DylanGemelli said:krill89 said:DylanGemelli said:a lot of orals can make you feel like shit... when your liver really disagrees or is not proceessing properly then that is a first indicator... headaches, lethargy, painful pumps etc... that's why i often go with half doses... you can't avoid toxicity, that's how they are made, although some have more than others... the two best preventative methods are using some sort of cycle support and testing doses and going a bit lower... not to mention when you get a rise in blood pressure, lipid and cholesterol issues, etc... it becomes very problematic and needs to be addressed... this is why sarms a such an excellent addition or even substitute... why get the nasty sides from dbol when you can use tbol stacked with lgd and get that kind of size without the estrogen, the harsher sides etc... or instead of running something weaker like anavar, run gw and s4 instead... its just a nice alternative to have... just keep in mind, when you run an oral, chances are you will experience so if not all of these sides....
How would you rate winstrol on the " toxicity scale " compared to dbol? Im about to hopp on winstrol and it's been a while since. I remember the vascularity, but cant say there was any harsh side's, but this was at 30mg ed. Going to be doing 50mg ed this time around though. I can mention again that dbol make's me feel like dog shit.. lol
winstrol is considered to be more in the top tier of toxicity than other orals but personally, i have never had any sort of issue other than lethargy when i dosed too high and that is clearly due to the toxicity to the liver... dbol is going to have more toxicity and definitely possess more sides than winstrol especially with the high amounts of estrogen conversion... you definitely need to take winstrol very serious but you have NO concern of estrogen conversion, generally you are getting terrible back pumps with dbol which you normally do not with winstrol but you could have joint pain with winstrol the later you get in the cycle, which is combated with mk-2866 use... make sure you have some type of cycle protection with winstrol because it can hurt cholesterol on top of toxicity that is present but all in all, i never have personally felt winstrol to be as harsh as made out to be
Thank's man. GW would be a good option here for cholesterol?