trying to fix up a hormone in balance a little

[chrisB]

Hi every one . Im a first timer on the forum so please bare with me if anything come across unclear.

Im 26
Six feet tall
Aprox 220 pounds nd around 30 percent body fat at the moment .
iv been lifting on and off since I was 14 but pretty much constantly for the last 3 years.
My plan is a recomp .
Iv always had a slight estrogen issue but its kindof a love hate relationship lol..in the past it made very easy to bulk and used to give me a extremely full and smooth look to my muscles ...however...I always had slight gyno...no matter how big my chest got I always had an iddy biddy titty.
At the end of last year I was in the best shape of my life but then I messed up big time!

Basically I used test e 250mg a week and cut it out on the 5th week as I experienced almost instant and extreme suppresion also verry bad water retention. Added to this gigantic mess up on my part I ran no ai as I just dident know how to aquire any.
after I came off I felt drained ..and never realy regained the energy and vitality i had b4.

After being referred to a docter who had experience with bodybuilders using anabolics I had blood work done wich came back with my test in the low 200s and estrogen prolactin were incredibly high
I was given adex wich I took halfmg evry other day and prami every night.
even tho I have a little bounce back in my step my pumps never came back and my training never was the same again.im kind of losing my love of body building because of it even tho I try my hardest to rekindle my passion ,its hard when im pouring evry ounce of effort into it knowing its abit futile.

So for the new year my plan is a fresh start

I was thinking of taking a belated pct consisting of hcg and letro for two weeks along with caber...my plan is to then come off hcg and letro but keeping the caber and switching to exemestane for ai.

also im thinking of running cardarine and mk677 also maybe trowing in some arachadonic acid just to re stimulate some signaling to grow whilst on the mk677
In all this year has been incredibly draining as iv have many other personal issues . in the back of my mind sure this has not helped my get back into doing what I love.
im not entirely sure how I should dose the compounds iv chosen or wether ther may be a better way to even out my hormones .
iv chosen to stick with mild sarms and will never touch a steroid again..I have nothing againced roids but I never needed them to aquire neerly 20 inch arms 3 years ago and I the last thing I want to do is make the problem worse.

im not looking to put on huge gains in a short time just to tip the scale so I can start to grow again however slowly it happens dosent matter as long as im not training in complete futility and to no effect. The hard work is part of the fun for me but not when it seems like im just stressing my body out .

any input would be hugely appreciated
im huge fan and I know if there's someware I can get some solid advice on how to go forward its here.

 

[44YOGearHead]

You say you love this huh? Here's a little motivation for you... begin your journey by dropping the excuses first. At 26yo regardless of what you think is going on you're at the prime of your life, so man the fuck up and get that 30% jelly down to below 20% for starters and prove your love. Everybody claims to love something, rarely do they prove it. You love your mother right? You'd jump in front of a bullet for her I'm sure... so jump in front of some cardio and sound nutrition for yourself. Excuses about fitness are the dumbest fucking thing ever. Exercise can greatly reduce stress and help you cope with your issues, elevated body fat causes elevated estrogen issues, your gyno is from your being a fat ass. Nearly 20" three years ago? Are we one of those people? Well back in high school I played fullback AND middle linebacker... that has done absolutely jack shit for me as an adult. I had a chance to try out for the NFL Europe back in the 90's... yep zero done for me today by it. Nobody gives two shits about 3 years ago. Today you're 220 pounds and 66 pounds of that is a 4th grade childs bodyweight of jelly.
What are you gonna do about today? You want to stimulate growth while on MK 677? I'd recommend some SR9009, Cadarine a caloric deficit and a treadmill before you gain shit other than the motivation to trim the fuck up. This is your opportunity to make the right decision at age 26 on how 30, 35, 40 and everyday afterwards will be cuz right about now... your fucking excuses aren't doing shit but contributing to your demise.

If you needed someone to hold your hand and praise you... I'm not your dude. What you need is to wipe up your tears and man the fuck up. Your 26, not 6. 20" three years ago lol... get on a treadmill Honey Boo-Boo. The excuse dumpster is just ahead, I suggest you download all of yours before continuing 'what you love to do'.

I am a dick, but I'm a dick that wants you to be the best you possible rather than make excuses... luck is only 1% of this journey, the other 99% is effort and determination.

 

[AsapSlim]

You say you love this huh? Here's a little motivation for you... begin your journey by dropping the excuses first. At 26yo regardless of what you think is going on you're at the prime of your life, so man the fuck up and get that 30% jelly down to below 20% for starters and prove your love. Everybody claims to love something, rarely do they prove it. You love your mother right? You'd jump in front of a bullet for her I'm sure... so jump in front of some cardio and sound nutrition for yourself. Excuses about fitness are the dumbest fucking thing ever. Exercise can greatly reduce stress and help you cope with your issues, elevated body fat causes elevated estrogen issues, your gyno is from your being a fat ass. Nearly 20" three years ago? Are we one of those people? Well back in high school I played fullback AND middle linebacker... that has done absolutely jack shit for me as an adult. I had a chance to try out for the NFL Europe back in the 90's... yep zero done for me today by it. Nobody gives two shits about 3 years ago. Today you're 220 pounds and 66 pounds of that is a 4th grade childs bodyweight of jelly.
What are you gonna do about today? You want to stimulate growth while on MK 677? I'd recommend some SR9009, Cadarine a caloric deficit and a treadmill before you gain shit other than the motivation to trim the fuck up. This is your opportunity to make the right decision at age 26 on how 30, 35, 40 and everyday afterwards will be cuz right about now... your fucking excuses aren't doing shit but contributing to your demise.

If you needed someone to hold your hand and praise you... I'm not your dude. What you need is to wipe up your tears and man the fuck up. Your 26, not 6. 20" three years ago lol... get on a treadmill Honey Boo-Boo. The excuse dumpster is just ahead, I suggest you download all of yours before continuing 'what you love to do'.

I am a dick, but I'm a dick that wants you to be the best you possible rather than make excuses... luck is only 1% of this journey, the other 99% is effort and determination.

This all the way

 

[TOG565]

Holy Fuck 44 that was some motivating ass shit!!!!! I too had an opportunity at ball here in the US which means absolutely not a God damn thing now. Live in the moment or stop being a fake an accept your lazy fatness. This was so badass that I got back on the fuckin treadmill after already running today. I could almost hear my muscle tissue incinerating but my inner 4th grader doesnt wanna be fat.....lolololol

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[TOG565]

Hi every one . Im a first timer on the forum so please bare with me if anything come across unclear.

Im 26
Six feet tall
Aprox 220 pounds nd around 30 percent body fat at the moment .
iv been lifting on and off since I was 14 but pretty much constantly for the last 3 years.
My plan is a recomp .
Iv always had a slight estrogen issue but its kindof a love hate relationship lol..in the past it made very easy to bulk and used to give me a extremely full and smooth look to my muscles ...however...I always had slight gyno...no matter how big my chest got I always had an iddy biddy titty.
At the end of last year I was in the best shape of my life but then I messed up big time!

Basically I used test e 250mg a week and cut it out on the 5th week as I experienced almost instant and extreme suppresion also verry bad water retention. Added to this gigantic mess up on my part I ran no ai as I just dident know how to aquire any.
after I came off I felt drained ..and never realy regained the energy and vitality i had b4.

After being referred to a docter who had experience with bodybuilders using anabolics I had blood work done wich came back with my test in the low 200s and estrogen prolactin were incredibly high
I was given adex wich I took halfmg evry other day and prami every night.
even tho I have a little bounce back in my step my pumps never came back and my training never was the same again.im kind of losing my love of body building because of it even tho I try my hardest to rekindle my passion ,its hard when im pouring evry ounce of effort into it knowing its abit futile.

So for the new year my plan is a fresh start

I was thinking of taking a belated pct consisting of hcg and letro for two weeks along with caber...my plan is to then come off hcg and letro but keeping the caber and switching to exemestane for ai.

also im thinking of running cardarine and mk677 also maybe trowing in some arachadonic acid just to re stimulate some signaling to grow whilst on the mk677
In all this year has been incredibly draining as iv have many other personal issues . in the back of my mind sure this has not helped my get back into doing what I love.
im not entirely sure how I should dose the compounds iv chosen or wether ther may be a better way to even out my hormones .
iv chosen to stick with mild sarms and will never touch a steroid again..I have nothing againced roids but I never needed them to aquire neerly 20 inch arms 3 years ago and I the last thing I want to do is make the problem worse.

im not looking to put on huge gains in a short time just to tip the scale so I can start to grow again however slowly it happens dosent matter as long as im not training in complete futility and to no effect. The hard work is part of the fun for me but not when it seems like im just stressing my body out .

any input would be hugely appreciated
im huge fan and I know if there's someware I can get some solid advice on how to go forward its here.

Hey Chris and welcome! You will find answers here and some kick ass motivation also. These dudes will run through a brick wall for you here if you show them you are following advice and training. The absolute first thing I would do is flush the system, cardio the fuck out, and get a fresh true set of bloods and a reliable b/f count. You need your e in check but are crazy if you think you will feel ok on a below 200 test. Get off all of it and get and post those bloods first. Also, DRs arent very proactive in the TRT/HRT arena so you need to read up, listen up, and TELL them what needs to happen. 30% b/f by the way is way up there but you already know that. You are an estrogen converging machine. You shouldnt be touching shit (cept GW and SR) until that is wayyyyyyy down. Dont be thinkin GAINZ brother! Think Im gonna cardio ass myself down to 15 % b/f and lose some muscle along the way cause thats the road you have paved for yourself. After that, then start looking to add a lil spice.

You say you love this huh? Here's a little motivation for you... begin your journey by dropping the excuses first. At 26yo regardless of what you think is going on you're at the prime of your life, so man the fuck up and get that 30% jelly down to below 20% for starters and prove your love. Everybody claims to love something, rarely do they prove it. You love your mother right? You'd jump in front of a bullet for her I'm sure... so jump in front of some cardio and sound nutrition for yourself. Excuses about fitness are the dumbest fucking thing ever. Exercise can greatly reduce stress and help you cope with your issues, elevated body fat causes elevated estrogen issues, your gyno is from your being a fat ass. Nearly 20" three years ago? Are we one of those people? Well back in high school I played fullback AND middle linebacker... that has done absolutely jack shit for me as an adult. I had a chance to try out for the NFL Europe back in the 90's... yep zero done for me today by it. Nobody gives two shits about 3 years ago. Today you're 220 pounds and 66 pounds of that is a 4th grade childs bodyweight of jelly.
What are you gonna do about today? You want to stimulate growth while on MK 677? I'd recommend some SR9009, Cadarine a caloric deficit and a treadmill before you gain shit other than the motivation to trim the fuck up. This is your opportunity to make the right decision at age 26 on how 30, 35, 40 and everyday afterwards will be cuz right about now... your fucking excuses aren't doing shit but contributing to your demise.

If you needed someone to hold your hand and praise you... I'm not your dude. What you need is to wipe up your tears and man the fuck up. Your 26, not 6. 20" three years ago lol... get on a treadmill Honey Boo-Boo. The excuse dumpster is just ahead, I suggest you download all of yours before continuing 'what you love to do'.

I am a dick, but I'm a dick that wants you to be the best you possible rather than make excuses... luck is only 1% of this journey, the other 99% is effort and determination.

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[chrisB]

True that...admittedly for the last year iv worked out with no regement just on off crazily drawn out gym sesions with my mind on just getting it done rather then remastering the basics and earning my foundation back .lets face it ,consistent healthy habits and work ethic worked in the past so why shouldn't it work now. Im pretty sure its the yoyo gym and diet ethic thats done more damage than good..nd ur right I need to nip the down nd out attitude in the bud. Iv always had high estrogen however even at 12 percent..it just turned from a small fatty pocket to a lump when I was on. At this point without a plan of action im fucked. As for the extreme water retention , a gallon a day and herbal diuretic should get the ball rolling...no way this can all be fat ..im on two clean meals a day.needless to say I should creep that intake up or im just gonna work myself into a fucked up state with nothing to replenish. Iv noticed little and often is the key for me so im gonna work out in 2 45 minute sessions nd mix it up to get firing on all cylinders.
Thanks for the kick in the ass! As far as the prolactin tho...it was fine before the juice...I didn't think test did that.
u recon I should work in something to get it down? Prami is kinda adding to the shitty sluggish groggyness. Heard mk677 suppresses prolactin and cortisol? Might just give some b6 a go
is it worth doing pct this long after the matter?
Its kinda funny reading ur post as iv had exactly the same rant at peaple who clame they "cant lose weight " and "cant gain" I just needed to hear it myself.

 

[chrisB]

Just to clarify im not on trt or hrt..my natural test was fine before I touched gear. The gear was from a mate and I didnt know ware he got it from but it made the old boys shrink right up...from what iv been reading it sounds more like the kind if side effects ppl get from decca

 

[TOG565]

I wouldnt get to crazy with anything right now but consistent cardio and clean eating. I would dump every supplement I was taking, except the staples, and let your body get to a clean slate. I would then do bloods and post them so you have a baseline. Then I would attack it. I would also get a true b/f reading so you k ow exactly where u stand. Im hellish reactive to estrogen and can easily hold 10lbs plus of water weight of I dont keep it in check. You have to figureout baselines to get in check first. Id hit cardio and some lifting but I wouldnt be bulk/size training cause fat right now is killing you. The quicker you lose fat the faster you will see the muscle you already have and that may be enough motivation to get you consistent. You can do it! 2 years ago I was 41, had herniated disks, fractured foot, and a torn MCL. I dumped decades of training and hit depression with alcohol. I jacked up to 230 lbs at 5'8"!!!!!! I found this site late one night and never looked back. Now im 43 and back to being a dad and a husband. Im 205 now at 15% but try to cut it to 10-12 for summer. I no longer want single digits as I already know I dont have the motivation to live in that realm any more.....i know my baseline dedication level. I dont jack a ton of shit in my body because of that reason. I stick w the basics, SARMS, and blast/cruise with Test. U GOT THIS!!!!!

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[Taxed77]

44 and the guys are right, i understand you were giving a back round on yourself. You need to confront yourself presently, and the issues you created. 44 is giving you constructive criticism, take the advice, throw some coal in the freight train and run thru everyone in your path. Consult a nutritionist of you feel you can't form a solid diet. High bf will create high estrogen. Cardio, right vitamins and diet is what you need to focus on as a start. Like all of its know and live by, this is not a sprint is a turtle race. You have to be in it for the long haul. There is no shot cuts.

 

[chrisB]

Thanks for the info man..I really wanna get my natural test back to how it was b4 I fucked up. But sarms im very open to. My doctor said idealy my production would bounce back to 500ng after the Adex nd prammy...I enjoyed being natty and being more jacked then my roid head mates...

 

[chrisB]

Im getting bloods done tomorrow then seing my doctor on monday to get results .ill post em up

 

[Taxed77]

Thanks for the info man..I really wanna get my natural test back to how it was b4 I fucked up. But sarms im very open to. My doctor said idealy my production would bounce back to 500ng after the Adex nd prammy...I enjoyed being natty and being more jacked then my roid head mates...

Smart decisions will make the best results. Some of the senior members will join the thread. There is guys/ gals here that are insanely educated and will share information and experiences. We all as a family will teach and help you along the way. Be open minded and remember to stay positive no matter how hard ppl may be on you, they are just passionate about what it is we do

 

[TOG565]

Well put Taxed and thats exactly where you need to start Chris but, if you have been on ANYTHING (SARMS, Test, AI's,etc) tomorrows bloods are a waste of money. You need to dump everything and clean out your system. It may suck for a bit but its no worse than you are feeling now. You need baselines bud!!!!! Thats the only way to see what isnt working like it should and ways to work around/fix/adjust it. I jumped right in after a few years of being a fat piece of shit because I had spent the better of 2 decades training hard and quite a few cycles. I found myself cocktailing without the necessary motivation to lift or eat right to match it. I went back in on a sprint only to burn out quickly and stop again for a few months. Now, Im back on my marathon. I stopped TRT and any and all supplementation for 2 months. I drank nearly 2 gallons of water a day and ran EVERY SINGLE DAY! I hate running an will buy in to just about any supplement craze so I told myself if I could eat clean and run every day for 2 months without quick fix supplements then and only then did I have my mind right to get back to it. I did it. Mind you I did it with a torn MCL and a fracture to my 5th metatarsal. Its called a Jones Fracture and they are painful as fuck! I swore, cried, punched holes in my wall, and wished for death but I NEVER FUCKIN QUIT! Get that mindset, put all the spices back on the shelf, cardio till you wanna die, pound the water then go spend the money on the bloods. Just my 2 cents

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[44YOGearHead]

Here's a short list of my physical ailments:
Both knees- cartilage gone (I wear braces to not be in absolute pain 24/7) and yet fuck em, they don't limit me- they enhance me.
Four herniated and bulging disks two lower, two upper. Docs wanna cut me, but I suck it up. Permanent nerve damage and all. I refuse to lose gym time.
My upper spine rotates for some reason, whether it be from falling off a 100+ foot cliff and surviving, or going over the side of Mt. Rainier on my Hayabusa and having a tree stop my fall 100 feet down. It pays to be thick. Tree was dead and I broke it in half. Bike totaled, 44 alive.
Shot in the back of the neck... freak round path in and out in a area made up of 3". Bled like a bitch. Hurt like a bitch- hot lead is a motivator. Lost about 2 quarts of blood, but I calmed the panicky Corpsman and had him fix me up so I could push on.
Point is you determine your limits. Resolve to be your best version of you whatever that is bro. I'm old, busted up and if i quit training I'd be dad body like a sommabitch a few years from now I'm sure... but fuck that I have 33 years of lifting under my belt, the mindset of a psychopath and refuse to lose. Nobody can get your shit together for you. Man up or wrap up... in your mangina lips if that's what you think of yourself, but I'm willing to bet you aren't that type of dude. Welcome back to awesomeness mother fucker.

 

[TOG565]

Here's a short list of my physical ailments:
Both knees- cartilage gone (I wear braces to not be in absolute pain 24/7) and yet fuck em, they don't limit me- they enhance me.
Four herniated and bulging disks two lower, two upper. Docs wanna cut me, but I suck it up. Permanent nerve damage and all. I refuse to lose gym time.
My upper spine rotates for some reason, whether it be from falling off a 100+ foot cliff and surviving, or going over the side of Mt. Rainier on my Hayabusa and having a tree stop my fall 100 feet down. It pays to be thick. Tree was dead and I broke it in half. Bike totaled, 44 alive.
Shot in the back of the neck... freak round path in and out in a area made up of 3". Bled like a bitch. Hurt like a bitch- hot lead is a motivator. Lost about 2 quarts of blood, but I calmed the panicky Corpsman and had him fix me up so I could push on.
Point is you determine your limits. Resolve to be your best version of you whatever that is bro. I'm old, busted up and if i quit training I'd be dad body like a sommabitch a few years from now I'm sure... but fuck that I have 33 years of lifting under my belt, the mindset of a psychopath and refuse to lose. Nobody can get your shit together for you. Man up or wrap up... in your mangina lips if that's what you think of yourself, but I'm willing to bet you aren't that type of dude. Welcome back to awesomeness mother fucker.

Ahhhhhhhh FUCK 44......stop with the motivational posts Ill never get outta the fuckin gym today!!!!!!! Man this is some epic shit! Former Jarhead here with the same shit luck. I like the pain. I eat the pain. I use to train pain free but now know thats for fuckin pussies!!!!!! 43 here and the dad bod can go fuck itself. I train harder now than in my 20's. All I got is insane. Nice to know im in good company!!!!

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[44YOGearHead]

Ahhhhhhhh FUCK 44......stop with the motivational posts Ill never get outta the fuckin gym today!!!!!!! Man this is some epic shit! Former Jarhead here with the same shit luck. I like the pain. I eat the pain. I use to train pain free but now know thats for fuckin pussies!!!!!! 43 here and the dad bod can go fuck itself. I train harder now than in my 20's. All I got is insane. Nice to know im in good company!!!!

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Semper Fi... you can't stop what can't be killed.

 

[TOG565]

Semper Fi... you can't stop what can't be killed.

Semper Fi Brother!!!!! Be wary of the motherfucker you cant kill cause he wont give 2 fucks!!!!

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[TOG565]

Hey ChrisB the other thing I did to get back on track was scrap the gym and get a half rack, dumbells, and frees. Ive always had an issue writing my own programs and have always needed it done for me. My wife bought me BodyBeast and I have used it/version of it ever since. Due to my fucked body I cant do some compounds and this routine got me rollin. Just a thought

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[chrisB]

Fuck yeah !

 

[chrisB]

I just put all my supps back in the cupboard and ditched my last two prami in the bin! The only reason I did the test is because it was gonna go out of date lol. nd it was only one five week course like 11 months ago...iv just let the consequences linger rather than being the fucking beast I am and starting from the bottom again . One awsome thing is that i still have streangth so Im about to ramp up the endendurance and stamina!