Newbie needs some guidance

[Dthraider]

First if you read this Dylan thanks for helping with my registration so I can finally post,

41yo 5'10" 205 lbs. I figure 20%bf . A recent physical doc said all was good test was 326 which he said was good ??? I've been working out on and off for the last 15 years. I'm eat pretty clean no junk food and very little alcohol. My current workout is an hour of cardio first thing in the morning before I eat. After work it's back to the gym to actually lift. I've never used any gear except for store bought stuff.
My questions start with SARMS, should I be trying to lose weight first then add muscle ? . Is it possible to lose weight and add muscle at the same time ? What stack would you suggest for either. Am I training too much ? . What effects will sarms have on my test levels ?. I was thinking of taking 4 iu's of Hgh with sarms is that a good idea ? I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road but thanks in advance for everyone's input .

 

[EZ_E]

I disagree with the doc that 326 test is good. You may be a candidate for TRT. Google symptoms of Low T and let me know if you have any.

Good start with the fasted cardio.

Don't drink booze.

We don't know if you're training too much because we're not mind readers on your training regime. Days, protocol, etc.

I'm not even going to comment on the mention of GH.

Welcome to the board.

 

[Saiyan]

Welcome bro. Saying 326 is good is a damn joke. Unless you feel good? If you feel good, then your body works well with it. I personally felt like half death at that level.
With your stats, I would suggest working on decreasing bf% first. That being said, size can still be added while "slimming down". I'm running a little short on time so I'll throw up a SARM stack in a bit. Someone may best me to it though lol.


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[RickRock]

First if you read this Dylan thanks for helping with my registration so I can finally post,

41yo 5'10" 205 lbs. I figure 20%bf . A recent physical doc said all was good test was 326 which he said was good ??? I've been working out on and off for the last 15 years. I'm eat pretty clean no junk food and very little alcohol. My current workout is an hour of cardio first thing in the morning before I eat. After work it's back to the gym to actually lift. I've never used any gear except for store bought stuff.
My questions start with SARMS, should I be trying to lose weight first then add muscle ? . Is it possible to lose weight and add muscle at the same time ? What stack would you suggest for either. Am I training too much ? . What effects will sarms have on my test levels ?. I was thinking of taking 4 iu's of Hgh with sarms is that a good idea ? I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road but thanks in advance for everyone's input .

326 is definitely not a good number at all. You want to be middle range at least 600 or so and preferably up to 800 or 900. I would talk to your doc about TRT options or find a doc that will advise you

You denfitely want to drop some bodyfat first and foremost. A good sarms stack can help you with that and here is what I'd recommend to you. Get everything from www.sarmsx.com

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/enhanced-super-stack-12-weeks

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)


PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

 

[DylanGemelli]

Welcome bro. Saying 326 is good is a damn joke. Unless you feel good? If you feel good, then your body works well with it. I personally felt like half death at that level.
With your stats, I would suggest working on decreasing bf% first. That being said, size can still be added while "slimming down". I'm running a little short on time so I'll throw up a SARM stack in a bit. Someone may best me to it though lol.


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yeah, im way past lost on how any doctor could say that's good... that's good for jack shit... thats good if you like to feel like shit, and not gain muscle etc... thats so low its absurd... thats basically a lot T syndrome range... wtf is going on in the world?

 

[DylanGemelli]

like i said, im only a couple years from a doctorate... i might as well just do it for fucks sake...

 

[DylanGemelli]

First if you read this Dylan thanks for helping with my registration so I can finally post,

41yo 5'10" 205 lbs. I figure 20%bf . A recent physical doc said all was good test was 326 which he said was good ??? I've been working out on and off for the last 15 years. I'm eat pretty clean no junk food and very little alcohol. My current workout is an hour of cardio first thing in the morning before I eat. After work it's back to the gym to actually lift. I've never used any gear except for store bought stuff.
My questions start with SARMS, should I be trying to lose weight first then add muscle ? . Is it possible to lose weight and add muscle at the same time ? What stack would you suggest for either. Am I training too much ? . What effects will sarms have on my test levels ?. I was thinking of taking 4 iu's of Hgh with sarms is that a good idea ? I'm sure I'll have more questions down the road but thanks in advance for everyone's input .

so you have a lot to learn here bro... of course you can drop weight and build muscle... thats called a recomposition... its what every bodybuilder truly desires but its not easy whatsoever... the beauty of sarms is they prevent muscle wastage... they are the ultimate for a recomp but your overweight bro... 20% is not a healthy range... you have to drop first... you don't have to sacrifice muscle whatsoever but your goal moving forward starts with dropping body fat.. you need to get it much lower to get into a healthy range... sarms can enhance this to a far higher extent.. i have the perfect cycle layout for you... here is a link to buy the stack as well as the layout on how to run it... it is the enhanced super stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/enhanced-super-stack-12-weeks?sort=p.price&order=DESC and https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1?sort=p.price&order=DESC


1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Taurus]

yeah, im way past lost on how any doctor could say that's good... that's good for jack shit... thats good if you like to feel like shit, and not gain muscle etc... thats so low its absurd... thats basically a lot T syndrome range... wtf is going on in the world?

Good question Dylan. I was at 247 a few years ago feeling like shit and my Dr said my testosterone was a little low but everything looks great. Didn't mention TRT or anything. I'm wondering if their afraid of bullshit lawsuits or something because even my endo that I'm now seeing is wanti ng it to be around the 400 range even though I'm tired as fuck all the time and feel like shit. WTF??

 

[EZ_E]

Good question Dylan. I was at 247 a few years ago feeling like shit and my Dr said my testosterone was a little low but everything looks great. Didn't mention TRT or anything. I'm wondering if their afraid of bullshit lawsuits or something because even my endo that I'm now seeing is wanti ng it to be around the 400 range even though I'm tired as fuck all the time and feel like shit. WTF??

You have Low T dude...based on what said in your 1st post & what you just wrote ^^^ and IMO; you should be on TRT.

 

[Dthraider]

Thanks for the responses guys I really appreciate all the help and yes I do have a lot to learn. I think I feel OK but how would I know if I've had low T for a while I'm probably used to feeling like shit and don't even realize it . Dylan I'm going to order the suggested stack right away and if I understood correctly I won't start a TRT or HGH until my bf% is closer to 10% ?
Again thanks for all the advice you guys are awesome !!!

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Thanks for the responses guys I really appreciate all the help and yes I do have a lot to learn. I think I feel OK but how would I know if I've had low T for a while I'm probably used to feeling like shit and don't even realize it . Dylan I'm going to order the suggested stack right away and if I understood correctly I won't start a TRT or HGH until my bf% is closer to 10% ?
Again thanks for all the advice you guys are awesome !!!

Trt is much different than cycling bud. It sounds like you have low t based on symptoms and numbers, if thats the case, thats not "normal" and trt would bring you back to what is considered "normal". Blasting and using doses much higher than anyone could naturally produce is when you want to be conscious of your bf%. I would say get with a new doc who cares and listens to you so you can work with him to get your levels where they should be.

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[buen]

It is well studied... High bf significantly lowers testosterone
Get your bf down below 15% and then see what your natural testosterone is

 

[EZ_E]

Your bodyfat is 20% BECAUSE you have Low T. You NEED to get on TRT NOW to HELP combat the HIGH bodyfat and FEELING LIKE SHIT.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Your bodyfat is 20% BECAUSE you have Low T. You NEED to get on TRT NOW to HELP combat the HIGH bodyfat and FEELING LIKE SHIT.

exactly... its an entirely different concept... you dont blast cycles at a high body fat whatsoever but many require trt to get levels proper so they can start burning fat... however as buen pointed out, elevated body fat damn sure lowers testosterone so getting your body fat down is key... so if you have a condtion that is not allowing you to burn fat, then that needs addressed first... you need to try to burn fat on your own first but if you find that it is not happening and your doing everything the right way then you would look at trt...

 

[EZ_E]

Dthraider; you ARE thinking along the right track, which is a smart move.

Do you have any of these other symptoms:

Low libido or sex drive
•Erectile dysfunction or impotence
•Fatigue and lethargy
•Muscle weakness
•Shaving less often, loss of body hair
•Breast growth
•Reduced testicle size Skin changes on the skin, smooth, fine wrinkles

 

[Dthraider]

Low libido or sex drive.............................yes
•Erectile dysfunction or impotence............no
•Fatigue and lethargy..............................yes
•Muscle weakness..................................yes
•Shaving less often, loss of body hair........no
•Breast growth......................................no
•Reduced testicle size Skin changes on the skin, smooth, fine wrinkles........no

 

[RickRock]

You definitely need to address this low T issue which is likely contributing to a number of the issues you are having

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[Dthraider]

Ok Dylan before I even consider anything else I'm going to do the SARMS stack you recommended and see how that goes

 

[EZ_E]

Ok Dylan before I even consider anything else I'm going to do the SARMS stack you recommended and see how that goes

You should still get a blood test bossman.

 

[buen]

You definitely need to address this low T issue which is likely contributing to a number of the issues you are having

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

Only a qualified Dr ( hopefully an Endrocrinologist)
can accurately do it this

There are MANY causes of low T that are treatable without TRT

Alcohol
Opiates
High bf
Cortisteroids
Stress
Low iron
Low zinc
Low free T due to high prolactin
One lab result doesn't mean anything more than further investigation is needed
Lab values vary widely due to testing time and conditions
It's best to draw blood early morning fasting