So your opinion is cardarine causes cancer ?
The old GW - 501516 causes cancer myth debunked. Does this link debunk this myth for
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So your opinion is cardarine causes cancer ?
JackSteel
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Because they bought into the rumor just like everyone else and it supports their agenda to keep people from using it. There is no evidence that it causes cancer other than one highly flawed study so I wouldn't worry.
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exactly... there's a study for a study for study... we dont know who the fuck is running them or who is in charge of the control group etc.. you can skew these ANY WAY YOU WANT TO... that's why you can't trust half of them and actually knowing which is real or not is fucking near impossible.. so first hand user experience as opposed to an artificial fucking test goes much further with me...
he pointed out an article about tren and prolactin LMFAO... where in fucks sake are you interpreting he said one thing about GW causing cancer... ? Did it occur he was possibly referencing the ridiculous cancer study article that was flawed from top to bottom??
They banned it because of the massive advantage it gives an athlete in performance... If there is a study put out that links anything to cancer, of course they have to put a warning about it, regardless if its flawed or not. they can make things sound far worse than they are to deter athletes from even considering what they would call cheating by using it... it could be a million things on the other end... its all speculative which is pointless discussion...
You understand my concern man. If the drug was a money maker why did the company dump it? Why did the company drop clinical studies just because of a flawed study? The questions are there? And research on the matter is super limited. The drugs only been used for less than 10 years. I am raising fair concern here
So I'm going to chime in as this correlates very closely to what I do for a living. Studies are always going to have a skew to one degree or another due to who they are generally funded by (the company developing/promoting). An example is a study I recently read involving a medical device already on the market. The study wasn't as favorable as the company would have liked so they changed the measurement units when released to look more favorable. Keep in mind, for every drug that makes it to market, 20+ have died in the lab. The formula is simple: Potential profit > or < Cost to Develop + Cost to Market + Potential Liability/Litigation. Learn to read between the lines as much a spossible and make an informed decision.
rockmfhudd
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I do agree you have fair concern as we all do when putting stuff in our bodies. but it is so hard to say like gonzo said who is funding the study which we would never ever know more than likely is going to be the deciding factor of the study. here is my conspiracy theory if big pharma and the govt want to stop something or make something hard to get blah blah blah they can or will because they lose money if there is a "sense of well being" with a certain chemical supplement sarm etc. because they lose money on Zoloft which case in point after taking sarms my wife came off of Zoloft because she felt great without it she was on it for 25 years, so big pharma and docs lose money by her not getting a doctors apt for depression, big pharma loses because they aren't filling her script I know that is not a very good analogy but it is my story. and something to think about
Since the work of the 16th Century physician Parcelsus we have known that while all substances can be poisons, it’s the dose makes the poison. This is an important concept when discussing the critical nature of the dose to which humans are exposed. Without understanding this key idea, we would essentially have to stop eating, drinking and breathing, as we are exposed to extremely low levels of genotoxic chemicals every day. This includes natural substances that humans have been exposed to since our species first existed.
Basically roll the dice .
Basically roll the dice .
rockmfhudd
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agreed all medicines are poisons, it is the dose that can kill you lol
JackSteel
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Where most people take 3+ drugs for various issues, GW could make eliminating several of those and perhaps get them off completely in a best case scenario. So it would be hurting profits in the long run.
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JackSteel
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Statins alone pull about 20+ billion a year. GW could potentially eliminate those and diabetes meds and any other meds associated with conditions brought on by being overweight.
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then my recommendation would be to not use it man... just skip over it... im not getting into why things are done based on money, conspiracy etc because we will be typing back and forth for a year on it... if you have worked in pharmaceuticals, supplements, etc. this is second nature and it happens daily... do you have any idea how difficult it is to get things to pass with the fda, especially things of this nature? something banned for athletes none the less... on top of everything else.. its near impossible and it takes so much to get accomplished... im sorry but if you have concerns, which are fair in ANYTHING you take or do then you have to make a decision based on what you have seen... i guarantee you this.. there's probably more than a handful of things you do on a daily basis that have somehow been linked to cancer... the list of things is so long that it is impossible to decipher what to believe etc... once again, thats up to you...
Respect that reply man. Thank you
for sure brother... i'll always give you the right guidance, regardless... if your not comfortable then it makes no sense... you MUST feel comfortable in what your doing... im here to help so just let me know if you have further questions...
Maxadvance
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The test you are referencing has subjects that already have cancer and are being tested to see if GW0742 and GW501516 grows the cancer. It has nothing to do with seeing if they actually cause cancer. So there's that.
Maxadvance
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Just an observation, but a statin like losartin costs about $30 for a 90 day supply. So the point I'm gonna make is that big pharma probably isn't killing it on profit dollars for the drug, but there sure are a lot of fucking peeps on the shit.
excellent point bro and that is the case in this study... far different than actually causing it
There are several findings that are inconsistent with the study referenced. For example, GW is an-501516 anti-inflammatory in many cell types; colon epithelium, macrophages, cardiomyocytes, immune cells, keratinocytes, myoblasts, endothelial cells, and hepatocytes. There is also evidence suggesting that GW promotes differentiation in intestinal epithelium, breast and colon cancer cell lines, trophoblasts and primary keratinocytes. This means it allows cells to become more specialized cells maintaining a natural limitation of certain cell types, without such a limitation, basic cells would run rampant invading areas they typically do not belong. GW has also been demonstrated inhibition of cell growth in a number of cells.
