Help me build 1st real cycle

[omar924]

So a few years ago I ran an Epistane only cycle and got some awesome gains. Few years have past and i just got back from vacation where i picked up some testosterone. its 200mg enth. and 50mg prop per shot. I got a total of 6 shots. I should of bought a lot more but oh well. would 250mg a week give me some good gains? if not i was thinking of stacking it with another pro hormone or some sarms. Ive taken ostarine, s4, and gw in the past but i see since then there are some new ones out there. Any advice would be great. thanks guys. This is my first post . Hope you guys treat me like family

 

[DylanGemelli]

So a few years ago I ran an Epistane only cycle and got some awesome gains. Few years have past and i just got back from vacation where i picked up some testosterone. its 200mg enth. and 50mg prop per shot. I got a total of 6 shots. I should of bought a lot more but oh well. would 250mg a week give me some good gains? if not i was thinking of stacking it with another pro hormone or some sarms. Ive taken ostarine, s4, and gw in the past but i see since then there are some new ones out there. Any advice would be great. thanks guys. This is my first post . Hope you guys treat me like family

hey bro... im more than happy to help but its impossible to advise you without the necessary info which you did not include... first how in the world could anyone properly help you if we dont know the goal from cycle??? also, noone can help without stats... age/height/weight/body fat?

 

[omar924]

you're absolutely right I'm sorry. Im 25. 5'10 180. roughly 13% bf. my best stats at one point (before daughter was born) was 205 roughly 11%. I know how to diet and train hard. Im very in tune with my body.

Long story short had a daughter in late 2014. Stopped working out completely for about half a year and ate and drank whatever i wanted. Pretty much let myself go physique wise. Pretty much lost everything. Life went from revolving around my physique to my family. Been working out consistently again for about a year now. As far as my goals I'm looking to gain weight and minimize adding bf. So recomp....leaning more towards a bulk if that makes sense. Obviously if i could look a percent or two of bf that would be ideal. Would some pics help? I know I'm a visual person so maybe you're the same.

 

[Gymjunkie38]

6 injections of test is useless and what is it a open vial ugh bro no good theres all sorts of possibilities there . If your going too run test your going too need at least 30 ml and some aromisin and clomid and nolvadex for post cycle preferably all in hand before you start

 

[omar924]

no its not an open vial ha. Its 6 individual glass vials. sealed.

 

[JM750]

no its not an open vial ha. Its 6 individual glass vials. sealed.

Those are called ampules

 

[JM750]

You are not going to get anything with 6mls but shut down and then crash. You need to run the enanth 12-16 weeks
then a proper pct

 

[RickRock]

Only 6 shots of test isn't going to help you. Luckily we have some great sources on this board that you can get plenty of good gear including test from. Biotech is one of the great sources on this board, and I'd be happy to hook you up with a price list if you'd like. Just send me a pm if you are interested in one

For your goals, I think I have a great setup for you. Get all of your sarms and pct from www.sarmsx.com

1-12 Test C or E 350mg per week
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[9th Wonder]

Only 6 shots of test isn't going to help you. Luckily we have some great sources on this board that you can get plenty of good gear including test from. Biotech is one of the great sources on this board, and I'd be happy to hook you up with a price list if you'd like. Just send me a pm if you are interested in one

For your goals, I think I have a great setup for you. Get all of your sarms and pct from www.sarmsx.com

1-12 Test C or E 350mg per week
1-12 aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

This is the route to go right here. Do it right and run test cyp for 12 weeks.

 

[Guarionex]

So a few years ago I ran an Epistane only cycle and got some awesome gains. Few years have past and i just got back from vacation where i picked up some testosterone. its 200mg enth. and 50mg prop per shot. I got a total of 6 shots. I should of bought a lot more but oh well. would 250mg a week give me some good gains? if not i was thinking of stacking it with another pro hormone or some sarms. Ive taken ostarine, s4, and gw in the past but i see since then there are some new ones out there. Any advice would be great. thanks guys. This is my first post . Hope you guys treat me like family

I'd stay clear from prohormones, benefits/risks ratio isn't worth it IMO. SARMS are your best choice. Dylan and Rick gave you great stacks. Also, given your age I'd hold off on AAS for a couple of years.

 

[omar924]

Besides liver toxicity why would you say pro hormones are not worth it? And you all say 250 a week is a waste. wouldn't it make sense to run some arms and a good pro hormone and use the test at 250 a week as a base?

 

[RickRock]

Besides liver toxicity why would you say pro hormones are not worth it? And you all say 250 a week is a waste. wouldn't it make sense to run some arms and a good pro hormone and use the test at 250 a week as a base?

Prohormones are full of bad side effects. Lethargy, appetite suppression, and just feeling like total shit. They are just simply not worth it and the reward isn't worth the risk

250mg per week of test is not a waste, but only 6 weeks is. Long esters test needs ran a good 12 weeks to be worth it

250mg per week test with aromasin ran with the sarms stack I posted for 12 weeks would be perfect

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[JM750]

Prohormones are full of bad side effects. Lethargy, appetite suppression, and just feeling like total shit. They are just simply not worth it and the reward isn't worth the risk

250mg per week of test is not a waste, but only 6 weeks is. Long esters test needs ran a good 12 weeks to be worth it

250mg per week test with aromasin ran with the sarms stack I posted for 12 weeks would be perfect

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

exactly! I ran superdrol and epistane and both made me feel like shit and very lethargic.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Besides liver toxicity why would you say pro hormones are not worth it? And you all say 250 a week is a waste. wouldn't it make sense to run some arms and a good pro hormone and use the test at 250 a week as a base?

i would like you to point out to me just exactly who said that 250 was a waste so i can correct them... thats a load of bull shit.. go ahead an run prohormones... just dont come complaining when your panel and values are completely wrecked and dont complain when you feel like complete dog shit and want to know why etc... dont complain when you have excruciating pumps and you can't take it... dont complain when you get stupid suppression in a small amount of time, etc... because thats all your going to get... your going to be lethargic, probably have headaches, etc... so, do they still sound like a good idea?

 

[omar924]

i would like you to point out to me just exactly who said that 250 was a waste so i can correct them... thats a load of bull shit.. go ahead an run prohormones... just dont come complaining when your panel and values are completely wrecked and dont complain when you feel like complete dog shit and want to know why etc... dont complain when you have excruciating pumps and you can't take it... dont complain when you get stupid suppression in a small amount of time, etc... because thats all your going to get... your going to be lethargic, probably have headaches, etc... so, do they still sound like a good idea?

Came here hoping I could learn and ask questions without being talked down to. Thanks for all your help.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Came here hoping I could learn and ask questions without being talked down to. Thanks for all your help.

Brush it off dude. Its just tough love. No one would spend the time typing all that out if they weren't trying to help. Point is you don't need ph's. Stick to 250-350mg of test per week and run it at least 12 weeks. Make sure you have your AI and PCT all on hand before starting the cycle.

Phurious Pharma Rep

 

[RickRock]

Came here hoping I could learn and ask questions without being talked down to. Thanks for all your help.

We are all here to help you bro. We've given you some solid advice and everybody has offered you something here. We just want to make sure you are doing things the right way, and not potentially hurting yourself. I hope you got a lot of your questions answered. If you have any more please feel free to post them up


(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[DylanGemelli]

Came here hoping I could learn and ask questions without being talked down to. Thanks for all your help.

noone is talking down to you but you keep asking about pro hormones... everyone is telling you how horrible they are for you and its frustrating when its like your second guessing... if you can't handle things like that then this is probably not the lifestyle for you... my wife is not even that sensitive and shes extremely sensitive... we all talk like this to each other because we are MEN... there's some damn tough women in here too...

i guarantee you sweet n spicy and sara would never act like that when they get tough love because they do, fuck we all do... if we didn't care, you just wouldn't get a response but you can't be that sensitive or you wont last too long bro... noone is looking down on you, bashing you, none of that bull shit.... we dont do that...

 

[omar924]

noone is talking down to you but you keep asking about pro hormones... everyone is telling you how horrible they are for you and its frustrating when its like your second guessing... if you can't handle things like that then this is probably not the lifestyle for you... my wife is not even that sensitive and shes extremely sensitive... we all talk like this to each other because we are MEN... there's some damn tough women in here too...

i guarantee you sweet n spicy and sara would never act like that when they get tough love because they do, fuck we all do... if we didn't care, you just wouldn't get a response but you can't be that sensitive or you wont last too long bro... noone is looking down on you, bashing you, none of that bull shit.... we dont do that...

Sorry if I misinterpreted that way you all are speaking. I just speak to people in a professional manor and I guess I expect the same in return. Its not a matter of not being a "man" I just was raised to be respectful. But anyways, I got two more vials of test e so a total of 26ml each containing 250mg and also got a vial of TEST Prop. So that should be more than enough for a first cycle correct? Im thinking about just running straight test just to see how my body responds to it. was thinking 250 a week possibly bumping it up to 300. As far as the Test Prop. What's the best way to use that being that its a short ester my logic tells me its good to "kick start" the cycle so I feel it sooner than the Test E.

Also one more question for you guys. The needles I got are 21g. From doing some research I see most people using 25g+. Saw one guy that swears by going as small as 30. Thoughts? Wheres the best place to get needles. Oh and may seem like a stupid question, but I know you can't reuse needles but are syringes re usable? Thanks for your help everyone. Last thing I need to pick up before I start is an AI. I currently have TOREM for pct. Why do people run mk during pct when mk itself is suppressive? Feel like this was a really unorganized post so I apologize lol . THanks everyone.

 

[jtbull46]

Besides liver toxicity why would you say pro hormones are not worth it? And you all say 250 a week is a waste. wouldn't it make sense to run some arms and a good pro hormone and use the test at 250 a week as a base?

For what many pro hormones cost you could buy either sarms or some gear with the money.