Sarms Super Stack Cycle and Mini PCT Clarifications

[Diaphanous]

Just finished introducing myself here in the forum in another post and opened this one to further talk about the Sarms Super stack.

I have read the past few months as much as I can on Sarms watched alot of videos and have a very basic general idea
about what they are, how they work, how to combine them and in what dosages.

So I am interested in trying the Super Stack which in its current state has the four basic Sarms.
I understand the general protocol is as follows :

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-501516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16
clomid 50/25/25/25 or 25/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Both Dylan and RickRock have suggested this for me and for so many other members in here before me, and I will most definitely keep it that way.
I figure alot of experienced people and researchers have spend alot of time experimenting to fine tune the dose for all these, so that the rest of us won't have to.
Once I order, receive and begin the stack, ill try to post a thread with the log of the progress, if anyone in here is still interested,
in 3-4 day increments (twice a week), maybe post some photos and include any other progress or comments of anything worth mentioning.

 

[Diaphanous]

I have a few questions, so ill post no more than 3 to 4 at a time and try to keep posts easy to read and reply.
I ll wait a day for u guys to reply because of the time difference or 2 if necessary, then post the next set of questions. :mrgreen:

So here are the first 4 :

1) What about blood work? Should I get some done, then re-do to check or follow something? Before cycle, on cycle, and of-cycle?
What specifically? Any other exams that d be helpful?

2) If yes, would exams be all, or should I also go about finding a "specialized" trusted doctor that deals regularly with athletes to check up on me?

3) Being the most anabolic of all, with the longest halflife and dosed at only 10mg a day, is LGD-4033 the reason why we use clomid in PCT?
I only ask this as I was getting the feeling from all the readings and videos that sarms in general have minimal side effects.
Yet clomid is always present in heavier PCTs, so is it still a fact that there is no total suppression?
If yes to what degree compared to regular steroid use?

4) In any case better to be safe than not, but what would be better and why?... to dose clomid 50/25/25/25 or 25/25/25/25 ? Does it make a real difference?
Both were suggested... is it an approximate or could we favor one over the other, if for example we had indicative results from an examination.
I understand we want to adverse some effects but balance is everything and the way to go right? So we dont wanna fall short or overdoit...

Alright thats it for now, thanks for all your help, ill talk to u tomorrow!
U have a great day people!

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Sarms Super Stack Cycle and Mini PCT Clarifications

I have a few questions, so ill post no more than 3 to 4 at a time and try to keep posts easy to read and reply.
I ll wait a day for u guys to reply because of the time difference or 2 if necessary, then post the next set of questions. :mrgreen:

So here are the first 4 :

1) What about blood work? Should I get some done, then re-do to check or follow something? Before cycle, on cycle, and of-cycle?
What specifically? Any other exams that d be helpful?

2) If yes, would exams be all, or should I also go about finding a "specialized" trusted doctor that deals regularly with athletes to check up on me?

3) Being the most anabolic of all, with the longest halflife and dosed at only 10mg a day, is LGD-4033 the reason why we use clomid in PCT?
I only ask this as I was getting the feeling from all the readings and videos that sarms in general have minimal side effects.
Yet clomid is always present in heavier PCTs, so is it still a fact that there is no total suppression?
If yes to what degree compared to regular steroid use?

4) In any case better to be safe than not, but what would be better and why?... to dose clomid 50/25/25/25 or 25/25/25/25 ? Does it make a real difference?
Both were suggested... is it an approximate or could we favor one over the other, if for example we had indicative results from an examination.
I understand we want to adverse some effects but balance is everything and the way to go right? So we dont wanna fall short or overdoit...

Alright thats it for now, thanks for all your help, ill talk to u tomorrow!
U have a great day people!

Bloodwork is always good to get at anytime, but for sarms I personally don't see it as a requirement. It's really up to your discretion.

As for Clomid, its recommended because it works...plain and simple. It's much more effective than an OTC test booster so there's no need to use something else that wouldn't work as well.

25mg is ample for sarms. You can use 50mg if you choose to for the first week or two, but not absolutely necessary. It won't make a huge difference either way

 

[DylanGemelli]

I have a few questions, so ill post no more than 3 to 4 at a time and try to keep posts easy to read and reply.
I ll wait a day for u guys to reply because of the time difference or 2 if necessary, then post the next set of questions. :mrgreen:

So here are the first 4 :

1) What about blood work? Should I get some done, then re-do to check or follow something? Before cycle, on cycle, and of-cycle?
What specifically? Any other exams that d be helpful?

2) If yes, would exams be all, or should I also go about finding a "specialized" trusted doctor that deals regularly with athletes to check up on me?

3) Being the most anabolic of all, with the longest halflife and dosed at only 10mg a day, is LGD-4033 the reason why we use clomid in PCT?
I only ask this as I was getting the feeling from all the readings and videos that sarms in general have minimal side effects.
Yet clomid is always present in heavier PCTs, so is it still a fact that there is no total suppression?
If yes to what degree compared to regular steroid use?

4) In any case better to be safe than not, but what would be better and why?... to dose clomid 50/25/25/25 or 25/25/25/25 ? Does it make a real difference?
Both were suggested... is it an approximate or could we favor one over the other, if for example we had indicative results from an examination.
I understand we want to adverse some effects but balance is everything and the way to go right? So we dont wanna fall short or overdoit...

Alright thats it for now, thanks for all your help, ill talk to u tomorrow!
U have a great day people!

1. it is always a good thing to get pre and post bloods done.

2. any doctor is fine to take blood work with...

3. clomid use is more or less for assurance... generally suppression shows minimal at best however its always better to never risk anything when it comes to post cycle and recovery...

4. 25 straight through is all that is necessary... any more is over kill with sarms...

 

[Diaphanous]

Bloodwork is always good to get at anytime, but for sarms I personally don't see it as a requirement. It's really up to your discretion.

As for Clomid, its recommended because it works...plain and simple. It's much more effective than an OTC test booster so there's no need to use something else that wouldn't work as well.

25mg is ample for sarms. You can use 50mg if you choose to for the first week or two, but not absolutely necessary. It won't make a huge difference either way

Great thats perfect!

1. it is always a good thing to get pre and post bloods done.

2. any doctor is fine to take blood work with...

3. clomid use is more or less for assurance... generally suppression shows minimal at best however its always better to never risk anything when it comes to post cycle and recovery...

4. 25 straight through is all that is necessary... any more is over kill with sarms...

Ahhh Thats excellent!

Great stuff... now moving on to S4 and the rest...

5) I've carefully read and watched videos on how to gradually progressively increase the dose of s4,
to minimize / regulate the yellow tint side effect while making the most out of S4.
I noticed in some videos that the dosage mentioned to start from and the subsequent dosages are different.
Same thing with the number of days mentioned to wait before we increase the dosage.
Perhaps im going into too much detail or the difference might be insignificant,
but i would like you guys to verify precisely how id go about doing this thing the right way.

6) I train in the evening from 19:00 to 20:00 and sometimes till 21:00...
should i take the second daily dose of 25mg before training or after?

7) GW 501516 is used on cycle and off cycle?... same dosage?... So gw is used non stop?
Don't i have to be off it at some point? How long do u think we can use GW for?
I suppose our VO2max will improve up to a point, no?

8) DAA is D-Aspartic Acid? I noticed we use it in weeks 9 to 12... is that some way of kickstarting the pct
or are we using it for something else? I understand PE sells good quality sarms and read somewhere
that soon we ll be able to get clomid, mk 677 and SR 9009 from there too.
The same applies for good quality bulk DAA? If not where would we get it from?

That's it for now, some more questions will follow in a later post...
thank you all again for ur responses and the valuable info!

Much appreciated, be well!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Bloodwork is always good to get at anytime, but for sarms I personally don't see it as a requirement. It's really up to your discretion.

As for Clomid, its recommended because it works...plain and simple. It's much more effective than an OTC test booster so there's no need to use something else that wouldn't work as well.

25mg is ample for sarms. You can use 50mg if you choose to for the first week or two, but not absolutely necessary. It won't make a huge difference either way

Great thats perfect!

[quote:2ol9jzcz]1. it is always a good thing to get pre and post bloods done.

2. any doctor is fine to take blood work with...

3. clomid use is more or less for assurance... generally suppression shows minimal at best however its always better to never risk anything when it comes to post cycle and recovery...

4. 25 straight through is all that is necessary... any more is over kill with sarms...

Ahhh Thats excellent!

Great stuff... now moving on to S4 and the rest...

5) I've carefully read and watched videos on how to gradually progressively increase the dose of s4,
to minimize / regulate the yellow tint side effect while making the most out of S4.
I noticed in some videos that the dosage mentioned to start from and the subsequent dosages are different.
Same thing with the number of days mentioned to wait before we increase the dosage.
Perhaps im going into too much detail or the difference might be insignificant,
but i would like you guys to verify precisely how id go about doing this thing the right way.

6) I train in the evening from 19:00 to 20:00 and sometimes till 21:00...
should i take the second daily dose of 25mg before training or after?

7) GW 501516 is used on cycle and off cycle?... same dosage?... So gw is used non stop?
Don't i have to be off it at some point? How long do u think we can use GW for?
I suppose our VO2max will improve up to a point, no?

8) DAA is D-Aspartic Acid? I noticed we use it in weeks 9 to 12... is that some way of kickstarting the pct
or are we using it for something else? I understand PE sells good quality sarms and read somewhere
that soon we ll be able to get clomid, mk 677 and SR 9009 from there too.
The same applies for good quality bulk DAA? If not where would we get it from?

That's it for now, some more questions will follow in a later post...
thank you all again for ur responses and the valuable info!

Much appreciated, be well! [/quote:2ol9jzcz]


5.
S4 Dosing Protocol:

THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD

This is a method that I have developed over several years of use, implementation and study of the effects of S4. Accurately gauging the individucal response to the binding to the eye receptor S4 can cause is virtually impossible as it is variant from person to person. There is a way to ensure that, although, there are different responses from person to person, mitigation is possible and assurance of a longer and less side effect riddled cycle can be obtained.

Read on to find out how to properly dose S4. As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light. Generally, the adjustment period is rapid but can effect some far worse than others. S4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTANDING that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen is integral. A dose of 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some users will experience the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to raise their dose up to 100 mg a day with very minimal issue. There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try. The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on S4 is very short (around 4-6 hours). Some people are forced to go to dosing S4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they are unable to handle the vision issue. It is important to try to avoid this as much as possible as one does not want to miss any days of use however if necessary, S4 can still be effectively utilized with this method.

It is extremely important to understand HOW to dose S4 properly. Many are content to stay at 50 mg per day on an 8-12 week cycle. Others prefer to increase the dosage to get even more out of S4 but it is extremely important to follow this specific protocol to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum.

I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout on the original Nintendo Entertainment System. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down. This is the danger zone. Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because there is still danger to avoid.

The same can be said with S4 use. You need to start the first 2 weeks of S4 use at no more than 50 mg per day, regardless of your experience of use. After the initial 2 weeks, if minimal to no vision side effects are experienced it is safe to increase the dosage but with care and caution. After two weeks you can raise the dosing to 60 mg per day. This is a “testing of the waters” to see your body response. It is best to stay at this dose for 10-14 days before considering another increase. If you are able after this amount of time, attempt to raise to 70 mg per day. If you are able to stay between 70-80 mg per day, you have reached a sweet spot zone. Ideally, 100 mg is the optimal dose but 70-80 mg is going to be perfect for many. Continuing to increase after 10-14 days is the best method. A user should never exceed 100 mg per day of S4. Every increase made throughout the cycle needs to be done cautiously and monitored closely. Some are far luckier than others in terms of experiencing a binding to the eye receptor that can cause the issues. Generally, when an issue arises, it is very tolerable and users are able to continue forward. This is variant from person to person and should be done with precision and caution. ONE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage. Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing S4.

6. s4 dosing has no bearing on training time whatsoever... gw is the ONLY one that does... s4 is 25 mg first thing in the morning and 25 mg 4-6 hours later

GW is 30 minutes prior to working out and non workout days all in the a.m.

7. 14 weeks on then 2-3 weeks off... you never want to desensitize

8. pure essence will not be carrying daa... i prefer daa powerchews myself but they are more pricey than regular daa powder.. here is where i get them... http://www.hardsupplements.com/post-cyc ... est-180ct/

 

[Diaphanous]

5.
S4 Dosing Protocol:

THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD

This is a method that I have developed over several years of use, implementation and study of the effects of S4. Accurately gauging the individucal response to the binding to the eye receptor S4 can cause is virtually impossible as it is variant from person to person. There is a way to ensure that, although, there are different responses from person to person, mitigation is possible and assurance of a longer and less side effect riddled cycle can be obtained.

Read on to find out how to properly dose S4. As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light. Generally, the adjustment period is rapid but can effect some far worse than others. S4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTANDING that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen is integral. A dose of 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some users will experience the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to raise their dose up to 100 mg a day with very minimal issue. There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try. The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on S4 is very short (around 4-6 hours). Some people are forced to go to dosing S4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they are unable to handle the vision issue. It is important to try to avoid this as much as possible as one does not want to miss any days of use however if necessary, S4 can still be effectively utilized with this method.

It is extremely important to understand HOW to dose S4 properly. Many are content to stay at 50 mg per day on an 8-12 week cycle. Others prefer to increase the dosage to get even more out of S4 but it is extremely important to follow this specific protocol to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum.

I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout on the original Nintendo Entertainment System. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down. This is the danger zone. Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because there is still danger to avoid.

The same can be said with S4 use. You need to start the first 2 weeks of S4 use at no more than 50 mg per day, regardless of your experience of use. After the initial 2 weeks, if minimal to no vision side effects are experienced it is safe to increase the dosage but with care and caution. After two weeks you can raise the dosing to 60 mg per day. This is a “testing of the waters” to see your body response. It is best to stay at this dose for 10-14 days before considering another increase. If you are able after this amount of time, attempt to raise to 70 mg per day. If you are able to stay between 70-80 mg per day, you have reached a sweet spot zone. Ideally, 100 mg is the optimal dose but 70-80 mg is going to be perfect for many. Continuing to increase after 10-14 days is the best method. A user should never exceed 100 mg per day of S4. Every increase made throughout the cycle needs to be done cautiously and monitored closely. Some are far luckier than others in terms of experiencing a binding to the eye receptor that can cause the issues. Generally, when an issue arises, it is very tolerable and users are able to continue forward. This is variant from person to person and should be done with precision and caution. ONE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage. Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing S4.

6. s4 dosing has no bearing on training time whatsoever... gw is the ONLY one that does... s4 is 25 mg first thing in the morning and 25 mg 4-6 hours later

GW is 30 minutes prior to working out and non workout days all in the a.m.

7. 14 weeks on then 2-3 weeks off... you never want to desensitize

8. pure essence will not be carrying daa... i prefer daa powerchews myself but they are more pricey than regular daa powder.. here is where i get them... http://www.hardsupplements.com/post-cyc ... est-180ct/

That is great... so...

9)If i try this dosing method and respond well with no issues till the end, starting off from 50mgs and increasing 10mgs every 14 days all the way to 100mgs,
then by day 84, which would be the last day of the last week, i will have gone through a total of 126ml, again assuming all goes well.
Given a PE S4 bottle is 30ml, then 126ml would be 4.2 bottles and the superstack offers 3 bottles. So the superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks,
if and only if I stay on 50mg a day. Meaning i would have to buy an extra bottle seperately. Same applies for the GW...
The PE sarms superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks providing us with 3 bottles of gw. So to use it like suggested in the off cycle for a couple more weeks,
weeks 13 and 14, i would need to buy an extra bottle seperately. Given how the Sarms Super Stack is designed and what it offers,
i can only assume, these are optional scenarios... (definetely in the S4 case)... and in the GW case or is GW definetely needed (for health reasons) during off weeks 13 and 14?
Need to sort this before ordering...

10) That Power Chews D-Test looks amazing! Thank you for that Ill see what i can do to get hold of that...
It contains 45 servings which is more than the 28days ill be using it for and suggests to take one serving of four tablets a day, 30 minutes before workout, or in the morning for non workout days. Is that how how u d want me to use it?

Thank you so much for answering all my questions, hope i didnt bore you to death or anything... :mrgreen:
Have a great day!!!

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Sarms Super Stack Cycle and Mini PCT Clarifications

5.
S4 Dosing Protocol:

THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD

This is a method that I have developed over several years of use, implementation and study of the effects of S4. Accurately gauging the individucal response to the binding to the eye receptor S4 can cause is virtually impossible as it is variant from person to person. There is a way to ensure that, although, there are different responses from person to person, mitigation is possible and assurance of a longer and less side effect riddled cycle can be obtained.

Read on to find out how to properly dose S4. As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light. Generally, the adjustment period is rapid but can effect some far worse than others. S4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTANDING that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen is integral. A dose of 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some users will experience the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to raise their dose up to 100 mg a day with very minimal issue. There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try. The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on S4 is very short (around 4-6 hours). Some people are forced to go to dosing S4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they are unable to handle the vision issue. It is important to try to avoid this as much as possible as one does not want to miss any days of use however if necessary, S4 can still be effectively utilized with this method.

It is extremely important to understand HOW to dose S4 properly. Many are content to stay at 50 mg per day on an 8-12 week cycle. Others prefer to increase the dosage to get even more out of S4 but it is extremely important to follow this specific protocol to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum.

I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout on the original Nintendo Entertainment System. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down. This is the danger zone. Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because there is still danger to avoid.

The same can be said with S4 use. You need to start the first 2 weeks of S4 use at no more than 50 mg per day, regardless of your experience of use. After the initial 2 weeks, if minimal to no vision side effects are experienced it is safe to increase the dosage but with care and caution. After two weeks you can raise the dosing to 60 mg per day. This is a “testing of the waters” to see your body response. It is best to stay at this dose for 10-14 days before considering another increase. If you are able after this amount of time, attempt to raise to 70 mg per day. If you are able to stay between 70-80 mg per day, you have reached a sweet spot zone. Ideally, 100 mg is the optimal dose but 70-80 mg is going to be perfect for many. Continuing to increase after 10-14 days is the best method. A user should never exceed 100 mg per day of S4. Every increase made throughout the cycle needs to be done cautiously and monitored closely. Some are far luckier than others in terms of experiencing a binding to the eye receptor that can cause the issues. Generally, when an issue arises, it is very tolerable and users are able to continue forward. This is variant from person to person and should be done with precision and caution. ONE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage. Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing S4.

6. s4 dosing has no bearing on training time whatsoever... gw is the ONLY one that does... s4 is 25 mg first thing in the morning and 25 mg 4-6 hours later

GW is 30 minutes prior to working out and non workout days all in the a.m.

7. 14 weeks on then 2-3 weeks off... you never want to desensitize

8. pure essence will not be carrying daa... i prefer daa powerchews myself but they are more pricey than regular daa powder.. here is where i get them... http://www.hardsupplements.com/post-cyc ... est-180ct/

That is great... so...

9)If i try this dosing method and respond well with no issues till the end, starting off from 50mgs and increasing 10mgs every 14 days all the way to 100mgs,
then by day 84, which would be the last day of the last week, i will have gone through a total of 126ml, again assuming all goes well.
Given a PE S4 bottle is 30ml, then 126ml would be 4.2 bottles and the superstack offers 3 bottles. So the superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks,
if and only if I stay on 50mg a day. Meaning i would have to buy an extra bottle seperately. Same applies for the GW...
The PE sarms superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks providing us with 3 bottles of gw. So to use it like suggested in the off cycle for a couple more weeks,
weeks 13 and 14, i would need to buy an extra bottle seperately. Given how the Sarms Super Stack is designed and what it offers,
i can only assume, these are optional scenarios... (definetely in the S4 case)... and in the GW case or is GW definetely needed (for health reasons) during off weeks 13 and 14?
Need to sort this before ordering...

10) That Power Chews D-Test looks amazing! Thank you for that Ill see what i can do to get hold of that...
It contains 45 servings which is more than the 28days ill be using it for and suggests to take one serving of four tablets a day, 30 minutes before workout, or in the morning for non workout days. Is that how how u d want me to use it?

Thank you so much for answering all my questions, hope i didnt bore you to death or anything... :mrgreen:
Have a great day!!!

9) one thing to consider is that most people would not make it to 100mg of S4. Some people don't ever go over 50mg. You are leaving way too much open to speculation when you don't even know how you will respond and where your sweet spot is. I would just get the 12 week stack for now and you can ajways purchase more if necessary later on.

10) dose the DAA just once per day at 4 chews to get your 3g DAA. The time of dosing is irrelevant but whatever you choose I would pick the same time to dose every day. Their recommendation is fine if you'd like to dise it that way. I would do preworkout every day or the same time that would be preworkout on off days

 

[DylanGemelli]

5.
S4 Dosing Protocol:

THE DYLAN GEMELLI METHOD

This is a method that I have developed over several years of use, implementation and study of the effects of S4. Accurately gauging the individucal response to the binding to the eye receptor S4 can cause is virtually impossible as it is variant from person to person. There is a way to ensure that, although, there are different responses from person to person, mitigation is possible and assurance of a longer and less side effect riddled cycle can be obtained.

Read on to find out how to properly dose S4. As most of you know, the common side effect associated with S4 is the night vision issue. This results in one of two or both of these issues: A yellow tint associated with vision at night and/or a hard time adjusting to darkness or light. Generally, the adjustment period is rapid but can effect some far worse than others. S4 can bind to the receptor in the eye causing these problems. UNDERSTANDING that it is IMPOSSIBLE to know if this will happen to you and at what dosage this may happen is integral. A dose of 50 mg is the general starting spot for dosing. Some users will experience the vision issue immediately even at this moderate dose. Some are able to raise their dose up to 100 mg a day with very minimal issue. There is no way to tell what category you fall into until you try. The vision issue is not permanent and the half life on S4 is very short (around 4-6 hours). Some people are forced to go to dosing S4 for 5 days and then taking 2 off because they are unable to handle the vision issue. It is important to try to avoid this as much as possible as one does not want to miss any days of use however if necessary, S4 can still be effectively utilized with this method.

It is extremely important to understand HOW to dose S4 properly. Many are content to stay at 50 mg per day on an 8-12 week cycle. Others prefer to increase the dosage to get even more out of S4 but it is extremely important to follow this specific protocol to ensure that vision issues are kept to a minimum.

I compare this protocol to fighting Mike Tyson on Mike Tyson's punchout on the original Nintendo Entertainment System. If anyone has ever played the game they will appreciate this comparison. When you fight Mike Tyson, the first 1:20 seconds of round 1, if you are hit just one time you are knocked down. This is the danger zone. Once you get past that first 1:20 you are much safer but you still must proceed with caution because there is still danger to avoid.

The same can be said with S4 use. You need to start the first 2 weeks of S4 use at no more than 50 mg per day, regardless of your experience of use. After the initial 2 weeks, if minimal to no vision side effects are experienced it is safe to increase the dosage but with care and caution. After two weeks you can raise the dosing to 60 mg per day. This is a “testing of the waters” to see your body response. It is best to stay at this dose for 10-14 days before considering another increase. If you are able after this amount of time, attempt to raise to 70 mg per day. If you are able to stay between 70-80 mg per day, you have reached a sweet spot zone. Ideally, 100 mg is the optimal dose but 70-80 mg is going to be perfect for many. Continuing to increase after 10-14 days is the best method. A user should never exceed 100 mg per day of S4. Every increase made throughout the cycle needs to be done cautiously and monitored closely. Some are far luckier than others in terms of experiencing a binding to the eye receptor that can cause the issues. Generally, when an issue arises, it is very tolerable and users are able to continue forward. This is variant from person to person and should be done with precision and caution. ONE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A RUSH to increase dosage. Following this protocol will be the safest and MOST EFFECTIVE way of dosing S4.

6. s4 dosing has no bearing on training time whatsoever... gw is the ONLY one that does... s4 is 25 mg first thing in the morning and 25 mg 4-6 hours later

GW is 30 minutes prior to working out and non workout days all in the a.m.

7. 14 weeks on then 2-3 weeks off... you never want to desensitize

8. pure essence will not be carrying daa... i prefer daa powerchews myself but they are more pricey than regular daa powder.. here is where i get them... http://www.hardsupplements.com/post-cyc ... est-180ct/

That is great... so...

9)If i try this dosing method and respond well with no issues till the end, starting off from 50mgs and increasing 10mgs every 14 days all the way to 100mgs,
then by day 84, which would be the last day of the last week, i will have gone through a total of 126ml, again assuming all goes well.
Given a PE S4 bottle is 30ml, then 126ml would be 4.2 bottles and the superstack offers 3 bottles. So the superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks,
if and only if I stay on 50mg a day. Meaning i would have to buy an extra bottle seperately. Same applies for the GW...
The PE sarms superstack is designed to last for 12 weeks providing us with 3 bottles of gw. So to use it like suggested in the off cycle for a couple more weeks,
weeks 13 and 14, i would need to buy an extra bottle seperately. Given how the Sarms Super Stack is designed and what it offers,
i can only assume, these are optional scenarios... (definetely in the S4 case)... and in the GW case or is GW definetely needed (for health reasons) during off weeks 13 and 14?
Need to sort this before ordering...

10) That Power Chews D-Test looks amazing! Thank you for that Ill see what i can do to get hold of that...
It contains 45 servings which is more than the 28days ill be using it for and suggests to take one serving of four tablets a day, 30 minutes before workout, or in the morning for non workout days. Is that how how u d want me to use it?

Thank you so much for answering all my questions, hope i didnt bore you to death or anything... :mrgreen:
Have a great day!!!

9. Yes, exactly on everything you mention...

10. yes, that is how to use it or you can play with dosing etc... that's kind of trial and error for everyone... i generally take them 2 in the morning and 2 before bed but everyone has their own methods... those are optimal times and i use the bcaa and glutamine chews pre workout... that's entirely up to you on that... that is what i have found to be most effective

 

[bostonbodybuilder]

This is a great thread about questions regarding the super stack, as I have already ordered mine, its shipped and on its way.

Question for you guys:

1. Is it safe to drink alcohol while using SARMS? i am not big drinker, but sometime i go out with my friends on weekends and usually i will have 3-5 drinks, but I think since I am going to pretty serious about lifting/dieting and using SARMS ill limit it to maybe 1 or 2 drinks a week, is that safe or should i completely avoid alcohol while using sarms.

2. Do people keep their gains after using SARMS and being off it. say after my 12 week use, i decide to take a longer break till my next sarm cycle, will i keep my gains if i were to continue to train without SARMS?

Thanks if i think of more questions i will post.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

This is a great thread about questions regarding the super stack, as I have already ordered mine, its shipped and on its way.

Question for you guys:

1. Is it safe to drink alcohol while using SARMS? i am not big drinker, but sometime i go out with my friends on weekends and usually i will have 3-5 drinks, but I think since I am going to pretty serious about lifting/dieting and using SARMS ill limit it to maybe 1 or 2 drinks a week, is that safe or should i completely avoid alcohol while using sarms.

2. Do people keep their gains after using SARMS and being off it. say after my 12 week use, i decide to take a longer break till my next sarm cycle, will i keep my gains if i were to continue to train without SARMS?

Thanks if i think of more questions i will post.

1. can you drink? yes, should you? No - i wouldnt suggest drinking alcohol any time of the year as it is completely unecessary and the simple fact that it has become a "social" thing is kind of sad because we have sunk so low..You are already stressing your body with SARMS, yes they arent as suppressive or toxic like AAS but they still do have minimal suppression and can still put stress on liver/kidneys like any foreign substance, people react differently to certain things so be aware..

2. as far as i know, people running sarms stacks use PCT afterwards, so you should retain your gains, provided you still EAT and TRAIN correctly..

 

[RickRock]

This is a great thread about questions regarding the super stack, as I have already ordered mine, its shipped and on its way.

Question for you guys:

1. Is it safe to drink alcohol while using SARMS? i am not big drinker, but sometime i go out with my friends on weekends and usually i will have 3-5 drinks, but I think since I am going to pretty serious about lifting/dieting and using SARMS ill limit it to maybe 1 or 2 drinks a week, is that safe or should i completely avoid alcohol while using sarms.

2. Do people keep their gains after using SARMS and being off it. say after my 12 week use, i decide to take a longer break till my next sarm cycle, will i keep my gains if i were to continue to train without SARMS?

Thanks if i think of more questions i will post.

1) sarms are not liver toxic, and therefore are not a concern when mixed with alcohol. However, drinking alcohol in general just isn't the best idea for this lifestyle. Just use your head and be sensible. It's up to you what type of progress you can make. I don't think a couple drinks per week would hurt you too much, but I would avoid it all together if you can.

2) sarms are much easier to retain the gains from versus AAS, but you still must keep up on the diet and training. The recovery afterwards is also a breeze since sarms don't shut you down like AAS does

 

[DylanGemelli]

This is a great thread about questions regarding the super stack, as I have already ordered mine, its shipped and on its way.

Question for you guys:

1. Is it safe to drink alcohol while using SARMS? i am not big drinker, but sometime i go out with my friends on weekends and usually i will have 3-5 drinks, but I think since I am going to pretty serious about lifting/dieting and using SARMS ill limit it to maybe 1 or 2 drinks a week, is that safe or should i completely avoid alcohol while using sarms.

2. Do people keep their gains after using SARMS and being off it. say after my 12 week use, i decide to take a longer break till my next sarm cycle, will i keep my gains if i were to continue to train without SARMS?

Thanks if i think of more questions i will post.

seriously the gains question???? fuck me...

brother UNDERSTAND SOMETHING... YOU KEEP YOUR GAINS... not something you run... its up to you what you keep!! Are the what you would term more sustainable or cleaner type gains, YES, by far... why? no estrogen conversion, no sides and no long and drawn out recovery... what causes a loss in gains? water weight from estrogen, piss poor recovery, improper pct, not keeping intensity in the gym, not keeping up with your diet, etc... so by looking at this, it says that is really up to you... are you going to continue to train just as hard, are you going to stay disciplined etc... as i said, they are far more sustainable so in essence, yes that would define more keepable... so i "guess" the answer is they are more keepable... im sorry if i sound brass but ive covered the gains question over and over and even had to take time from other videos to make a video on it as its the one question that provides more frustration than anything to me...

in terms of alcohol... to echo spiked on his reply and an answer i often give... CAN YOU? Yes, you can drink but SHOULD YOU, absolutely not... In all honesty, this really is not the lifestyle for you if your going to drink like that... im not being a dick, shit, i drank for a decade nearly so many nights a week but i was not using ANYTHING while partying, NOTHING... you really need to sit down and think if you want to put your heart into something and actually do it or continue to drink like that... that's not to say you cant EVER have a drink but bro, if your having 5 drinks that's just not a few... that's your call and NOONE is going to judge you on what you do in your personal life bro, i definitely wouldn't but the reality is that you should make a choice on what's more important and i know i chose my health but some really need that night life... i had more than enough of it...

 

[Diaphanous]

Hey everyone,

Having posted a few questions to get a better understanding of this particular stack,
I took advantage of the sale and ordered the Sarms Super Stack a few days ago.

Till the stack gets here, I think it's a great opportunity in this forum to get further prepared,
by covering a few other things with you guys that will help maximize the use of the Super Stack.
I'm not talking about how one should sleep, not drink and smoke... as i think most of us is in this forum
already know what, in general, constitutes a healthy and athletic way of living.

I'm talking about fine tuning the supplements one uses to provide a better environment for the Super Stack to take effect.
Ill be opening a thread in the Supplement section about this where I'll lay out what supplements i use, how i use em and when,
to get some feedback from the experienced sarms users of this forum on how to adjust any of these or include others
that will improve the whole Sarms Super Stack experience!

I'll be coming back to this thread later, after receiving the super stack and start using it,
if more questions arise and need to be addressed
Till then, ill see you all in supplements section

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey everyone,

Having posted a few questions to get a better understanding of this particular stack,
I took advantage of the sale and ordered the Sarms Super Stack a few days ago.

Till the stack gets here, I think it's a great opportunity in this forum to get further prepared,
by covering a few other things with you guys that will help maximize the use of the Super Stack.
I'm not talking about how one should sleep, not drink and smoke... as i think most of us is in this forum
already know what, in general, constitutes a healthy and athletic way of living.

I'm talking about fine tuning the supplements one uses to provide a better environment for the Super Stack to take effect.
Ill be opening a thread in the Supplement section about this where I'll lay out what supplements i use, how i use em and when,
to get some feedback from the experienced sarms users of this forum on how to adjust any of these or include others
that will improve the whole Sarms Super Stack experience!

I'll be coming back to this thread later, after receiving the super stack and start using it,
if more questions arise and need to be addressed
Till then, ill see you all in supplements section

i posted in your thread bro...

 

[rockmfhudd]

Looking forward to your log Diaphanous