test/primo cycle...experiencing some unexpected symptoms

[wags1970]

took the Aromisin. hopefully in a few days I feel better. can't believe I didn't think of this myself. I've taken this dosage of test by itself with very intermittent AI and had no issues. guess this shows that primo truly does have effect especially at my dosages. lesson learned

 

[rockmfhudd]

I never thought of the AI either, with estro shutting down cardio, hell I am still new to all of this as well and I learned something new today Thanks guys

 

[rockmfhudd]

make sure you update on how that helps out

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Not using a AI at 500mg Test a week? Your estrogen has to be off the charts, no wonder you feel like shit man. Get on Aromasin and I bet you will feel like gold in a couple of days. You mentioned that youre cardio sucks and have problems breathing.

One of the main symtoms of sky high Estrogen is your cardio going to shit and problems breathing. Its actually more prevalent then developing Gyno. Get some Aromasin ASAP

Not so sure bout this, ive ran several cycles no AI and high estrogen never really exhibited these type of symptoms complete opposite, at first it sounded more like he may have Crushed his E levels to me but if he isnt taking an AI i dont see that could be the case. Wouldnt hurt to implement an AI just to rule this out tho, this has me a bit baffled as well. May just be having a bad response to one of the compounds and since hes taking several it will be a bit more difficult to decipher. Maybe test flu or some shit..

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

The products arnt the problem. Primo is one the mildest products when it comes to sides. The fact that you arnt using an ai is troubling. I havnt experienced pip on primo but i iust started using it. The pip could be if you are injecting a high volume of fluid with the cyp and primo. That being said if u have flu type symptoms its probly test flu. I wouldnt abandon any products i would get on an ai. Preferebly aromasin like now.


PHURIOUS

Ya, hop on an AI to rule out elevated estrogen, but usually high E would have the opposite symptoms as he described. Then again everyone is different, and so many compounds makes it harder to determine

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Yup, better crushed then excessive. Contrary to popular belief it's anabolic and necessary but to much can screw you up. With high test always run a Ai even if your not prone to gyno. Gyno is only one of many symptoms that can negatively effect you.

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Noy for me at all, i would opt elevated E all day than crushed E for sure. Not even close

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

People don't realizability how powerful estrogen is mg to mg it's stronger then test.

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Estrogen control is definitely a must,

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Make sure you run your AI soon but do not go crazy with it, if you do and you crush your estrogen level you will know this and really feel like death.. 12.5mg exemestane a couople days straight to catch up then switch to EOD

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I'm currently 3 weeks into a primo/test cycle and I'm having some effects that I did not expect. My cycle consists of 500mg/wk of Test Cyp, along with 800mg of Primo (Robo, 2x week), plus 50mg proviron a day. In addition, I'm also about 3 weeks into a GW and MK-2866 SARMS. No noticeable gains as of yet, but I did not really expect much this early on. What I am noticing is the following: chest and arm acne, libido way down, sleep overall worse. I also seem to have quite a bit of sinus congestion, but have no other symptoms of it being a common cold. And when I exercise, the sinus congestion gets worse. And speaking of exercise, my cardio is really bad now. I can no longer make it through my weight lifting workouts without experiencing episodes of trouble breathing and having to stop to catch my breath. Prior to the cycle, the only weight lifting routine that really tested my cardio and slowed me down would be leg day, but now other workouts like chest, back, etc are all leaving me breathless at some point during the workout causing me to stop and regain my breath. Heck I can't do simple tasks around the house lately without getting winded. And my anger has been on the rise, short temper, mean thoughts. Heck it almost is like I'm on Tren, but I doubt that's the case, but I'm not sure what is going on. I was excited about the prospect of the GW to give me boost of endurance, but even that is doing nothing. I also tend to have some anxiety and that seems to be up as of late as well. Given how expensive Primo is, I hate to pull the plug this early into the cycle (the plan was for 16 weeks). But my plan was to step up the intensity and frequency of my workouts but right now I feel so out of shape I can barely do the minimum. I am not having any other symptoms of a cold/flu or something that I am aware of, and I did not expect these types of side effects. I've taken Test Cyp off an on for a long time, and was fine with it. I sure hope its not the primo, nothing I have read about its positive effects really adds up to how I'm feeling. And I still get PIP every time I inject it. I've done delts, thighs, and glutes. Each time I'm mildly sore for a few days. Pretty bummed right now.

Test is too high. are you running an AI??

 

[ThatAussieGuy]

Dunno if this is your first cycle but I can vouch for getting your estro right to feeling good. I'm on first cycle and took me a bit of experimentation to find the right estro balance and get it dialled in but once I did, I have felt great. 12.5 exemestane EOD wasn't enough for me, I felt crap and wanted to sleep all day, the only thing saving my workouts was two scoops lol. 12.5 ED seems to be the right balance, full of energy and killing workouts.

 

[RickRock]

I do happen to have aromisen on hand, just didn't realize I needed it until after cycle. I'll get on it as soon as possible and see what happens. And to the person who asked if I have used primo before, the answer is no I have not. thanks for all the feedback, hopefully its as simple as the AI

Get on the Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD and let us know how that treats you after running that for a couple weeks

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

^Ya, get on some AI asap maybe that will help you out. Could be a number of things going on here