Help with cycles

[HarisTopal]

Greetings.
My brother is already a member of your forum and he adviced me to join your community plus to watch some of your videos in youtube.
I am starting preparations for Mens' physique 2017 in Greece and I'd appreciate some advice over steroid cycles.
My info is: Age 32, Height 186cm, Weight 88kg, bf 10%(about), training since 2001 but more seriously the last 6 years + last year I participated in Mens' physique in Greece, I've done several cycles including drugs like testo-boldenone on bulking or testo-winstrol (or anavar on cutting), as for supplements I always take protein and multivitamins, no serious injuries no surgery.

As I mentioned, I wish to participate in Men's Physique 2017 and my goal is to have a good result.
I would appreciate some advice over bulking cycle and cutting cycle as well.
As for bulking I am thinking about using 2 injectables for 3 months, testo enanthate 250mg or 500mg per week plus boldenone 500mg and some aromasin of course.
As for cutting I am not very sure. Possibly something(3 months) like testo prop + win injectable + oral win and halo for the last month. Any ideas, especially
for the cutting period.

thanks in advance
any help would be most appreciated

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to the board. Your brother is right, this is the best stop on the 'net.

A few things I like about your post;

A) you're realistic about when to do your show
B) you're following the build it, shape it, shred it philosophy (WHICH WORKS!)

You probably now, nutrition will play a big part in this.

Can you post your exact previous cycles? Dose, lengths, OCT, PCT, etc.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Greetings.
My brother is already a member of your forum and he adviced me to join your community plus to watch some of your videos in youtube.
I am starting preparations for Mens' physique 2017 in Greece and I'd appreciate some advice over steroid cycles.
My info is: Age 32, Height 186cm, Weight 88kg, bf 10%(about), training since 2001 but more seriously the last 6 years + last year I participated in Mens' physique in Greece, I've done several cycles including drugs like testo-boldenone on bulking or testo-winstrol (or anavar on cutting), as for supplements I always take protein and multivitamins, no serious injuries no surgery.

As I mentioned, I wish to participate in Men's Physique 2017 and my goal is to have a good result.
I would appreciate some advice over bulking cycle and cutting cycle as well.
As for bulking I am thinking about using 2 injectables for 3 months, testo enanthate 250mg or 500mg per week plus boldenone 500mg and some aromasin of course.
As for cutting I am not very sure. Possibly something(3 months) like testo prop + win injectable + oral win and halo for the last month. Any ideas, especially
for the cutting period.

thanks in advance
any help would be most appreciated

how much are you trying to bulk?? what have you used in the past? when is your show exactly?? i need more info here bro...

 

[RickRock]

How long are you planning to bulk, and how long are you planning to cut leading into the show? I guess the main question is how far out your show is which completely determines how to set everything up


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[HarisTopal]

Hello again.
I am planning to bulk for 3 months and cut for 3 months. Show is end of may or start of june 2017.
I am using steroids every year since 2010. I used to have cycles of no more than 2 months(per year) with few steroids in small dosages, like 3 inj winstrols per week only or in some cases I added some 20mg anavar per day. I did not have big expectations since I was not competing at that time but with good diet and training I had achieved nice results.
I am ectomorph which has one advantage and one disadvantage, the disadvantage is that it is harder to gain mass but the advantage is that whenever I cut my body stays in same shape for months even if I do 4 cheat meals per day.

Last year I decided to take part in a competition and I had 2 experienced body builders (and also friends) to help me with diets/steroids/training.
I did 4 months of bulk eating 120g. oat + 8 white eggs for breakfast and 3x 220g. basmati rise + 220g. chicken breast. In the meantime I was doing 500mg testo cyp/week - 500mg boldenone/week - 20mg dianabol/day. Within the 1st month I increased from 80kg to 88kg with really noticeable results. Every next month was less efficient though.

By march 2016 we switched to cutting phase which was 200g. potato + 200g. chicken breast 5 times a day for 3 months. Steroids changed to 3 testo prop / week - 3 winstrol injectable / week - 50mg winstrol oral / day for 3 months, halotestin was added in 3rd month (20mg first 2 weeks and 30mg 3-4th week).

The results of bulking periods was increase from 80kg to 94kg, while during cutting I dropped to 86.5kg.
Last week I did carb depletion for 3 days(monday-tuesday-thursday), eating only 100g. chicken breast 5 times a day and drinking 12lt water per day. Withing 3 days I dropped from 86.5kg to 77.8kg, which is still unexplainable.
Then was advised to eat 220g. basmati rice 5 times a day from thursday to sunday(day of show) without drinking any water at all. No water was really an issue because after the 2nd day I experienced complete loss of apettite which got worse the day of the show.

 

[EZ_E]

You ate only chicken 5 x a day and don't understand why you lost 9 kg's?

Your "cycling" and diet are all over the map. And your you dosing is very hard to understand. I'm really unclear on what doses you were running and for how long.

And rice 5 times a day as a carb up? These "bodybuilders" don't seem to know much.

IMO you need to stop all AAS immediately and get a full blood test.

 

[HarisTopal]

OK. my last years preparation had 4 months of bulking and 3 months of cutting.
During bulking I was taking 500mg testo cypionate per week. 500mg boldenone per week and 20 mg dianabol per day, for 4 months
During bulking I was eating 4 times a day, breakfast was 120g oat + 8 egg whites and the 3 remaining meals were 220g basmati rice + 220g chicken breast
During cutting I was taking 3x testo propionate and 3x winstrol depot (injected monday/wednesday/friday) + 50mg winstrol oral per day, for 3 months. Halotestin was added in the 3rd month for 4 weeks.
During cutting I was eating 5 times a day, 200g potato and 200g chicken breast (nothing else).

As for the full blood test, I did a full check up 2 months ago and everything was perfect apart from creatinine which was some 0.2 above normal, possibly because of low water intake.

 

[EZ_E]

You ran d-bol for FOUR MONTHS?????

 

[HarisTopal]

I was strongly advised to do this cycle and I was worried too because I knew how toxic dianabol was. I was also told this is considered very low dosage and they were quite certain that blood tests will show nothing worth concerning. Mysteriously my liver values are so low (25 while max was 45). I discussed that with the general pathologist, who viewed my whole check up tests, and he told me that "nothing in these tests show me that you've been using potentialy harmful substances".

 

[HarisTopal]

Hello again.
As I have mentioned before I am looking for some advice over steroid cycles (bulk & cut) for the upcoming competition in may/june 2017.
I have explained my previous preparation because I was asked to do so. Every criticism is welcomed but by making one post for every possible "black hole" will only result in a - not very productive - discussion which is not really helpful. Also never forget I am representing myself and nobody else, so I am not writing in order to argue about cycles or dianabol.

I tend to agree that last year's preparation had plenty of mistakes and this is the reason I am seeking advice from this forum.
I would appreciate any comments or "what I should have done differently" last year, speaking of cycles or diet.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I don't have the energy for this dude. this is like a freaking Rubix Cube. what the piss is going on

 

[HarisTopal]

It took us 3 days to reach this conclusion? It is O.K. for me if you can't offer advice but it would have been much better to make it clear in the first place, so I would have looked for advice somewhere else.

 

[Petros]

I don't have the energy for this dude. this is like a freaking Rubix Cube. what the piss is going on

This guy has just being honest. He admits that he did mistakes in the past but been working to improve and also he did a big step by joining our forum. I dont get why you guys treat him like this...

 

[RickRock]

Hello again.
As I have mentioned before I am looking for some advice over steroid cycles (bulk & cut) for the upcoming competition in may/june 2017.
I have explained my previous preparation because I was asked to do so. Every criticism is welcomed but by making one post for every possible "black hole" will only result in a - not very productive - discussion which is not really helpful. Also never forget I am representing myself and nobody else, so I am not writing in order to argue about cycles or dianabol.

I tend to agree that last year's preparation had plenty of mistakes and this is the reason I am seeking advice from this forum.
I would appreciate any comments or "what I should have done differently" last year, speaking of cycles or diet.

Ok here is the deal man. I will be happy to help you set up a cycle, but you are going to have to decide what you want to do. If you have a competition in May or June, that only gives 5-6 months from NOW, so you don't have enough time to do a 3 month bulk and a 3 month cut with the appropriate amount of time off in between. You'll need to start prep probably about 12 weeks out, so probably around February you'll need to do that.

You can bulk up with sarms until February then run a cycle with sarms included going into the show. Here is a good setup for you

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/ultra-recomp-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

Then once your mini oct is finished, you would start this cycle for prep

1-12 Test C 350mg per week
1-12 Masteron 600mg per week
1-12 Primo 800mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
7-12 Winstrol 50mg per day
https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/enhanced-super-stack-12-weeks
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED



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[HarisTopal]

Hello again.
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate that you want to help with my preparation. What I expected was 2 steroid cycles, 1 for bulk and 1 for cut just like those I mentioned in my first post.
As for the cycles you have mentioned, I see products that I don't even know what they are doing. Above all the real problem is that I live in a country which is under fiscal & current account balance adaptation and for the last 1,5 year we are under capital control, which means that in my country imports are banned. I cannot transfer money from my credit card to anyone outside the country and the same applies to my bank account. Practically as individual I cannot buy your products.
As for the steroids, could you offer an alternative to masteron/primo ?