Honestly go with how u feel.. Everybody is different.. I know some people say 40,50, and 60 but when I start that high I get sides and that's just me.. Start at a low dose before u go up.. I do 10mg morning and night for about 2-3weeks then gradually move up to about 40mgs.. People think I'm bullshitting when I say I do that and they always say I'm lying but hey that's just me.. TRT 200mg Test cyp and 20-40mgs of Tbol for 6weeks is my cycle.. And make sure u take ur himalaya liver care!! Very important!! Just my .02 cents