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keto diet (extreme fat loss) + GW ,but one DILEMMA !

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Dima999

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Does Pepsi Max, Cola Diet, Cola Zero , or any soft drinks with no added sugar(no carbs) , could ruin your Ketosis ?I know that is everything about calories in vs calories out so from the first shoot i take out less calories by drinking those. Also i have to uptake my vitamins and minerals intake,due to the phosphoric acid ( sorry for not spelling well) , among others. But I do know that this diet /lifestyle ( KETO DIET ) is also about reseting your hormones and everything in your body. But also it does suck. By far i got into thr 5 th day, binging on pounds of butter fried bacon, ribs, grills, and pretty much all those ”nasty foods” except for carbs ( keto diet ). I woud like to know and apreciate your further anwsears, if those soft drinks lead to any kinds of perturbations or slowling down the process. I went on many forums but 10 guys with 10 different ideas. So, in other words, is the KETO DIET all about not having carbs at all ( except for some fibers/vegetables) OR taking the carbs and those soft sweet no sugar drinks too ? What would be more otpimal ?

PS. GW (i grabbed some ,due to its policy as a research chem, with mk would be hell a lot more complicated, but in the next future hopefully i m blasting some ,form here ) 40 mg EOD for 50 days starting in a few days, 20mg morning 20-30 mg before i get to bed

PS. Each time i get some vegetables(not legumes) or soft ,no calorie drink i feel that i ve cheated.
 
Dima999 said:
Does Pepsi Max, Cola Diet, Cola Zero , or any soft drinks with no added sugar(no carbs) , could ruin your Ketosis ?I know that is everything about calories in vs calories out so from the first shoot i take out less calories by drinking those. Also i have to uptake my vitamins and minerals intake,due to the phosphoric acid ( sorry for not spelling well) , among others. But I do know that this diet /lifestyle ( KETO DIET ) is also about reseting your hormones and everything in your body. But also it does suck. By far i got into thr 5 th day, binging on pounds of butter fried bacon, ribs, grills, and pretty much all those ”nasty foods” except for carbs ( keto diet ). I woud like to know and apreciate your further anwsears, if those soft drinks lead to any kinds of perturbations or slowling down the process. I went on many forums but 10 guys with 10 different ideas. So, in other words, is the KETO DIET all about not having carbs at all ( except for some fibers/vegetables) OR taking the carbs and those soft sweet no sugar drinks too ? What would be more otpimal ?

PS. GW (i grabbed some ,due to its policy as a research chem, with mk would be hell a lot more complicated, but in the next future hopefully i m blasting some ,form here ) 40 mg EOD for 50 days starting in a few days, 20mg morning 20-30 mg before i get to bed

PS. Each time i get some vegetables(not legumes) or soft ,no calorie drink i feel that i ve cheated.
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The only thing that breaks ketosis is carbs.

Where did you get your GW from? The correct dose on that is 20mg per day. There is no need to run more
 
I'd stay away from sugar free Soda, he artificial sweeteers do affect your blood glucose levels.
do some tea with stevia instead
 
RickRock said:
The only thing that breaks ketosis is carbs
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AFAIK this comment is incorrect, protein can also break ketosis via Gluconeogenesis - how much protein an individual can consume varies from person to person but I am aware of people than can only consume in the region of 0.4 to 0.5 g of protein per lb of body weight before they have been kicked out, admittedly these maybe be sedentary and obese people
 
mickc1965 said:
AFAIK this comment is incorrect, protein can also break ketosis via Gluconeogenesis - how much protein an individual can consume varies from person to person but I am aware of people than can only consume in the region of 0.4 to 0.5 g of protein per lb of body weight before they have been kicked out, admittedly these maybe be sedentary and obese people
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while it is true that your body can convert protein to glucose, Most bodybuilders that do a keto diet will consume extremely high levels of protein. Generally around 1.5-2g per pound of bodyweight many times with great success. I don't follow keto and never would, but I'd rather consume enough protein to meet my muscle needs and with some being converted to glucose than to sacrifice muscle tissue by consuming too little
 
I don't disagree with you, the most important element of nutrition in our game is protein, I personally stick to a lowish carb diet (100g or less) when cutting for satiety reasons I did recently go sub 50g in an attempt to remove the stubborn lower belly fat (oh the joys of middle age) with no more success. I am currently transitioning into a bulk where I will keep carbs lowish (~100g) as I do feel significantly better than when consuming 200g+ of carbs.


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Good anwsears !

I take the GW at once in morning as i find very hard to sleep at night,or at all. Almost a week. I feel good, i have more strenght,no carb flu, but i no more eat that much, both calorical and as quantity. But sometimes i have massive cravings for a gigantic pizza or just normal soda,cola. But i know if i allow myself to bite a bit, everything will be F*CKED. I lost about 7 pounds,and i didn t lost any pump, i m more hard now, but not big anymore,the only that bothers me is the time to prepare meals, so for the past 2 days i only ate butter fried bacon and eggs,like i wanna eat something else too, like fast snacks, carbs free. I don t know, i m gona keep this lifestyle till i m gonna see MORE results or im gonna fall, i hope to not fall that hard :)


So drinking sweet drinks,carb free ,DOES slow down your ketosis ?


PS: What about evoltionary diet ? IS this allowing carbs too ? I think that for a good fat loss ketosis is needed for a month or so, and then some ”good” complex ,simple carbs here and there
 
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do yourself a favor and do not follow anything on evolutionary...

why are you even drinking that bull shit? those diet sodas are horrible for you as are the sweet drinks you are talking about... you need to just learn self control man... thats it.. all of that shit is a detriment to what you are doing... so the better question is "should you even be drinking them" and the answer is flat out NO...
 
As far as keto and protien goes and hear comes the arguement. But the ketogenic diet made popular by atkins was targeted in the begging and most literature still is at sedintary obeise individuals . UNUSED PROTIEN will convertert to glucose and have the possibility of stopping ketosis . Now someone doing intemse resistance training and cardio daily will have a higher carb number for staying in ketosis also a bodybuilder on anabolic steroids is going too be using up that gram per lb easily so even if a little of it is converted too glucose you burn that up so fast training its rediculous . remeber those guidlines were meant for some fat fuck that doesnt get off his couch
 
I believe that this diet was made long time ago . Very very long time ago. While we were eating raw meat some leftovers from predators such as lions. We weren”t into carbs that much. Sometimes the spirits was guiding you to a nest and there you have the honey. Sometimes you run after a pig and you eat that whole fucker with fat. Well you wait for your turn, unless you re all alone. Other times you just eat an other human becouse the trib was suffering. The most source of energy was fat and the fat allways comes with the proteins. And here and there carbs. This is not a diet. It is more like a lifestyle. This you was supposed to be and do, but heck now we have TV and cuisine. Nothing wrong with that. The only lack in everything ,a major problem also, is moderation. Or well better said is the lack of it.Nothing wrong to eat a gigantic pizza to not sleep 2 days in a raw and do some legal chemicals here and there. But not everyday. That is addiction. And what s worst thatn this ? Call it conspiration, but i do know and believe that our chances are reduced by some ..maniacs willing for us not only to stay ”blind” - overall- but also to choose whatever is sick for our minds and bodies. OR they just limit our choices. You have 10 diets and all bad for you even thou in theory /on a oiece of paper everything is making sense. I don t know man i just believe in this more than in others, but at the first is moderation. What benefits would be in eating 4pounds of fat each day? Or 800 grams of proteins each day ? As you said , for an pro BB this diet is nonsense. You could pretty much eat allmost everything you want as long you don t cross the calories intake due to those ”prescripted drugs” . But if naturally you want to increase your recovery time by 40 % just by dieting, and strenght with more than 50%,to be more in health overall and break up with those mind bad person fuckers. this is the one ticket way to go. Nothing wrong in BB , steroids and massive amount of carbs&calories. But at one point if you consider to stop this lifestyle and ”reset” your everything inside your body, i would recomand this. I cannot believe what i m capable of, and i m by far in the first heavy serious week. Could be placebo too. You still have to be in touch with a doctor in case shit gets bad, like you loose your minds meanwhile being broked and steal a pizza. OR some cookies from winmarkt. SHit happens. Give it
a shot. I would even go that far to say that Arnold was more into this type of diet after he met Vince Gironda. Bottom line is this : The best things in this world does not cost anything. Heatlh should be free. But to get it back ussually costs you. Allot.
 
Dima999 said:
Does Pepsi Max, Cola Diet, Cola Zero , or any soft drinks with no added sugar(no carbs) , could ruin your Ketosis ?I know that is everything about calories in vs calories out so from the first shoot i take out less calories by drinking those. Also i have to uptake my vitamins and minerals intake,due to the phosphoric acid ( sorry for not spelling well) , among others. But I do know that this diet /lifestyle ( KETO DIET ) is also about reseting your hormones and everything in your body. But also it does suck. By far i got into thr 5 th day, binging on pounds of butter fried bacon, ribs, grills, and pretty much all those ”nasty foods” except for carbs ( keto diet ). I woud like to know and apreciate your further anwsears, if those soft drinks lead to any kinds of perturbations or slowling down the process. I went on many forums but 10 guys with 10 different ideas. So, in other words, is the KETO DIET all about not having carbs at all ( except for some fibers/vegetables) OR taking the carbs and those soft sweet no sugar drinks too ? What would be more otpimal ?

PS. GW (i grabbed some ,due to its policy as a research chem, with mk would be hell a lot more complicated, but in the next future hopefully i m blasting some ,form here ) 40 mg EOD for 50 days starting in a few days, 20mg morning 20-30 mg before i get to bed

PS. Each time i get some vegetables(not legumes) or soft ,no calorie drink i feel that i ve cheated.
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dude i would not be drinking that Trash. its packed full of artifical bullcrap and sodium.

my experience with Keto diet is that it is definitely not for everyone. and only a select few respond well to it. i have a friend who i made his macros for, 75g carbs a day, and he gained inches on arms legs and chest on 75g carbs a day. his body just does not process carbs well.

keep in mind KETO does not mean free reign to eat any bullcrap. fried bacon and ribs and butter is trash bro. in moderation its ok but you dont want to be consuming large amounts of this stuff. you will overconsume saturated fats, sodium, nitrates, etc. the problem with KETO is alot of the meats and cheeses are sky high in sodium. you need to pay close attention to sodium, especially in cured meats.
 
Dima999 said:
Does Pepsi Max, Cola Diet, Cola Zero , or any soft drinks with no added sugar(no carbs) , could ruin your Ketosis ?I know that is everything about calories in vs calories out so from the first shoot i take out less calories by drinking those. Also i have to uptake my vitamins and minerals intake,due to the phosphoric acid ( sorry for not spelling well) , among others. But I do know that this diet /lifestyle ( KETO DIET ) is also about reseting your hormones and everything in your body. But also it does suck. By far i got into thr 5 th day, binging on pounds of butter fried bacon, ribs, grills, and pretty much all those ”nasty foods” except for carbs ( keto diet ). I woud like to know and apreciate your further anwsears, if those soft drinks lead to any kinds of perturbations or slowling down the process. I went on many forums but 10 guys with 10 different ideas. So, in other words, is the KETO DIET all about not having carbs at all ( except for some fibers/vegetables) OR taking the carbs and those soft sweet no sugar drinks too ? What would be more otpimal ?

PS. GW (i grabbed some ,due to its policy as a research chem, with mk would be hell a lot more complicated, but in the next future hopefully i m blasting some ,form here ) 40 mg EOD for 50 days starting in a few days, 20mg morning 20-30 mg before i get to bed

PS. Each time i get some vegetables(not legumes) or soft ,no calorie drink i feel that i ve cheated.
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Probably not but is it really good to drink a beverage with 4 different acids in it amongst other garbage? I quit drinking soda 5 years ago.within 30 days my joints were feeling better and muscle fatigue was less. Good luck on your ketosis.


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75 is not keto. that s LCHF. Salt is not the problem, actually the only problem with the real keto diet is that we are too much scared of eating animal fat. Please note that we are scared to eat enough salt 2, and i mean by ”salt” not that white shit from the promo local grocery next to the Captain America. WE need natural vitamins and minerals so we not just replace the lost water that got flushed with electrolytes but to add some more in the top of that . A good and healty salt is sea salt. Or go online and find some 30 somthing salts that you can t find them naturally in any type of modern food. I forgot the details hope im not wrong thou, if i am ,sorry ,look for it. And ...the next problem....Not enough fibers. And i m not talking about fruits. Yes you can get some piece of your furniture, that s fiber and no calories. But it is otpimal ?? No. Fibers has no taste. I hear no one eating cabbage on this diet. Or salad. No dressing. Or raw brocolli. Once you boile those fibers to ”get the taste” you have there some sugar. And i was talking from the beggining of KETO. Not LCHF and not Paleo. Even thou those 2 are... the shit ! Back to fruits. Me for example once I got into a piece of fruit I tend to eat more and some fucking more till I, for sure get over 35-40 grams of carbs at once to 400grams. ”yes but that s fruits ! its healty ” Sure it is. Nobody can argue about that. 1 kilo of green apples will allways beat the fuck out of 1 kilo of pizza -meatfeast- stuffed crusted with pp and garlic. I m not saying that you should do meth and cock to get rid of those carbs cravings but as long you are going to suffer for a little while... i don t know what to say, try to see the results ,the glory beyond your present tears, or just... man the fuck up. 100 years ago our grand grand fathers used to have 50% more testosterone and no it s not about the chemicals 100%. It s about carbs folks! they didn t have all of those 1000 types of pasta and 40 types of pizza and pancakes at breafast and #realfood before going to the gym (also natty). Carbs are the biggest bogus ,nowdays, at all the times... the biggest drug. There is no such drug as modern food. Yes ”they ”put those chemicals into everyfuckingthing, meat too. But you should just stay the fuck away from carbs. Try this shit for at least 14 days. Just try it. Get the minimum supplements you can put your hands on, the cheapest multivitamins&minerals. You gotta be a fucking zen to eat moderate carbs nowdays, unless you take drugs. Sorry. This is the truth. Its sucks. If you re willing to get into #KETO you should at least know what Ketosis is to not be that mad bro saying everywhere ”tried keto but it sucks !”



PS. Don t take it personal, sorry for my blamed language and poor english qualitty.
 
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