Questions about first cycle (not dumb questions either)

[togoyour]

Hey Dylan,

First off I just wanted to say I'm a fan of your page as your videos are very informative.

I'm going to be starting up a test only cycle within the next two weeks and it'll be my first real deal cycle.

I wanted to give you some background info that may give you more insight for my scenario. 4 years ago my freshman year of college I was an idiot and tried pro hormones. My first one I did was spring '13 and ran epistane. No sides but I did notice a small lump under my right nipple. Aka gyno. Fast forward to fall '13 I did another cycle of a prohormone called "Xtreme DMZ" that stuff sent me into a pit of depression and I was border line suicidal. Completely miserable. Thinking I would've learned my lesson I did another cycle spring '14 of super DMZ 2.0 from iron mag labs. Same thing again but the gyno was bad. I was very stupid and hate myself for that but I can only learn from my mistakes. I haven't touched anything sense then. I never had anxiety or depression until taking that shit and to this day I have some spells of it here and there.

As of now I'm 23, turning 24 in June and am going to run a 10 week test-e cycle. I've done a lot of research and I've come across studies saying those with low t are ones that suffer more with anxiety and depression. Not to mention my one-eyed Willey struggles to work at times from anxiety because I always remember the haunting times of being on those prohormones and not being able to get it up. At all. It was embarrassing.

My incentive on running this cycle is mainly to enhance my fitness goals. but also see if it'll help balance me back out after all those nasty prohormones. I'm a 6'3 185 pound athletic build- ectomorph frame.

Getting into the cycle details, I'll be doing test-e 500mg/week (Monday Thursday) if you think I should go less please let me know as I'm trying to be as safe as possible.

I have aromasin since I've realized I'm gyno prone. I got gyno from taking DAA for two weeks that's how bad it is. My question with the aromasin is, should I only take it if I notice gyno symptoms/estrogen symptoms? I see a lot of people saying to take 12.5mg everyday but that seems like a lot. Especially since it really depletes the estrogen. I don't want to dry my joints out/lose libido. Something like every three days sounds better but if you can chime in one that, feel free because there's so much shit online I don't know what to believe.

I also have HCG because I don't want my nads to turn into acorns. I'll be running that the last 4 weeks of my cycle going into pct. Should I do 250iu's twice a week? If I can get away with less then even better.

For pct I have two boxes of nolvadex. Was thinking doing 40/40/20/20. Again, if you recommend a safer dosage let me know I do not want to screw myself over.

Should I throw Clomid in there or will I be fine with what I have?

That's all I got. Hope to hear back from you soon. Your videos are very informative and I appreciate that you look out for people's safety with this shit because too many people just run and go with this stuff thinking it's not a big deal.

 

[EZ_E]

A few questions/observations;

A) Once you have gyno you only remove it with surgery. Do you have gyno no or not?

B) "Spells" or anxiety and depression mean AAS is NOT for you until you ca get that under control.

C) 6'3 and 185? Very light. What's your BF%? What are you eating?

 

[togoyour]

The gyno in my left nipple went away completely over time. I still have a little bit in my right side. Only I can really notice it but I can feel the tissue build up and have had it looked at by the doctor. They said it was minsicule and getting removed wasn't something I should really worry about cause it's not as bad as it was. When I was taking those prohormones I could squeeze my nipple and yellowish liquid would come out. Gross.

As far as eating, I don't count my macros or any of that shit. I wake up, eat two packets of protein oatmeal with a cup of blue berries. Lunch I take two heaping scoops of a concoction I prep before the week consisting of ground turkey, brown rice, broccoli, green and red peppers, onion, spinach, sweet potato, portabella mushrooms, and black beans. Before bed I do 1 whole egg, 4 egg whites, some ground turkey, spinach, peppers, mushrooms. Those are the three main things I eat every day. That's not including what I eat at the dining halls since I'm still in school so I'm always on the go. I'll grab whatever that's high on carbs and protein and stuff myself since my metabolism is thru the roof. I'm just light right now cause I've recently recovered from a shoulder injury and just got back in to the gym for the past month and a half. I'm usually around 195. I'm waiting to get most of my weight and strength back before jumping in to this. I really don't know what my BF % is as I don't really care to be honest. I'm naturally already cut up and my abs show and don't ever work abs other than doing core work so it's not high by any means.

My anxiety is more social anxiety if anything but really around the party atmosphere which I'll be avoiding while doing this. I should've specified that but when I say "spells" I mean "once in a blue moon" It was only bad when I took those pro hormones and that was years ago so I'm much better now.

 

[EZ_E]

Observations Part 2:

The doctor told you that because he didn't know you were considering AAS. If you're prone why risk it? The surgery is fairly routine (I've heard) but I haven't had it so i'll let someone else give an opinion on that.

Kudos on waiting till you heal before starting a cycle.

Spells; you know you, but if pro-hormones had that impact what do you think juice will do? Regardless of the scene? AAS takes a lot of mental strength. Maybe keep it in mind that you may need to stop if you can't handle it. And there's NOTHING wrong with that if you do.

These 2 comments aren't going to fly with the boys here:

"As far as eating, I don't count my macros or any of that shit."

"I really don't know what my BF % is as I don't really care to be honest."

Nutrition is 90% of this game. Marcos, amounts need to be 110% dialed in long before, during, and after cycle.

 

[togoyour]

Everything I've read and been told regarding taking anything is "if you're not going to do the real thing don't do it all" I was just afraid of the pinning and thats why I made that poor decision of taking prohormones. Threads I've read and videos I've watched have all said prohormones are essentially a big unknown of not knowing what'll happen because they're chemically altered substances. Like I said, one I ran I felt fine. Then the other two which were stronger compounds wrecked me.

That's my fault for making those comments I've never posted in something like this I just want to get people's insight. I'm looking to get some blood work done this week and I'll check my BF% while I'm there as well. Yes diet is the name of the game. I just never go the route of writing all those numbers down. I look at what I'm eating in the moment then do the math to see what I'm getting for carbs/fat/protein etc. I'm not trying to offend anybody here.

I'd like to get some feedback on my layout if anything in there needs to be changed. I was honesty considering doing 400mg for the first week or two to see how I respond before doing 500mg and how to properly dose my AI because keeping estro in check is going to be something I'll be monitoring big time

 

[EZ_E]

We've all made the pro-ho mistake bro. Hell, 20 years ago I was all about Cell-Tech.

Live and learn.

The feedback is that you need to get you diet dialed in before AAS. That's it. Done & done.

 

[buen]

"also see if it'll help balance me back out after all those nasty prohormones."

seriously brother.....you have already screwed up your HPTA by consuming powerful compounds before your endocrine system has fully developed
...you can't actually believe taking MORE powerful hormones will help you heal???
Come on ..does that make any sense?
You won't heal..you will throw your HPTA axis into greater unbalance...it's like trying to put out a fire by throwing gas on it

you need to get real my friend...HEAL YOURSELF...don't add further injury

STAY FAR AWAY FROM ANY TYPE OF STEROID...give your body time to heal itself and rebound

 

[togoyour]

I appreciate you grilling me, honestly. That's not me being smart. Do you think I should consider get some bloods regardless just to have my levels looked at to see if things are still thrown off? Because I'd like to at least see that so I can know what's causing what. I'm having second thoughts now.. Just trying to figure out what I'll do with everything I spent money on haha

 

[DylanGemelli]

okay bro, you are not going to like anything you hear but im not here to hold hands and coddle you or anyone else... i dont tell you what you want to hear but what you need to hear.. first off and foremost, i dont advise steroid use to anyone your age and if you paid me a million dollars, i still wouldn't do it... your diet is shit int erms of gaining size and that high metabolism excuse wont fly with anyone... you can feed that to people that are clueless but i am not.. i have been doing this FAR too long... you have NO BUSINESS even discussing steroids bro... im sorry but you don't period... The issue: The problems with individuals that had not yet attained full physio-sexual development, is that that anabolic compounds are acting on locations within the central nervous system that are still under development. That is, that many receptors that are activated by Testosterone are STILL performing developmental functions, and you are stimulating them before they had the chance to fully create a working framework of hormonal balance that would sustain you for the rest of your adult life.

you are going to flat ass wreck yourself and i certainly wont contribute to it... "you dont count macros or any of that shit" well guess what, you want to use steroids, you need to have the right attitude and the right way of doing things and no offense but that comment not only screams immaturity but it also shows you have no business using steroids whatsoever... you dont even care enough to see and figure out what you are doing wrong, which is CLEAR and evident not only by your attitude but also by your approach.. im sorry but im not your guy for that... you want real help, i can help you, absolutely and i would love to but you have a shit attitude and are nowhere near using steroids.. you do have other options but NOTHING will work with the way you do things and with that attitude bro...

 

[togoyour]

I appreciate the honesty. I'm not going to go through with this. Seriously, thank you. You mention "I have other options" could you fill me in with what those options may be? I'm curious.

 

[Thefederal]

I appreciate the honesty. I'm not going to go through with this. Seriously, thank you. You mention "I have other options" could you fill me in with what those options may be? I'm curious.

Trying eating 5000 calories a day for 3 months and lifting like a savage. Your depression could've been from low t while running ph. I'd suggest you get bloods taken before anything. But I stanD by my suggestion.... eat and lift bro. Not gaining? Eat more. Lift more. Sleep more. Forget about women and parties and fun.

 

[RickRock]

I appreciate the honesty. I'm not going to go through with this. Seriously, thank you. You mention "I have other options" could you fill me in with what those options may be? I'm curious.

I'm pretty sure what Dylan is referring to is sarms. That can be a great option for you to add size and strength without the shutdown and side effcts of steroids. You can read about sarms here https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

My best recommendation for you would be a sarms stack, and the power stack is a great option for you that will give you great results

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/power-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.




PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

 

[togoyour]

What kind of foods would you recommend slamming down to get near that amount? And how often should I be eating like every 2-3 hours? Being a student and on the go makes that a little tougher but I'm fortunate enough to be able to go out and buy the necessary foods I would need to eat on a consistent basis. So I'll try that. Getting in the calories has always been the hardest part

 

[RickRock]

What kind of foods would you recommend slamming down to get near that amount? And how often should I be eating like every 2-3 hours? Being a student and on the go makes that a little tougher but I'm fortunate enough to be able to go out and buy the necessary foods I would need to eat on a consistent basis. So I'll try that. Getting in the calories has always been the hardest part

I suggest looking at my diet and nutrition thread, which is a sticky near the top of the forum page. You'll find plenty of useful info there to help your diet

 

[togoyour]

This is probably the last question I've got. What would you all recommend I do with everything that I bought. Probably spent an upwards of $350 for everything. Should I try and get one of my friends who's in to all this stuff to buy it or just store it away until the day comes when I'm ready to give it a go? Meaning diets in check, right age, etc.

 

[DylanGemelli]

i would definitely get rid of what you have man... you are not near where you need to be... just because you spent a small amount of money on it, is it worth it to ruin yourself? just get rid of it...

the other options i was talking about are sarms.. take a look at my articles on sarms here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

let me know and i can help you set up the proper cycle...

 

[EZ_E]

This is probably the last question I've got. What would you all recommend I do with everything that I bought. Probably spent an upwards of $350 for everything. Should I try and get one of my friends who's in to all this stuff to buy it or just store it away until the day comes when I'm ready to give it a go? Meaning diets in check, right age, etc.

We accept test as thank you gifts

 

[Thefederal]

What kind of foods would you recommend slamming down to get near that amount? And how often should I be eating like every 2-3 hours? Being a student and on the go makes that a little tougher but I'm fortunate enough to be able to go out and buy the necessary foods I would need to eat on a consistent basis. So I'll try that. Getting in the calories has always been the hardest part

1000 cals every 3 hours isn't too bad. Standard meal for me is 2 cups rice, 1 cup steamed broccoli and 10 oz ground beef.... not ultra lean ground beef or turkey.. get cals with fats as well. If you're truly an ectomorph then you need to eat some dirty meals as well. Otherwise you'll be eating like 10 cups of rice and 3 pounds of chicken throughout the day and still falling short

 

[togoyour]

Appreciate the feedback. My buddy bought everything off me so I have gotten rid of it. Thank you for knocking some sense in to me. My gut was telling me I shouldn't do this but I needed to hear it from some experienced people as well.

I'm going to stick to chicken, ground turkey, salmon, eggs for my main primary protein intakes. I cut red meat out of my diet as high cholesterol runs in the family so I don't want to be dealing with those issues in my life sooner than I have to.

Appreciate the insight fellas, I feel a lot better knowing I turned running that cycle down.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Appreciate the feedback. My buddy bought everything off me so I have gotten rid of it. Thank you for knocking some sense in to me. My gut was telling me I shouldn't do this but I needed to hear it from some experienced people as well.

I'm going to stick to chicken, ground turkey, salmon, eggs for my main primary protein intakes. I cut red meat out of my diet as high cholesterol runs in the family so I don't want to be dealing with those issues in my life sooner than I have to.

Appreciate the insight fellas, I feel a lot better knowing I turned running that cycle down.

you are wise beyond your years for that... see.. this is what i often say and guys get pissed... you guys that are younger, you really truly KNOW internally its not something you should be doing... you are NOT stupid and you do know it... im glad you listened bro... you have no idea the amount of shit you just saved yourself from enduring