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Jamthe1

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Hey guys, I'm new here so I'll start with a presentation.
I'm 33 years old, 185cm tall, weighs around 85 kg.
Cycle history: ph, tbol, var, hgh which all was 5-6 years ago.
Until recently I had decided to never touch gear again because of gyno issues (2 times surgery) which probably started from my ph cycle where I didn't do any pct (yeah stupid, I know and leaned the hard way) and then it came back on both my two hgh cycles.

A year ago I found out that I've got HIV and my world fell apart for some month before I decided that I was going to straighten up and get back on track.
I started eating healthier, working out again, stop doing drugs and stop partying all the time and in combination with my daily HIV medication, the result is that the HIV virus now are undetectable in my blood samples.
I'm now more healthy than I've been for many years and I've regained most of the mass which I had lost after years of laziness, partying and at last my sickness, but unfortunately I've also gained more fat than I wished for.
I have recently watched a YouTube video of a bodybuilder who has HIV as well, who mentioned as I already knew that muscle mass is crucial when fighting sicknesses like HIV, cancer etc. and that made me start thinking about gear again.

First I decided to keep it simple with just tbol at 60-80 mg. ed. for 6 weeks followed by nolva as pct. Then I decided to add some proviron at 50 mg. ed. Then I decided to add albuterol 24 mg. ed. for the fat and cholesterol benefits. Finally I've ordered endurashred which has Osta 10mg and GW 7mg per serving which I would take twice a day.
Because of my fear for returning gyno I've bought both nolva, aromasin and letro just to be completely covered.
For supports and nutrition I have tudca, orange triads, fish oil, tongkat ali, glucosamine, beta alanine, citrulline malate and of course whey protein.

As everyone else I of course would love to gain as much lean mass and loose as much fat as possible and get the most pleasurable pct and recovering as possible.

Would it be best to combine all of the compounds or spilt it up in two cycles:
bulk (tbol/proviron)
cut (endurashred/albuterol)?

If all compounds are combined how would you set up the cycle?

I have read that some people has got gyno from osta so should I run a low dose aromasin with it and how much would be enough to prevent my existing small lump to flare up again?

I know that a test base will be everyone's advice but that's not an option right now.

Really appreciate if you would help me out guys.

Thanks in advance.
 
Jamthe1 said:
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'll start with a presentation.
I'm 33 years old, 185cm tall, weighs around 85 kg.
Cycle history: ph, tbol, var, hgh which all was 5-6 years ago.
Until recently I had decided to never touch gear again because of gyno issues (2 times surgery) which probably started from my ph cycle where I didn't do any pct (yeah stupid, I know and leaned the hard way) and then it came back on both my two hgh cycles.

A year ago I found out that I've got HIV and my world fell apart for some month before I decided that I was going to straighten up and get back on track.
I started eating healthier, working out again, stop doing drugs and stop partying all the time and in combination with my daily HIV medication, the result is that the HIV virus now are undetectable in my blood samples.
I'm now more healthy than I've been for many years and I've regained most of the mass which I had lost after years of laziness, partying and at last my sickness, but unfortunately I've also gained more fat than I wished for.
I have recently watched a YouTube video of a bodybuilder who has HIV as well, who mentioned as I already knew that muscle mass is crucial when fighting sicknesses like HIV, cancer etc. and that made me start thinking about gear again.

First I decided to keep it simple with just tbol at 60-80 mg. ed. for 6 weeks followed by nolva as pct. Then I decided to add some proviron at 50 mg. ed. Then I decided to add albuterol 24 mg. ed. for the fat and cholesterol benefits. Finally I've ordered endurashred which has Osta 10mg and GW 7mg per serving which I would take twice a day.
Because of my fear for returning gyno I've bought both nolva, aromasin and letro just to be completely covered.
For supports and nutrition I have tudca, orange triads, fish oil, tongkat ali, glucosamine, beta alanine, citrulline malate and of course whey protein.

As everyone else I of course would love to gain as much lean mass and loose as much fat as possible and get the most pleasurable pct and recovering as possible.

Would it be best to combine all of the compounds or spilt it up in two cycles:
bulk (tbol/proviron)
cut (endurashred/albuterol)?

If all compounds are combined how would you set up the cycle?

I have read that some people has got gyno from osta so should I run a low dose aromasin with it and how much would be enough to prevent my existing small lump to flare up again?

I know that a test base will be everyone's advice but that's not an option right now.

Really appreciate if you would help me out guys.

Thanks in advance.
This is a lot to discuss bro. My 95 year old mother is ready to come over for supp. First thing..do you have the book titled "Built to Survive"?
Maybe we can begin talking monday.After I scarf down about 2 chickens from the smoker!
 
Because of English not being my first language I'm not sure if you are making fun of me or want to help so before I misunderstand then please explain what you mean. I don't have the book you mention if that was a serious question.

By the way have I posted the wrong place cuz seems like it's under articles and info??
 
He is not making fun of you. Get the book. With u having hiv, this book is needed for you. It will save your life and give you a whole lot of inspiration.

Its basically a book written on how to turn your hiv life around with proper nutrition training and steroids.
 
Glad u have a fighting spirit! Never give up. Keep fighting dont let disease dictate ur life!
 
JM750 said:
He is not making fun of you. Get the book. With u having hiv, this book is needed for you. It will save your life and give you a whole lot of inspiration.

Its basically a book written on how to turn your hiv life around with proper nutrition training and steroids.

Great, I'll look into it ;-)
 
Just tried to set up some cycle examples with the compounds I have.

The first. Short recomp:

1-6 tbol 60 mg ed
1-6 proviron 50 mg ed
1-6 albuterol 24 mg ed
1-6 endurashred 2 caps ed
1-6 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
7-10 nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20 mg ed

The second I tried to make a big longer with what I have. Could be changed around so I started with tbol and proviron instead.
1-6 endurashred 2 caps ed
1-6 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
5-10 tbol 60 mg ed
5-10 proviron 50 mg ed
1-14 albuterol 24 mg ed
11-14 nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20 mg ed

The third. My thoughts are to bulk and then polish of with the sarms
1-6 tbol 80 mg ed
1-6 proviron 50 mg ed
7-10 endurashred 3 caps ed
7-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 albuterol 24 mg ed
11-14 nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20 mg ed

Which one would be most beneficial if any?
 
Hey bro. Glad you took my invitation! As I said I don't have the knowledge of some of these compound but you'll get the answers from the vets soon.
 
Saiyan said:
Hey bro. Glad you took my invitation! As I said I don't have the knowledge of some of these compound but you'll get the answers from the vets soon.

Yeah I'm glad too that it did, seems like a lot friendlier board with a lot of helpful people.
 
drb_iac said:
Jamthe1 said:
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'll start with a presentation.
I'm 33 years old, 185cm tall, weighs around 85 kg.
Cycle history: ph, tbol, var, hgh which all was 5-6 years ago.
Until recently I had decided to never touch gear again because of gyno issues (2 times surgery) which probably started from my ph cycle where I didn't do any pct (yeah stupid, I know and leaned the hard way) and then it came back on both my two hgh cycles.

A year ago I found out that I've got HIV and my world fell apart for some month before I decided that I was going to straighten up and get back on track.
I started eating healthier, working out again, stop doing drugs and stop partying all the time and in combination with my daily HIV medication, the result is that the HIV virus now are undetectable in my blood samples.
I'm now more healthy than I've been for many years and I've regained most of the mass which I had lost after years of laziness, partying and at last my sickness, but unfortunately I've also gained more fat than I wished for.
I have recently watched a YouTube video of a bodybuilder who has HIV as well, who mentioned as I already knew that muscle mass is crucial when fighting sicknesses like HIV, cancer etc. and that made me start thinking about gear again.

First I decided to keep it simple with just tbol at 60-80 mg. ed. for 6 weeks followed by nolva as pct. Then I decided to add some proviron at 50 mg. ed. Then I decided to add albuterol 24 mg. ed. for the fat and cholesterol benefits. Finally I've ordered endurashred which has Osta 10mg and GW 7mg per serving which I would take twice a day.
Because of my fear for returning gyno I've bought both nolva, aromasin and letro just to be completely covered.
For supports and nutrition I have tudca, orange triads, fish oil, tongkat ali, glucosamine, beta alanine, citrulline malate and of course whey protein.

As everyone else I of course would love to gain as much lean mass and loose as much fat as possible and get the most pleasurable pct and recovering as possible.

Would it be best to combine all of the compounds or spilt it up in two cycles:
bulk (tbol/proviron)
cut (endurashred/albuterol)?

If all compounds are combined how would you set up the cycle?

I have read that some people has got gyno from osta so should I run a low dose aromasin with it and how much would be enough to prevent my existing small lump to flare up again?

I know that a test base will be everyone's advice but that's not an option right now.

Really appreciate if you would help me out guys.

Thanks in advance.
This is a lot to discuss bro. My 95 year old mother is ready to come over for supp. First thing..do you have the book titled "Built to Survive"?
Maybe we can begin talking monday.After I scarf down about 2 chickens from the smoker!

Appreciate that you want to help me out bro and sorry if I sounded a bit sceptic about your answer but I'm used to get flamed or get useless/stupid answers at other boards. Glad that Saiyan invited me over here, seems like a very nice board indeed.
 
Someone told me that I should skip the GW and throw in sr9009 instead and that osta is a waste when I have an stronger anabolic in the cycle already (tbol). Any thoughts about this?
I already ordered the endurashred so wouldn't it be better to add it than throwing it away or does it only suppress me more without any benefits?
 
Jamthe1 said:
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'll start with a presentation.
I'm 33 years old, 185cm tall, weighs around 85 kg.
Cycle history: ph, tbol, var, hgh which all was 5-6 years ago.
Until recently I had decided to never touch gear again because of gyno issues (2 times surgery) which probably started from my ph cycle where I didn't do any pct (yeah stupid, I know and leaned the hard way) and then it came back on both my two hgh cycles.

A year ago I found out that I've got HIV and my world fell apart for some month before I decided that I was going to straighten up and get back on track.
I started eating healthier, working out again, stop doing drugs and stop partying all the time and in combination with my daily HIV medication, the result is that the HIV virus now are undetectable in my blood samples.
I'm now more healthy than I've been for many years and I've regained most of the mass which I had lost after years of laziness, partying and at last my sickness, but unfortunately I've also gained more fat than I wished for.
I have recently watched a YouTube video of a bodybuilder who has HIV as well, who mentioned as I already knew that muscle mass is crucial when fighting sicknesses like HIV, cancer etc. and that made me start thinking about gear again.

First I decided to keep it simple with just tbol at 60-80 mg. ed. for 6 weeks followed by nolva as pct. Then I decided to add some proviron at 50 mg. ed. Then I decided to add albuterol 24 mg. ed. for the fat and cholesterol benefits. Finally I've ordered endurashred which has Osta 10mg and GW 7mg per serving which I would take twice a day.
Because of my fear for returning gyno I've bought both nolva, aromasin and letro just to be completely covered.
For supports and nutrition I have tudca, orange triads, fish oil, tongkat ali, glucosamine, beta alanine, citrulline malate and of course whey protein.

As everyone else I of course would love to gain as much lean mass and loose as much fat as possible and get the most pleasurable pct and recovering as possible.

Would it be best to combine all of the compounds or spilt it up in two cycles:
bulk (tbol/proviron)
cut (endurashred/albuterol)?

If all compounds are combined how would you set up the cycle?

I have read that some people has got gyno from osta so should I run a low dose aromasin with it and how much would be enough to prevent my existing small lump to flare up again?

I know that a test base will be everyone's advice but that's not an option right now.

Really appreciate if you would help me out guys.

Thanks in advance.

ok let me get this straight. Your height/ weight looks ok. What is your BF? Albuterol & endurashed are shit and you never take them again..ok? How did you use the hcg? Are you saying that you got gyno from tbol and proviron? If so then never take steroids again. Proviron does nothing for bodybuiling and was developed to not cause gyno in the days when there was no oct or pct. So then you must have gotten gyno from tbol. If I am correct here then you should do sarms and sarms only. I really do not see how you got gyno. Also are you saying that you had hiv but are not positive now?
 
drb_iac said:
Jamthe1 said:
Hey guys, I'm new here so I'll start with a presentation.
I'm 33 years old, 185cm tall, weighs around 85 kg.
Cycle history: ph, tbol, var, hgh which all was 5-6 years ago.
Until recently I had decided to never touch gear again because of gyno issues (2 times surgery) which probably started from my ph cycle where I didn't do any pct (yeah stupid, I know and leaned the hard way) and then it came back on both my two hgh cycles.

A year ago I found out that I've got HIV and my world fell apart for some month before I decided that I was going to straighten up and get back on track.
I started eating healthier, working out again, stop doing drugs and stop partying all the time and in combination with my daily HIV medication, the result is that the HIV virus now are undetectable in my blood samples.
I'm now more healthy than I've been for many years and I've regained most of the mass which I had lost after years of laziness, partying and at last my sickness, but unfortunately I've also gained more fat than I wished for.
I have recently watched a YouTube video of a bodybuilder who has HIV as well, who mentioned as I already knew that muscle mass is crucial when fighting sicknesses like HIV, cancer etc. and that made me start thinking about gear again.

First I decided to keep it simple with just tbol at 60-80 mg. ed. for 6 weeks followed by nolva as pct. Then I decided to add some proviron at 50 mg. ed. Then I decided to add albuterol 24 mg. ed. for the fat and cholesterol benefits. Finally I've ordered endurashred which has Osta 10mg and GW 7mg per serving which I would take twice a day.
Because of my fear for returning gyno I've bought both nolva, aromasin and letro just to be completely covered.
For supports and nutrition I have tudca, orange triads, fish oil, tongkat ali, glucosamine, beta alanine, citrulline malate and of course whey protein.

As everyone else I of course would love to gain as much lean mass and loose as much fat as possible and get the most pleasurable pct and recovering as possible.

Would it be best to combine all of the compounds or spilt it up in two cycles:
bulk (tbol/proviron)
cut (endurashred/albuterol)?

If all compounds are combined how would you set up the cycle?

I have read that some people has got gyno from osta so should I run a low dose aromasin with it and how much would be enough to prevent my existing small lump to flare up again?

I know that a test base will be everyone's advice but that's not an option right now.

Really appreciate if you would help me out guys.

Thanks in advance.

ok let me get this straight. Your height/ weight looks ok. What is your BF? Albuterol & endurashed are shit and you never take them again..ok? How did you use the hcg? Are you saying that you got gyno from tbol and proviron? If so then never take steroids again. Proviron does nothing for bodybuiling and was developed to not cause gyno in the days when there was no oct or pct. So then you must have gotten gyno from tbol. If I am correct here then you should do sarms and sarms only. I really do not see how you got gyno. Also are you saying that you had hiv but are not positive now?

Not sure about my bf% but a guess would be 15%ish.

It was hgh and not hcg which I've taken.

I just used albuterol for two month and was actually quite pleased with it but why do mean that it's shit?

I think the gyno came from an pro hormone cycle which I took before knowing anything about gear and the pct which should follow. It came again with hgh even after I had got surgery.

Regarding HIV, I'm still positive, but when having taken meds for a while (in my case less than a year, but it's depends on how fast people find out they are sick and get started medicating) then the virus will get less and less in the bloodstream where the meds are doing their work. When very sick and not on meds there can be 1 million vira per drop of blood and my last test 3 month ago showed less than 20 (the tests accuracy shows less than 40, less than 20 or 0 which is undetectable and means at the moment the blood sample was taken there was no HIV virus in the blood) the virus will be present other places in the body and that's partially why there is no cure yet cuz it will multiply and find its way to the bloodstream where it kills the white blood sells (immunesystem) Just to give you an idea of how much under control it gets with proper medication then my wife who are aware of my sickness has not gotten hiv from unprotected sex in average once a day for the last 5 month.
 
The albuterol and endurorush are NOT good for your condition. I would not use either. Albuterol is for asthma not a steriod for muscle. HIV + means very little stimulants only coffee in moderation. Hgh is ok. If you got gyno then you should avoid any steriods.If your test levels are low then replacement is ok along with heavy oct. I would try the super sarms stack and hgh together. Nothing else. Give your endurorush to a bud, do not take it. Take calcium maybe 6 Tums per day, multi vitamins, and be sure to take a lot of water. Keep your Na and K levels in check. Do not get dehydrated. When you take a piss it should be the color of water. So piss in the bowl and take a look. You should not be able to tell that piss is in there. Use heavy weights and do only moderate cardio. Sleep is very important, no alcohol at all. HIV+ is for the rest of your life, so you need to nuture yourself with a good healthy lifestyle. A good mental outlook always helps.
 
drb_iac said:
The albuterol and endurorush are NOT good for your condition. I would not use either. Albuterol is for asthma not a steriod for muscle. HIV + means very little stimulants only coffee in moderation. Hgh is ok. If you got gyno then you should avoid any steriods.If your test levels are low then replacement is ok along with heavy oct. I would try the super sarms stack and hgh together. Nothing else. Give your endurorush to a bud, do not take it. Take calcium maybe 6 Tums per day, multi vitamins, and be sure to take a lot of water. Keep your Na and K levels in check. Do not get dehydrated. When you take a piss it should be the color of water. So piss in the bowl and take a look. You should not be able to tell that piss is in there. Use heavy weights and do only moderate cardio. Sleep is very important, no alcohol at all. HIV+ is for the rest of your life, so you need to nuture yourself with a good healthy lifestyle. A good mental outlook always helps.

I'm not saying that anything of what you tell me is wrong because of course it's good to do whatever I can to stay healthy. I just wonder how I can get more and more well (blood samples) and everyone around me who doesn't know that I'm sick tells me how good I look, if what you say about stimulants is true cuz I have had a heavy intake of stimulants for a long time (pwo shake with lots of caffeine, albuterol, Ritalin and even methamphetamine once in a while).
I do take orange triads as multi vitamins, extra vitamin c and fish oil as supplements everyday. Sleep is also 7-9 hours per night.

My piss is always pretty yellow and I think it comes from excessive use of vitamins because I drink lots of water all day long.

If I haven't got bad gyno both times I've used hgh I would for sure use that all year around and that's exactly why I want to use tbol to get some extra mass which I can maintain afterwards without having to worry about gyno.

A bit confused regarding the endurashred. If it's legit and consists of osta and gw why should I avoid it at all costs and then go for triple sarms stack which is the same just with added s4??
 
Jamthe1 said:
drb_iac said:
The albuterol and endurorush are NOT good for your condition. I would not use either. Albuterol is for asthma not a steriod for muscle. HIV + means very little stimulants only coffee in moderation. Hgh is ok. If you got gyno then you should avoid any steriods.If your test levels are low then replacement is ok along with heavy oct. I would try the super sarms stack and hgh together. Nothing else. Give your endurorush to a bud, do not take it. Take calcium maybe 6 Tums per day, multi vitamins, and be sure to take a lot of water. Keep your Na and K levels in check. Do not get dehydrated. When you take a piss it should be the color of water. So piss in the bowl and take a look. You should not be able to tell that piss is in there. Use heavy weights and do only moderate cardio. Sleep is very important, no alcohol at all. HIV+ is for the rest of your life, so you need to nuture yourself with a good healthy lifestyle. A good mental outlook always helps.

I'm not saying that anything of what you tell me is wrong because of course it's good to do whatever I can to stay healthy. I just wonder how I can get more and more well (blood samples) and everyone around me who doesn't know that I'm sick tells me how good I look, if what you say about stimulants is true cuz I have had a heavy intake of stimulants for a long time (pwo shake with lots of caffeine, albuterol, Ritalin and even methamphetamine once in a while).
I do take orange triads as multi vitamins, extra vitamin c and fish oil as supplements everyday. Sleep is also 7-9 hours per night.

My piss is always pretty yellow and I think it comes from excessive use of vitamins because I drink lots of water all day long.

If I haven't got bad gyno both times I've used hgh I would for sure use that all year around and that's exactly why I want to use tbol to get some extra mass which I can maintain afterwards without having to worry about gyno.

A bit confused regarding the endurashred. If it's legit and consists of osta and gw why should I avoid it at all costs and then go for triple sarms stack which is the same just with added s4??

Bro look...if you take stims you are accelerating your processes. Too many stims are considered catabolic. I don't know how you get good sleep always stimulated.
I have not used endurashred, but I have heard doubts about it being consistent and the real thing.Pure essence would be better. If your piss is to the bright yellow side then ok...that is B vitamins, but if it tends toward dark then drink up. Just stay hyrdrated, so that all of your metabolic pathways can work with what they need...namely water. Stimulants dehydrate you.You should head toward a holistic approach to your health and not so much on chemicals. And if you look good then that is great, but that is not a reflection of what you look like on the inside. Just like a smiling face is not always a happy face.
If you were to do a cycle then I would go low dose, such as 200-250 test and do it for 12 weeks each year. Otherwise sarms and hgh.
 
drb_iac said:
Jamthe1 said:
[quote="drb_iac":yohfyjeq]The albuterol and endurorush are NOT good for your condition. I would not use either. Albuterol is for asthma not a steriod for muscle. HIV + means very little stimulants only coffee in moderation. Hgh is ok. If you got gyno then you should avoid any steriods.If your test levels are low then replacement is ok along with heavy oct. I would try the super sarms stack and hgh together. Nothing else. Give your endurorush to a bud, do not take it. Take calcium maybe 6 Tums per day, multi vitamins, and be sure to take a lot of water. Keep your Na and K levels in check. Do not get dehydrated. When you take a piss it should be the color of water. So piss in the bowl and take a look. You should not be able to tell that piss is in there. Use heavy weights and do only moderate cardio. Sleep is very important, no alcohol at all. HIV+ is for the rest of your life, so you need to nuture yourself with a good healthy lifestyle. A good mental outlook always helps.

I'm not saying that anything of what you tell me is wrong because of course it's good to do whatever I can to stay healthy. I just wonder how I can get more and more well (blood samples) and everyone around me who doesn't know that I'm sick tells me how good I look, if what you say about stimulants is true cuz I have had a heavy intake of stimulants for a long time (pwo shake with lots of caffeine, albuterol, Ritalin and even methamphetamine once in a while).
I do take orange triads as multi vitamins, extra vitamin c and fish oil as supplements everyday. Sleep is also 7-9 hours per night.

My piss is always pretty yellow and I think it comes from excessive use of vitamins because I drink lots of water all day long.

If I haven't got bad gyno both times I've used hgh I would for sure use that all year around and that's exactly why I want to use tbol to get some extra mass which I can maintain afterwards without having to worry about gyno.

A bit confused regarding the endurashred. If it's legit and consists of osta and gw why should I avoid it at all costs and then go for triple sarms stack which is the same just with added s4??

Bro look...if you take stims you are accelerating your processes. Too many stims are considered catabolic. I don't know how you get good sleep always stimulated.
I have not used endurashred, but I have heard doubts about it being consistent and the real thing.Pure essence would be better. If your piss is to the bright yellow side then ok...that is B vitamins, but if it tends toward dark then drink up. Just stay hyrdrated, so that all of your metabolic pathways can work with what they need...namely water. Stimulants dehydrate you.You should head toward a holistic approach to your health and not so much on chemicals. And if you look good then that is great, but that is not a reflection of what you look like on the inside. Just like a smiling face is not always a happy face.
If you were to do a cycle then I would go low dose, such as 200-250 test and do it for 12 weeks each year. Otherwise sarms and hgh.[/quote:yohfyjeq]

I only use stimulants in daytime before workout except the meth of course but that's only once every month or two when I hit the pub just to feel that I still can have a bit of fun.

I get you regarding the outside vs inside but it's from my blood samples that I judge my health (CD4 which is around 800 (normal range between 600 and 1.000)) A person with a simple cold could easily have a CD4 less than 600 so as long as mine is above that I choose to still enjoy some of the more unhealthy things in life. As you mentioned, a healthy mental state is very important and I'm as happy as before I got sick and actually only get reminded of my sickness because of the single pill I have to eat everyday.

Anyway I already had made my mind regarding this cycle, I just wanted to hear some thoughts about the setup. I might skip the endurashred if it aint the real thing anyway and maybe order some GW by itself to throw in.

Thanks a lot for all your answers and I know I'm stubborn and stupid to not follow your advices but I've feel that I have a good feeling regarding my health because I have monitored it closely for a year now, plus I've gained enough of knowledge about my sickness to know that it's not as dangerous and deadly as people tends to think. If my CD4 gets low it's just to stay healthy for a while and it'll go up again so I don't see a big risk as long as I keep an eye on the blood work.
 
Ok bro--good luck. I hope that you hear what you are saying. It is like an alcoholic who finds out he has cirrhosis. Then he stops drinking and slowly his liver enzymes get normal....so he starts drinking again. You are playing russian roulette with your immun system.
 
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