Test/ Epistane Gyno

[jt3039]

I'm currently running 350 mg test prop (week 8 pinning daily) and 50 mg havoc epistane (week 4) and I started to develop swollen and puffy nipples which seem to be growing a small lump. From the start of the test, I've been on 6.25 mg aromasin ED. Last week after noticing higher estrogen sides such as more bloat, I've upped the aromasin to 12.5 mg ED which has seemed to dry me out and keep my e2 in check (at least that's what I initially thought). The only issue is my nipples are still puffy and seem to be growing slightly each day even with the 12.5 mg aromasin dosage. 3 days ago i upped my dose again to 25 mg aromasin daily along with starting 20 mg nolvadex and 150 mg p5p daily to make sure the gyno doesn't worsen and that my prolactin is in check too. I just did bloodwork this morning primarily focusing on my estradiol, prolactin, SHBG, and progesterone to find the root cause of the gyno development, however i do find this really strange considering epistane is supposed to be somewhat anti-estrogen, my test dose is relatively low for a cycle, I'm pinning daily, and I've been taking a relatively high dose of aromasin to combat any high e2 sides.

Obviously I'll have to wait and see the bloodwork results, but I'm pretty confused in the meantime and wondering if anyone else has any suggestions/ a similar experience?

Background info: Currently sitting at 8-10% bodyfat conservatively (probably single digits), I eat a very clean and balanced diet without hardly any estrogen promoting foods, i train 6-7 days per week along with 4-5 days of cardio

 

[stevesmi]

I've seen people on just 100 mg of testosterone develop estrogen issues everybody is going to be different

And these are people who were skinnier than you are so it doesn't necessarily mean a thing if you're skinny or not

 

[jt3039]

I've seen people on just 100 mg of testosterone develop estrogen issues everybody is going to be different

And these are people who were skinnier than you are so it doesn't necessarily mean a thing if you're skinny or not

Absolutely agree, I just included my body fat because it's known to affect aromatization

So far my progesterone has come back at .1 ng/mL (slightly below the normal range) and I'm still waiting on the others. I'd be surprised if my prolactin or estradiol are high. If they're in range what else could be the root cause of the puffy nips (hopefully just temporary on while on cycle) or the development gyno?

 

[Mobsterthemod]

You've adjusted the ai but not the test. Try lowering that

 

[CEO]

bros listen to yo body

 

[ROIDDERS]

Some people are going to have estrogen issues no matter what

 

[chesty]

stay away from steroids that cause problems

 

[Ulter]

i would be using masteron or proviron in every stack if you use test

 

[e2]

350 mg of test a week is a healthy amount so it's possible you're going to have estrogen issues no matter what you do

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

blood work is very important I'm very curious to see it

 

[wootoom]

bouncing your hormones is a trial and error thing you'll get the hang of it eventually

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

It's gotta be just your sensitivity to test aromatizing. Let's see when the estrogen numbers come back.

 

[jt3039]

You've adjusted the ai but not the test. Try lowering that

You've adjusted the ai but not the test. Try lowering that

If my estradiol comes back high I'm definitely going to lower it

 

[jt3039]

stay away from steroids that cause problems

Yep, this is my first and last run with epistane since it may be the issue

 

[DylanGemelli]

are you absolutely you have REAL epistane? epistane has pretty good anti estrogenic properties so this is quite strange

 

[jt3039]

are you absolutely you have REAL epistane? epistane has pretty good anti estrogenic properties so this is quite strange

I have RPN Havoc from predator. Unless I'm missing something, they're known to be a reliable source

 

[DylanGemelli]

I have RPN Havoc from predator. Unless I'm missing something, they're known to be a reliable source

I cannot comment on that but it just seems very odd to have this issue with what you are supposedly using

 

[ballin2504]

Is drop the test down

 

[RoySimpson]

Blood work will tell all.

 

[jt3039]

My estradiol sensitive came back on the lower end at 11 pg/mL and my prolactin also came back on the low-mid range at 13.1 by/mL. I’m assuming at this point I’m having the nip issues due to the epistane at this point. Some of you guys have recommended to lower the test, but based on my e2 levels is it safe to say my test/ ai dose is not an issue?