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Give it another 2-3 months then retest your blood
New Bloods post PCT - need advice
- Thread starter Jimbo
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Give it another 2-3 months then retest your blood
Is it normal to get some restlessness and anxiety from taking the Serms? I was having some of the best sleep of my life, thanks to the MK 677, right before starting them. Now I wake up every hour or so, with my mind racing, restless, etc. The only other product I'm taking is GW and I've heard the Serms can cause this.
If I stop the Serms– and just did hCG – would that provide any benefit or make things worse?
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What time of day do you dose the serms? It is possible they can cause anxiety and other sides for some people but generally if you dose them before bed you shouldn't get any sides.
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That's not normal for serms to cause those issues at recommended doses. You want to keep them in there for recovery
DO NOT use HCG. That is completely detrimental and counterproductive to your recovery. It needs ran on cycle at the end. Not off cycle or in pct
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I've tried them both times with the same result. I may go EOD wit the Clomid and see how that goes - along with Nolvadex and AI
Do you think Nolva and an AI would suffice - I saw some protocols regarding that on line
Also - there was this guy Anthony Roberts who wrote a piece about Nolvadex, Aromasin and HCG in PCT and what they work - which was why I brought it up. It's from 2005 and I haven't seen much from this guy since:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...83184-post-cycle-therapy-anthony-roberts.html
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I think I'm pulling the trigger and going on TRT. My doc had been pushing this for months because my T levels were very sporadic (even though good for someone my age). Besides - at 50 years old - they are only going down so why not try it. At least I can blast some gear and not have to PCT - which sucks ass (especially for someone my age). Hope I'm not jumping the gun too much but that's my current thought. Got some HCG, Androgel and Aromidex coming from the doc.
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That's totally your call man, but if I were in your shoes I would try to recover natural test levels and if they are still low after a few months, then go the trt route.
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Jimbo - I feel you. Late 40's/early 50's shouldn't mean that we have such a hard time recovering! I've been in PCT for 4+ weeks after crashing hard with LGD, and while I think my test levels have recovered a bit (i'm getting night erections, and a bit of acne), my libido is still missing in action. My interest in sex has vanished. It sucks. I expect to get blood results tomorrow to see what's going on.
Good luck with the bloods and LMK. The funny thing is - I felt pretty good and was totally surprised that my T level was 178. Would have never thought it was that low.
The libido thing affects me as well - sort of have periods of decent libido but (more than lately - not so good). This was when my test level was higher as well.
I will say this - and this is one of the reasons I'm just going for TRT: last year I was at a college reunion and a doc buddy gave me some Androgel. I used it for 3 days and it was like every problem I had was solved (more energy, woods, libido, clearer thinking,etc). I never went full out on it. But to your point – the other thing that pushed me over the edge was a hard time recovering from even a low dose SARMs cycle. It wouldn't be worth it to me to do an 8 to 12 week cycle – and then spend the next year trying to recover before my next one. I suppose I could get some RX grade serms and give the pct another go, but I don't think it's going to be sustainable.
Good look with the bloods bro and keep me posted.
Just a quick update – in case anybody's interested – after researching things quite a bit – speaking to a couple of bodybuilders, and some docs - I am starting a modified HPTA restart protocol. I am pinning 500 cc of hCG every other day as well as taking .5 mg of Arimidex E3d. I will keep this up for about a month or so – get tested to make sure that testosterone and E2 is in check – and then start taking Serms (likely pharma grade Nolva with an AI like Aromisin). I simply can't handle the Clomid. I realize that the hCG is going to tank my LH – but I've also read numerous reports from people who have use this protocol successfully – the idea being it's easier to restart the LH when there's more testosterone in the tank so to speak. Incidentally – I'm about 1.5 weeks into this and feel absolutely fantastic. The hCG and Arimidex leaned me out even further – and I've actually increased my strength quite a bit in such a short time – almost feels as good as a Roid cycle – no exaggeration
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Great man glad to hear you are giving it one more shot instead of jumping on TRT. One thing I would reccomend is using aromasin instead of arimidex as adex tends to cause estrogen rebound when discontinued. You can get some legit aromasin from any sponsors here or ask your doc (they usually don't prescribe it because it's too expensive but you can ask)
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I thought the normal "mini" pct for a sarms cycle was a simple clomid for 4 weeks 20/20/10/10. The Pct he posted wasn't too different from what the OP posted Nolva at 20/20/15/10. Has the protocol for a sarms pct changed since then? Or do I have something incorrect here?
Hi. I'm the Op and let me see if I can explain. Protocol for Sarms is still a mini PCT using Clomid as you pointed out (however the dosing is more like 50/25/25/25. For several reasons - I opted not to use Clomid and went with Nolvadex. My problem is that I did not recover so it's one of several factors: 1) Nolva was bunk but I have faith in SarmsX so I doubt that, 2) Nolva is not as strong as an LH agonist as Clomid so despite the two being relatively interchangeable- it's not the case or 3) my age is making recovery very difficult.
I tried another PCT using both Clomid and Nolvadex (referred to as a full PCT at Nolva 40 and Clomid 50 - but I couldn't stand the sides (likely from Clomid).
This leaves me with running an HPTA restart that involves HCG to get the balls producing Test and then switch over to a pharma grade Serm (hopefully Nolvadex). If either of these phases fail it's TRT time.
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Just continuing this thread as a sort of log on recovery....
Been blasting HCG 500IU Eod for three weeks and all I can say is holy shit this stuff works. Latest bloods are as follows:
Total T 962 Ng/dl (250-1100)
Free T 250 pg/ml (35-150)
LH 0.2 (1.5-9.3)
Estradiol 60 pg/ml (<39). H
Cholesterol 174
Hdl 79
LDL 82
PSA 0.8
Prolactin 5
All other values are normal
So the HCG has definitely jacked up my T levels from my last labs in a short timeframe. No wonder I've been feeling great. I need to get my Estrogen down. I've been currently taking .25mg Adex 2x/week but will bump it to .5mg Eod. Hate this stuff though. Whenever I take .5mg I get lightheaded, anxious and hot flashes. I actually thought that my E was too low and I was crashing - boy was I way off.
The next phase of this protocol – is to run some Nolvadex while stopping the hCG. I have an appointment with an Endo on Friday – hopefully he will get me some – but I put in an order from an underground labs just in case. There's also part of me that wants to just stay on this and cruise at a nice healthy testosterone range around 1000.
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Been blasting HCG 500IU Eod for three weeks and all I can say is holy shit this stuff works. Latest bloods are as follows:
Total T 962 Ng/dl (250-1100)
Free T 250 pg/ml (35-150)
LH 0.2 (1.5-9.3)
Estradiol 60 pg/ml (<39). H
Cholesterol 174
Hdl 79
LDL 82
PSA 0.8
Prolactin 5
All other values are normal
So the HCG has definitely jacked up my T levels from my last labs in a short timeframe. No wonder I've been feeling great. I need to get my Estrogen down. I've been currently taking .25mg Adex 2x/week but will bump it to .5mg Eod. Hate this stuff though. Whenever I take .5mg I get lightheaded, anxious and hot flashes. I actually thought that my E was too low and I was crashing - boy was I way off.
The next phase of this protocol – is to run some Nolvadex while stopping the hCG. I have an appointment with an Endo on Friday – hopefully he will get me some – but I put in an order from an underground labs just in case. There's also part of me that wants to just stay on this and cruise at a nice healthy testosterone range around 1000.
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You definitely don't want to just sty on HCG bud. It's good but you can only run it for short durations. Running long term actually becomes counterproductive. The idea with HCG is to use it for a few weeks then get off of it. You technically don't start recovery until you come off of it
