Question about my first cycle

[timeshress]

Hey Dylan,

First off, big fan of your YouTube channel and videos - super informative and have been very educational for me, much appreciated!

So after about 10 years of natural training (I'm 26 years old), I decided to pull the trigger and order an 8-week Oral only Stack with PCT included (from a Canadian lab called "DYNATECH Research"). I'm coming off the worst year of training in my life - fell deep into depression and drug use after losing a family member and best friend to suicide. Anyways, I'm on the better side now after 6 months in rehab and therapy I'm almost back to my good days of training, nutrition, and healthy lifestyle. My vitals are normal, and genetically I have very good cholesterol levels.

Anyways! TMI maybe, but like I said I'm 26 years old, 6'2" at 200 lbs (~12% BF). I'm really just looking to put on some more lean muscle, size, and strength.

Here is the stack I ordered which arrives next week and the "instructions" if you will, from the seller. I know Oral Only cycles are not ideal but I'm not ready to make the jump to injections at this point. If anything sticks out to you, changes you would make, or any kind of input I would really, genuinely appreciate it. I will be buying MilkThistle and Hawthorne Berry as well, based on what I've seen in your videos.

Week1:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week2:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week3:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week4:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week5:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week6:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week7:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week8:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week9:
N/A xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Week 10(PCT starts):
Nolvadex 40mg/day, Clomid 100mg/day

Week11:
Nolvadex 40mg/day, Clomid 100mg/day

Week12:
Nolvadex 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day

Week13:
Nolvadex 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day

I apologize for the long read. If you do have a chance to look this over and give me any advice I would really appreciate it. Thank you for your educational videos and keep up the good work man!

 

[Sickening skittles]

you need test in this cycle and dont mix so many orals.

 

[TexasTrash]

If you compare the upsides and downsides of injectables and orals you really should be saying "Im not ready to make the jump to orals yet."

In other words, the negative consequences of injecting is a very slight pain and having to overcome the stigma of using a needle. The consequences of orals are FAR worse.

I would encourage you to be open to advice on injectables/orals and reconsider the oral only route. Your health and gains are whats at stake.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

No brother please don't run that cycle. Mixing that many orals and running them for 8 weeks straight is ridiculously stupid. Orals shouldn't be ran that long and they shouldn't be ran alone without a test base. If you're scared to pin, that is something you need to get over or aas simply isn't for you. For your first cycle, stick to test only. Start with a lower dose and see how your body responds. You will make huge gains as long as your training and diet are spot on.

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[DylanGemelli]

Hey Dylan,

First off, big fan of your YouTube channel and videos - super informative and have been very educational for me, much appreciated!

So after about 10 years of natural training (I'm 26 years old), I decided to pull the trigger and order an 8-week Oral only Stack with PCT included (from a Canadian lab called "DYNATECH Research"). I'm coming off the worst year of training in my life - fell deep into depression and drug use after losing a family member and best friend to suicide. Anyways, I'm on the better side now after 6 months in rehab and therapy I'm almost back to my good days of training, nutrition, and healthy lifestyle. My vitals are normal, and genetically I have very good cholesterol levels.

Anyways! TMI maybe, but like I said I'm 26 years old, 6'2" at 200 lbs (~12% BF). I'm really just looking to put on some more lean muscle, size, and strength.

Here is the stack I ordered which arrives next week and the "instructions" if you will, from the seller. I know Oral Only cycles are not ideal but I'm not ready to make the jump to injections at this point. If anything sticks out to you, changes you would make, or any kind of input I would really, genuinely appreciate it. I will be buying MilkThistle and Hawthorne Berry as well, based on what I've seen in your videos.

Week1:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week2:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week3:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week4:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week5:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week6:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week7:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week8:
Anavar 50mg/day, Winstrol 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day

Week9:
N/A xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Week 10(PCT starts):
Nolvadex 40mg/day, Clomid 100mg/day

Week11:
Nolvadex 40mg/day, Clomid 100mg/day

Week12:
Nolvadex 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day

Week13:
Nolvadex 20mg/day, Clomid 50mg/day

I apologize for the long read. If you do have a chance to look this over and give me any advice I would really appreciate it. Thank you for your educational videos and keep up the good work man!

bro, where on earth did you come up with that type of cycle? that is as bad as it gets... to start, its oral only, which is bad enough but to top that off your running 2 orals at full dosing stacked with each other... are you trying to do as much damage as possible to yourself? that is so dangerous of a cycle and i highly doubt you ordered any sort of complete pct whatsoever... i urge you not to follow through with this absurdity or your going to end up coming back later wondering what went wrong...

 

[JackSteel]

I'm calling this thread out as a troll. This has gone past ridiculous into the realm of obvious trolling.


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[timeshress]

bro, where on earth did you come up with that type of cycle? that is as bad as it gets... to start, its oral only, which is bad enough but to top that off your running 2 orals at full dosing stacked with each other... are you trying to do as much damage as possible to yourself? that is so dangerous of a cycle and i highly doubt you ordered any sort of complete pct whatsoever... i urge you not to follow through with this absurdity or your going to end up coming back later wondering what went wrong...

Thanks for the feedback - everyone. Seriously. Somehow I had a strong feeling that the "Oral Only" cycle would go up in flames on the forums, but I still was ignorant enough to turn a blind eye and ordered this "stack" before I did more homework ... or any at all when it comes to mixing different orals (and I know, I know - "test is best"... and will likely be something I'll have to invest in sooner than I thought). I can only really blame myself because I was just a dumb sheep here, but I will admit that I am also enraged that the company / lab I ordered this from would a) put together a stack this inefficient / harmful for sale AND b) construct the "step by step" cycle + PCT (or lack thereof?) program which is again - harmful and inefficient as I'm quickly learning here. I literally copy+pasted the program designed by the manufacturer; I didn't pull these oral combinations and mg's out of my ass... Even if it looks that way.

Now... Given where I am at - the order has been paid for, and shipped - what can I do to salvage anything here, assuming it will take some time for me to fund and order/ship anything else for the time being? Essentially what I'm asking is, what is the best and most efficient thing I can change here to get the absolute most out of the pills that are included /landing on my doorstep next week? Can anyone chime in on this at all? I would really appreciate it... I admit that I deserve being flamed and scolded for being an ignorant sheep here (facepalms all around...) but I have to think there can be some changes made - even if I do have to shelve 30%+ of whats in here and save it for another cycle, or whatever the case may be.

Again, thanks for the warnings here and not being dicks and just letting me rot my liver away. If there's any kind of constructive information you can throw my way based on where I sit right now, I would really, really appreciate it. I invested a lot of money into this garbage and obviously I'm bummed out vs. how excited I was to start.

Cheers guys.
frost

 

[suraonyx23]

Why would you be enraged? They don't give a fuck about you lol. Stop thinking they have your best interests in mind.

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[drb_iac]

lil bro...there is a saying that all steroids are subordinate to testosterone. It is the king. By subordinate I mean that anything else you take has to be used along with test first if you want the full effect and the healthy effect. Now orals are way way subordinate to test, and should be used latter on after quite a few test cyces. Orals work best in cycles like 300test/300deca + oral...either dbol, adrol,winny,tbol and even anavar. Anavar along with test is for latter after you have made lots of gains. Not right now.It will not be effective as it could be, and could shut you down, causing future problems

 

[timeshress]

Why would you be enraged? They don't give a fuck about you lol. Stop thinking they have your best interests in mind.

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Fair enough. Money is money. I don't think have my best interests in mind. I suppose it's more like, why would you risk your reputation (the manufacturer) by putting such a ludicrous combination together, while also "risking lives" or at least serious harm? I don't know.

Anyways, I took the bait so hey, why not.

I agree with everyone. Don't run it, it's toxic and ridiculous. Stay around and learn from the pros the real way to cycle. Who cares about how much money you spent. Your health don't have a price tag.

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Thank you, agreed. There's an obvious amount of catching up I have to do on the educational side of AAS and not being a complete moron moving forward quite frankly. "you don't have a price tag" does resonate.

Are you inferring that everything here is just useless garbage though..? From what I can recall from Dylan's video's, things like Anavar, Proviron, (even Winny..?) are often run alone (albeit, perhaps more so at the end of a cycle (Var, Prov.) than building a starter f***ing cycle around them... lol) and I don't want to directly quote him on anything - but he did talk about how you can, or he has seen people, make decent quality, sustainable gains on an Anavar only cycle, for 1 example. I guess it's not fair to ask you to do the homework for me here, but my goal was/is to try and make the most out of the stuff that I'm getting. But hey, I'm sure you could make a point that everything should just be put on hold until I get more pieces of the puzzle, and apply them in a more efficient manner, if you will. Again, I'm really just hoping there is some aspect of the ~$400+ stack I bought that can be put to good use, even if it is just 1/3 + the PCT. Anyways, appreciate you chiming in.

 

[timeshress]

lil bro...there is a saying that all steroids are subordinate to testosterone. It is the king. By subordinate I mean that anything else you take has to be used along with test first if you want the full effect and the healthy effect. Now orals are way way subordinate to test, and should be used latter on after quite a few test cyces. Orals work best in cycles like 300test/300deca + oral...either dbol, adrol,winny,tbol and even anavar. Anavar along with test is for latter after you have made lots of gains. Not right now.It will not be effective as it could be, and could shut you down, causing future problems

I see. So ultimately - I shouldn't even bother opening the box until I have a few more tools, to say the least. Man... "fucking up my first leap into the steroid world" would be an understatement, shit... It really was less about not wanting to inject due to fear of needles, but more so that I really just wanted that "little edge" on my training and physique after the year and a half I've had (if you saw the initial forum post) and Anavar has been thrown around so much lately in my community, like Winny was in college. Live and learn I guess :|

Anyways, thanks for the input drb_iac.

 

[timeshress]

At your stats why can't you just get some test, and slowly add in one oral per cycle. No need rush it. Run 12 weeks like 250/300 test. Pct, wait, then do the next one but add in one oral.

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Okay, makes sense. I guess I just wanted to dip my toes in the AAS world to get some fire back after a tough year 1/2 (referring to the initial thread post) and I just kinda bought a bunch of random shit, which was packaged up nicely as a functional stack. Thanks for the input, appreciate it.

 

[timeshress]

Did your buy that at a store? Your stack

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I bought it online, through the Nucleus Market on Tor.