To PCT or Cruise...

[flynhawaiianz28]

Hey fellow iS members! First post on the forum since the change over but keep up the great work! So I am nearing the end of my 12 week test cyp cycle unfortunately. It has been one hell of a ride and I have far surpassed my goals. This past summer I cut from 190 to 170 and this winter I decided I would take the plunge (no pun intended) and do my first real cycle and see how it would go. I've been running test cyp at 500mg week and doing a Tuesday/Friday pin schedule. I have went from 170 to 195 and im trying to push for 200 or just over by the end of next week or so but I'm afraid I may have plateaued for now. My last pin will be Friday (3/6) next week and I wanted your guys' opinions on whether I should just cruise or to actually PCT. I do have another cycle planned for this summer around July-August. Now I may be beating a dead horse on this topic but im unsure of what to do. On one hand I love the idea of blasting and cruising and not having to deal with the physical and mental drawbacks of the pct (especially with clomid), being able to keep as much gains as possible, and I like the sense of well being I have, and being able to keep my body at a consistent balance instead of introducing more drugs to get my body back to a natty state just to take it back out of that state months down the road again on another cycle. On the other hand since it was my first cycle I'm not sure if it's a good idea to cruise? I am only 28 and I know it can affect the reproduction system but the wife has no kids in mind any time soon at allllll so I'm not worried about that. I was really leaning more towards dropping the dose down to 200mg/wk and just cruise at that till the next cycle but if anyone has better advice or experience and thinks I should PCT please say so! Any and all kind words would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey fellow iS members! First post on the forum since the change over but keep up the great work! So I am nearing the end of my 12 week test cyp cycle unfortunately. It has been one hell of a ride and I have far surpassed my goals. This past summer I cut from 190 to 170 and this winter I decided I would take the plunge (no pun intended) and do my first real cycle and see how it would go. I've been running test cyp at 500mg week and doing a Tuesday/Friday pin schedule. I have went from 170 to 195 and im trying to push for 200 or just over by the end of next week or so but I'm afraid I may have plateaued for now. My last pin will be Friday (3/6) next week and I wanted your guys' opinions on whether I should just cruise or to actually PCT. I do have another cycle planned for this summer around July-August. Now I may be beating a dead horse on this topic but im unsure of what to do. On one hand I love the idea of blasting and cruising and not having to deal with the physical and mental drawbacks of the pct (especially with clomid), being able to keep as much gains as possible, and I like the sense of well being I have, and being able to keep my body at a consistent balance instead of introducing more drugs to get my body back to a natty state just to take it back out of that state months down the road again on another cycle. On the other hand since it was my first cycle I'm not sure if it's a good idea to cruise? I am only 28 and I know it can affect the reproduction system but the wife has no kids in mind any time soon at allllll so I'm not worried about that. I was really leaning more towards dropping the dose down to 200mg/wk and just cruise at that till the next cycle but if anyone has better advice or experience and thinks I should PCT please say so! Any and all kind words would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

congratulations on a successful cycle... however, that could be short lived if you start making ridiculous and reckless decisions as it seems you are... you don't just start doing TRT because you dont want to come off cycle... you have not plateaued a thing... i mean bro, what exactly do you expect from a test only cycle? you crushed it on size to the extent most would never come close to seeing... now your getting greedy and let me tell you, being greedy, that will get you hurt, set back and you wont be making any types of gains anymore, trust me... you'll really see what a plateau is like... what are your current stats? age/height/weight/body fat?

 

[vinni]

Bro, your 28 and finished one cycle. Don't even think about a cruise. Run a fun PCT and plan your next cycle.
And don't stop smashing weights in the gym. You'll keep plenty of gains just by pushing hard thru PCT.
Good luck and welcome to IS

 

[TexasTrash]

Aside from all the things that can happen to you physically I would also strongly encourage you to consider the psychological apsect. This is your first cycle and you need to remain disciplined and in control. If you do this you will be able to use AAS as a tool to accomplish your goals in the future. If you "give in", then its the AAS that control you, in a sense. Become dependent this soon and things are likely to go bad. Like I said, AAS are tools. I dont know about you, but Id rather have a tool in my bodybuilding tool chest that I can use, when needed, to help me attain goals instead of something that I NEEDED just to feel normal So, yes PCT has mental drawbacks but they are temporary and pale in comparison to the mental drawbacks of the psychological addiction. Some may not agree with me here but we are all entitled to our own perspectives.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Definitely take the advice. This is your first cycle. You're young and if you're producing test naturally then there is no reason to cruise. PCT isn't actually bad at all. I always feel pretty solid, just have to stick to your nutrition and training. I truly think a large part of it is your mental approach. Many people come to the end of their cycle and think "oh I feel great, this is going to suck coming off..." but thats not the case. Yes, you may have a couple down days but it's really no big deal. Hell, with the advances in SARMs you can feel awesome during pct, still kill each training session, and then bridge without feeling like you're ever off. Don't blast and cruise unless you need trt. Just cycle and use SARMs to take advantage of your time.

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[RickRock]

You are already considering cruising after your first cycle? That's a very poor decision in my opinion. If you can make healthy natural testosterone on your own then that's what you need to do. You are very young, and I hate to see you contemplating decisions like this especially after doing just one cycle. Just do pct and come off like you should be brother. Don't consider cruising unless you can't sustain healthy test levels.

You can always run sarms in between your cycles which makes it a pretty fun time for gains. Much better than cruising or TRT

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[9th Wonder]

I agree OP.. Going TRT is a big decision, and your current reasoning just doesn't make sense. You're young and still have plenty you can accomplish. Run your PCT and keep up the great work. Run some SARMS between your cycles and you'll feel great and continue to grow. Don't make any rash decisions.

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

I appreciate all the input guys. My original plan was to PCT and should have stuck with that and I'm going to do just that. You guys are totally right and I'm much better off to cycle off and get back to a normal state and just keep training and dieting till my next one this summer/fall. I figured I might be out of my league on thinking about the B&C but I wanted to make sure. Saw some recommendations about sarms and that is an area that I have not done much research on but have heard about. So after my PCT can someone recommend a good sarms cycle for a beginner without getting too far off topic of the thread or if someone has a link they can drop that would be greatly appreciated too!

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Trust me brother. A sarms bridge in between will have you feeling great. You can set it up multiple ways depending on what you want to accomplish during each particular bridge. The best place to start is researching each of the Sarms, what they excel in, and how they apply to your goals. The cool thing about it is how versitile they can be. Dylan has put out some awesome informative videos and articles on them that you should check out. Let us know your goals so we can help out.

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[bcoops]

Definitely go the sarms route. I just did my first test cyp cycle as well started 178 ended 195...6 weeks into the sarmsx ultra super stack currently 207 last time I stepped on the scale and I'm getting in better shape yet! You'll love it, I feel just as good maybe even better than I did on cycle... currently running mk2866, mk677, lgd, s4, s9009, gw

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

Yeah I never even thought of going the sarms route as a viable option/bridge. Exactly why I made my post cause it wasn't something I had thought of and idk why. A sarms stack is exactly what im looking for. Im thinking about doing a triple or quadruple stack that would contain LGD-4033, S4, and GW510516. If it is a quad I will throw in MK2866. Sounds like one of those stacks would be right up my alley for! I'm not exactly tight on cash but I haven't came to terms with dropping $400-$500 on a sarms stack either. If anyone has any sort of promo code for pure essence sarms or sarms x please let me know. Wouldn't be starting this till about mid April but I like to have all my supplies ahead of time and everything laid out. So from what I gather though, I can bridge with a sarms stack and be feeing just as good, if not better and continue to gain compared to my test cyp cycle?

 

[RickRock]

Yeah I never even thought of going the sarms route as a viable option/bridge. Exactly why I made my post cause it wasn't something I had thought of and idk why. A sarms stack is exactly what im looking for. Im thinking about doing a triple or quadruple stack that would contain LGD-4033, S4, and GW510516. If it is a quad I will throw in MK2866. Sounds like one of those stacks would be right up my alley for! I'm not exactly tight on cash but I haven't came to terms with dropping $400-$500 on a sarms stack either. If anyone has any sort of promo code for pure essence sarms or sarms x please let me know. Wouldn't be starting this till about mid April but I like to have all my supplies ahead of time and everything laid out. So from what I gather though, I can bridge with a sarms stack and be feeing just as good, if not better and continue to gain compared to my test cyp cycle?

Here is the stack you are looking for brother. All setup in one stack at the link below

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/super-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day



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[Iwannagofaster]

Yeah man. You are too young to stay on endlessly. Cycle proper and you will see the gains you want without becoming completely reliant on it. SARMS are great for a bridge. They are safer with little to no rebound. We get addicted to this stuff. It's mental. So what if you lose a little of the gains. You should go into every cycle knowing that or you are setting yourself up to be let down. Losing it sucks but for me, the pathway to getting it back is more enjoyable than the pressure of always trying to keep it.

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[flynhawaiianz28]

Thanks for the advice rickrock and the cycle setup! It's nice seeing a fellow brother from the other forums I've been on in the past! Yeah my original plan was to just cycle and do the standard pct route like normal since this was my first one. I got a little greedy and stuck on the feeling after this first one and it just had me thinking. I will definitely cycle off and keep that mentality through pct and the sarms stack and then continue to kill it into my next cycle. I hate to be jumping all over the place on this thread but would others agree with me that another test cycle at 500mg/wk would be a solid second cycle to go into right after the sarms?

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for the advice rickrock and the cycle setup! It's nice seeing a fellow brother from the other forums I've been on in the past! Yeah my original plan was to just cycle and do the standard pct route like normal since this was my first one. I got a little greedy and stuck on the feeling after this first one and it just had me thinking. I will definitely cycle off and keep that mentality through pct and the sarms stack and then continue to kill it into my next cycle. I hate to be jumping all over the place on this thread but would others agree with me that another test cycle at 500mg/wk would be a solid second cycle to go into right after the sarms?

That's not a bad plan for a second cycle, or you could try adding in a second compound like EQ to it as well

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[flynhawaiianz28]

That's not a bad plan for a second cycle, or you could try adding in a second compound like EQ to it as well

Yeah I didn't think about EQ. What would the protocol look like for EQ? Im not real familiar with that compound but for myself I am trying to stick to compounds that don't aromatize or one that's have very low aromatization. If I remember right EQ has a slight risk of that but not always. I would be all for running a second compound with test but like I said I'm not familiar with EQ yet.

 

[bcoops]

That's not a bad plan for a second cycle, or you could try adding in a second compound like EQ to it as well

Yeah I didn't think about EQ. What would the protocol look like for EQ? Im not real familiar with that compound but for myself I am trying to stick to compounds that don't aromatize or one that's have very low aromatization. If I remember right EQ has a slight risk of that but not always. I would be all for running a second compound with test but like I said I'm not familiar with EQ yet.

Dylan has a video on it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF0w0Nk9vY8 just make sure you have protection on hand and if you run into any trouble there's more than enough knowledgeable people on here to steer you in the right direction.

And it's more than possible to continue making gains on a sarms bridge. Pre-bridge my arms were measuring 17 1/4" and now they are just over 17 1/2"...pretty incredible. Has me thinking about possibly just doing one aas cycle a year and 2 sarm cycles. I'm going to go for that superman cycle right after I'm done this one. The gains don't come on as fast as when I did my aas cycle...where as I felt myself change drastically in a couple weeks...the gains are coming on a little bit slower but still nothing to laugh at...I also feel much healthier on a sarms cycle than I did on test. My blood pressure is in a much more favorable spot, lol.

 

[RickRock]

That's not a bad plan for a second cycle, or you could try adding in a second compound like EQ to it as well

Yeah I didn't think about EQ. What would the protocol look like for EQ? Im not real familiar with that compound but for myself I am trying to stick to compounds that don't aromatize or one that's have very low aromatization. If I remember right EQ has a slight risk of that but not always. I would be all for running a second compound with test but like I said I'm not familiar with EQ yet.

EQ is a very dry compound that does not aromatize, so no worries there. It's also very mild with no real side effects. It's best ran about 16 weeks at 600-800mg per week

It gives very dry lean consistent gains, and it's just a great overall compound to compliment test


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[flynhawaiianz28]

Thanks RickRock! I will take a look into test and see about working that into my summer cycle. I've had problems with gyno in the past when I ran prohormones when I was younger and didn't have the knowledge and sources I have now so I lived and learned there. Hence why i try to stick with the "dryer" compounds over trying others like adrol, dbol, etc. Im more than happy with my test gains and the aromasin from pure essence has kept the estrogen at bay.

@bcoops sounds like u are making some solid gains and the Sarms are treating you right! Makes me anxious to try my first Sarms cycle. Did you keep most of your gains if not all of them during the pct after the test cycle? And are u running aromasin during your Sarms cycle or no? I always have aromasin on hand and I don't even want to chance the gyno coming back. I've been running my aromasin at 12.5mg ED on my test cycle because I know how sensitive my body can be. I don't like running it ED but I know the consequences if I don't lol