Thoughts on Bill Robert's 2 weeks on/ 4 weeks off cycle

[jlaix0]

Hi Dylan, what's your thought on Bill Robert's 2 weeks on/4 weeks off cycle ? Have you tried it for yourself ?

Maybe it is completly stupid, but here are his ideas:

-Where AAS doses are sufficient for good gains, an interesting pattern is seen. For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even more so than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. After this point, there seems to be no definite further “switching point” where inhibition again becomes deeper and harder to reverse.

-The whole idea of 2 weekers is to get "some" gains and little to no sides and no lasting suppression of the HPTA axis. It is NOT going to be the best way to go if you are a serious competitive bodybuilder even if you do repeating 2 week "on" 4 week "off" cycles.

-In a two weeker you want to hit it fast and very hard and with decent doses of powerful gear. The you want the roids to clear fast. The idea is to get androgen levels up immediately and then have them leave as fast as possible.

-Don't use long acting esters of test...or you'll be "on" for way longer then two weeks simply due to their half lives

-T is fully back during the third week

- The two-week cycles do give really fast recovery. It's not that there is no HPTA shutdown, as there is during the two weeks, but the pituitary is immediately ready to respond to LHRH instead of so to speak having to be awakened from sleep (in more precise speaking, having greatly lowered LHRH responsiveness), and the testes are also immediately ready to respond to LH.


If Dylan, you agree on his ideas, do you think a cycle like that would be ok ?


1-2 Superdrol 30 mg day
1-2 rad140 30 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m
1-2 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-2 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours dose apart
1-2 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-2 Cycle Support

3 weeks PCT
Clomid 40
Nolva 20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
gw-501516 20 mg day

4-5-6 Break

7 weeks: Repeat cycle

 

[44YOGearHead]

I'm gonna look into this, but I have to admit it sounds absurd. The mere fact it negates testosterone in itself is stupid. You do realize there is no ester testosterone that can essentially clear out in roughly 24 hours don't you? The only benefit I can see you'll get outta this is from the SARMs. If you take any AAS for any duration there will be some effect, but to think you can alter your bodily function for any period of time, yet alone two weeks suppressing your natural test production and recover immediately sounds unlikely.

 

[RickRock]

Hi Dylan, what's your thought on Bill Robert's 2 weeks on/4 weeks off cycle ? Have you tried it for yourself ?

Maybe it is completly stupid, but here are his ideas:

-Where AAS doses are sufficient for good gains, an interesting pattern is seen. For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even more so than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. After this point, there seems to be no definite further “switching point” where inhibition again becomes deeper and harder to reverse.

-The whole idea of 2 weekers is to get "some" gains and little to no sides and no lasting suppression of the HPTA axis. It is NOT going to be the best way to go if you are a serious competitive bodybuilder even if you do repeating 2 week "on" 4 week "off" cycles.

-In a two weeker you want to hit it fast and very hard and with decent doses of powerful gear. The you want the roids to clear fast. The idea is to get androgen levels up immediately and then have them leave as fast as possible.

-Don't use long acting esters of test...or you'll be "on" for way longer then two weeks simply due to their half lives

-T is fully back during the third week

- The two-week cycles do give really fast recovery. It's not that there is no HPTA shutdown, as there is during the two weeks, but the pituitary is immediately ready to respond to LHRH instead of so to speak having to be awakened from sleep (in more precise speaking, having greatly lowered LHRH responsiveness), and the testes are also immediately ready to respond to LH.


If Dylan, you agree on his ideas, do you think a cycle like that would be ok ?


1-2 Superdrol 30 mg day
1-2 rad140 30 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m
1-2 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-2 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours dose apart
1-2 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-2 Cycle Support

3 weeks PCT
Clomid 40
Nolva 20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
gw-501516 20 mg day

4-5-6 Break

7 weeks: Repeat cycle

This has to be one of the most ridiculous concepts and cycling strategies I've ever heard. You won't get a damn thing by cycling like that. You need to run a cycle the right length and correctly, or not at all in my opinion

 

[44YOGearHead]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous concepts and cycling strategies I've ever heard. You won't get a damn thing by cycling like that. You need to run a cycle the right length and correctly, or not at all in my opinion

Seems like in theory it would serve as a pulse anabolism state where you supposedly place yourself in periods of 'growth spurts' like in our youth, but the entire layout is dumb and the use of compounds that would simply elevate long enough to create this minuscule pulse and then be abruptly ceased would throw the entire body out of whack. IMO there would be possibly minimal gains made simply because you introduced outside compounds to the body, much as you would get ill from touching a door knob sneezed on by a child stricken with the flu virus... simply a residual effect ONLY if you managed to catch that small window of time when the virus (compounds) were still active/alive. If this has any value whatsoever it's only in theory. I can only imagine this being worth anything, but definitely at a lost effect with say HGH. You'd feel well, but your benefit would be lessened. Hell someones gotta be a guinea pig right?

 

[jlaix0]

Seems like in theory it would serve as a pulse anabolism state where you supposedly place yourself in periods of 'growth spurts' like in our youth, but the entire layout is dumb and the use of compounds that would simply elevate long enough to create this minuscule pulse and then be abruptly ceased would throw the entire body out of whack. IMO there would be possibly minimal gains made simply because you introduced outside compounds to the body, much as you would get ill from touching a door knob sneezed on by a child stricken with the flu virus... simply a residual effect ONLY if you managed to catch that small window of time when the virus (compounds) were still active/alive. If this has any value whatsoever it's only in theory. I can only imagine this being worth anything, but definitely at a lost effect with say HGH. You'd feel well, but your benefit would be lessened. Hell someones gotta be a guinea pig right?

Very good point. The thing that made me think it was possible are super fast acting compounds, people training hard report to gain 10 pounds on only 2 weeks of use of superdrol, so this method MIGHT have some effects, like you said. But maybe some members of this forum had already used this method, anyone ?

 

[44YOGearHead]

Very good point. The thing that made me think it was possible are super fast acting compounds, people training hard report to gain 10 pounds on only 2 weeks of use of superdrol, so this method MIGHT have some effects, like you said. But maybe some members of this forum had already used this method, anyone ?

Ten pounds in two weeks from harsh compounds and zero test equate to water weight gain and bloat; diet issues IMO. Like I said in theory there might be something IF run with particular compounds in theory bro. Say for instance if you essentially pulsed large amounts of no ester test and took an AI for 2 weeks, there will be results, there will be need for a PCT as well. You will grow, but long term... you're still gonna get the short end of the stick health-wise IMO. People will report gains, people will praise anything that gets something and maybe this has a place and time for an intended purpose somewhere, I just cant see where myself bro.
Tried and true is always the best route to go, we learn through experiences good and bad... you shouldn't dive into the deep end of a empty pool just because there's a diving board there.

 

[RickRock]

You have to take into consideration myostatin as well. This Rollercoaster of highs and lows will constantly bring up those levels that kills gains as well, so I think it's a very poor strategy. The idea of cycling should be to go in and get wgat gains you can from it until things stall out, then get off the cycle with enough adequate time to bring the body to homeostasis

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[BraedenB]

To me, this idea seems like a lot of work, for what, minimal gains? An attempt to maybe keep yourself from shutting down? A full pct and a responsible cycle will give you great gains and a great recovery. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi Dylan, what's your thought on Bill Robert's 2 weeks on/4 weeks off cycle ? Have you tried it for yourself ?

Maybe it is completly stupid, but here are his ideas:

-Where AAS doses are sufficient for good gains, an interesting pattern is seen. For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even more so than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. After this point, there seems to be no definite further “switching point” where inhibition again becomes deeper and harder to reverse.

-The whole idea of 2 weekers is to get "some" gains and little to no sides and no lasting suppression of the HPTA axis. It is NOT going to be the best way to go if you are a serious competitive bodybuilder even if you do repeating 2 week "on" 4 week "off" cycles.

-In a two weeker you want to hit it fast and very hard and with decent doses of powerful gear. The you want the roids to clear fast. The idea is to get androgen levels up immediately and then have them leave as fast as possible.

-Don't use long acting esters of test...or you'll be "on" for way longer then two weeks simply due to their half lives

-T is fully back during the third week

- The two-week cycles do give really fast recovery. It's not that there is no HPTA shutdown, as there is during the two weeks, but the pituitary is immediately ready to respond to LHRH instead of so to speak having to be awakened from sleep (in more precise speaking, having greatly lowered LHRH responsiveness), and the testes are also immediately ready to respond to LH.


If Dylan, you agree on his ideas, do you think a cycle like that would be ok ?


1-2 Superdrol 30 mg day
1-2 rad140 30 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m
1-2 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-2 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours dose apart
1-2 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-2 Cycle Support

3 weeks PCT
Clomid 40
Nolva 20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
gw-501516 20 mg day

4-5-6 Break

7 weeks: Repeat cycle

i would pretty much have to disagree with every last thing said... top to bottom... its not even kind of absurd... newbies know more than this... and many are starting fresh and don't know much of anything in regards to this and they would even know more... i just cant believe the shit i read

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi Dylan, what's your thought on Bill Robert's 2 weeks on/4 weeks off cycle ? Have you tried it for yourself ?

Maybe it is completly stupid, but here are his ideas:

-Where AAS doses are sufficient for good gains, an interesting pattern is seen. For the first two weeks of the cycle, only the hypothalamus is inhibited, and it produces much less LHRH as a result of the high levels of sex hormones it senses. The pituitary is not inhibited at all: in fact, it is actually sensitized, and will respond to LHRH (if any is provided) even more so than normally. After two weeks however, the pituitary also becomes inhibited, and even if LHRH is provided, the pituitary will produce little or no LH. This then is a deeper type of inhibition. After this point, there seems to be no definite further “switching point” where inhibition again becomes deeper and harder to reverse.

-The whole idea of 2 weekers is to get "some" gains and little to no sides and no lasting suppression of the HPTA axis. It is NOT going to be the best way to go if you are a serious competitive bodybuilder even if you do repeating 2 week "on" 4 week "off" cycles.

-In a two weeker you want to hit it fast and very hard and with decent doses of powerful gear. The you want the roids to clear fast. The idea is to get androgen levels up immediately and then have them leave as fast as possible.

-Don't use long acting esters of test...or you'll be "on" for way longer then two weeks simply due to their half lives

-T is fully back during the third week

- The two-week cycles do give really fast recovery. It's not that there is no HPTA shutdown, as there is during the two weeks, but the pituitary is immediately ready to respond to LHRH instead of so to speak having to be awakened from sleep (in more precise speaking, having greatly lowered LHRH responsiveness), and the testes are also immediately ready to respond to LH.


If Dylan, you agree on his ideas, do you think a cycle like that would be ok ?


1-2 Superdrol 30 mg day
1-2 rad140 30 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m
1-2 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-2 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours dose apart
1-2 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-2 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-2 Cycle Support

3 weeks PCT
Clomid 40
Nolva 20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
gw-501516 20 mg day

4-5-6 Break

7 weeks: Repeat cycle

if i was paid to justify this i would have to run down the money because of how wrong it is and i would never want to pass this type of shit along to anyone, even an enemy because its just flat out wrong...

 

[JackSteel]

No one gains in 2 weeks on anything. If you do its water.


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[chelades]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous concepts and cycling strategies I've ever heard. You won't get a damn thing by cycling like that. You need to run a cycle the right length and correctly, or not at all in my opinion

This pretty much says it all. Most of that jargon goes against the very basic fundamental laws of science, let alone anabolics and endocrinology.

I just did a quick search on this guy and he has the hide to tout off all his bullshit credentials with nonsense like this. And also came across him recommending Tren 350mg for a first cycle 'with nothing but a bit of sleep loss'.

How are these guys not behind bars? Giving such foolish information as gospel can literally cost lives.

 

[44YOGearHead]

per another site:
'About Bill Roberts

Bill Roberts is an internationally-recognized expert on anabolic steroids and performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). He received a bachelor degree in Microbiology and Cell Science and completed the educational and research requirements for a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry at a major American university.

Bill entered the nutritional supplement industry prior to completing his doctoral thesis but his education was invaluable so far as being able to design/improve nutritional supplement compounds, since it was in the field of designing drug molecules and secondarily some work in transdermal delivery.

His education was not specifically "geared" toward anabolic steroids other than expertise with pharmacological principles having broad applications. This has allowed Bill to provide unique insight into the field of anabolic pharmacology with knowledge of points which he would not have known otherwise.'

Okay so he is a chemist, which regardless of what anyone may think is not a license to be an expert on anything regarding the actual function of AAS within the human body, or it's role in enhancement. I saw a pic of the dude too, nothing impressive to indicate he's a guru of much. As I said in theory anything can have some value IN THEORY, but the practical application of it may be a confirmation of it's invalidity. Drop this idea quickly, or share it with people you despise only. Often when ppl are given this moniker of expert they get beside themselves and spout off garbage simply for the sake of sounding revolutionary.

 

[RickRock]

This pretty much says it all. Most of that jargon goes against the very basic fundamental laws of science, let alone anabolics and endocrinology.

I just did a quick search on this guy and he has the hide to tout off all his bullshit credentials with nonsense like this. And also came across him recommending Tren 350mg for a first cycle 'with nothing but a bit of sleep loss'.

How are these guys not behind bars? Giving such foolish information as gospel can literally cost lives.

Guys giving advice to run Tren on a first cycle have no business giving advice in the first place

 

[jlaix0]

This pretty much says it all. Most of that jargon goes against the very basic fundamental laws of science, let alone anabolics and endocrinology.

I just did a quick search on this guy and he has the hide to tout off all his bullshit credentials with nonsense like this. And also came across him recommending Tren 350mg for a first cycle 'with nothing but a bit of sleep loss'.

How are these guys not behind bars? Giving such foolish information as gospel can literally cost lives.

In "the same family", there's also a guy named William Llewellyn, and in his book Anabolics,claims that according to Merck, the sweet spot for MK677 is 100mg a day, where GH levels were measured to be approximately 325% higher than with 25mg.

Very good bullshit too, as we know the best dose is around 25mg a day.

The bad thing is that all these so called anabolic scientists are using their notoriety to mislead people for buzz or marketing reasons.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

This pretty much says it all. Most of that jargon goes against the very basic fundamental laws of science, let alone anabolics and endocrinology.

I just did a quick search on this guy and he has the hide to tout off all his bullshit credentials with nonsense like this. And also came across him recommending Tren 350mg for a first cycle 'with nothing but a bit of sleep loss'.

How are these guys not behind bars? Giving such foolish information as gospel can literally cost lives.

Ya anyone saying tren for a first cycle shouldn't be giving advice to anyone. Unfortunately you know there will always be people who follow what they say and get hurt..

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