Gyno Symptoms Last Week of Cycle

[flynhawaiianz28]

Alright fellow members, I'm creating this post because I'm trying to figure out some sort of answer and I'm coming up empty handed. A little background info is that I'm 28, currently 197lbs (up from 170), 6'0", and my bf is 15-16%. This has been my first real cycle ever. In the past I have done a few PH cycles where I did make gains but I never had the correct knowledge for it to be successful. I always lost the gains and never had a complete PCT. Lived and learned from those mistakes especially from acquiring gyno in the past and having to deal with it. Like I said, this has been my first real steroid cycle ever. Pretty basic test cyp @ 500mg/week on a wednesday/saturday split (just kinda how it worked out) and I have been running pure essence aromasin from the very start at 12.5mg ED. I noticed around week 10 that the acne started to flare up which it has been minimal imo and a normal side affect. This is my last week of jabs with only having 2 left this week. This past weekend I noticed my left nipple starting to become sensitive which it has been fine through the wholeeeee cycle till now. I can't figure out why this is happening all the sudden. I have keep consistent on my A.I. dosage amount and times, consistent on my pins, and I'm not sure why all the sudden this happening. My left nipple is the one that always has given me problems in the past where I get a small lump behind it and so far I think right now it is just sensitive and sore and hasn't went past that yet. For now, I have upped my A.I. dosage to morning/night split of 12.5mg each for a total of 25mg/day and as of yesterday i started taking 20mg of nolva a day. I want to catch this as quick as possible even though I am at the end of my cycle I don't want it to get out of hand. I really want to avoid using Letro unless I have to cause I know how it wreaks havoc on the body as I have done my rounds with it before. And if I were to add letro I'm not exactly sure how that would play out as far as dosing and running it with PCT or after PCT? Anyone have any answers as to why this is happening now? Anything else I can do in the meantime to remedy the problem? I'm at a loss at the moment and I'm so close to making this a super successful cycle. If any more questions or info is needed just let me know, thanks guys.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Has a doctor diagnosed you with gyno and what's your estrogen level have you done bloodwork ?

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

I would go get blood work done ASAP. Then you will know your estro levels and proceed from there. Don't make it a guessing game on whats causing what without blood work being performed.

^Exactly, run bloods so we can check that E level.

 

[RickRock]

It sounds to me like you are more estrogen sensitive than many others, so your estrogen probably slowly rose over the course of the cycle and 12.5mg eod was not enough dose for you. This is my guess, but you need to do bloodwork to clarify.

I think you have made the right course of action for now with adjusting your AI dose and adding nolva. Hopefully you've caught it early enough to take care of it. Otherwise you may have to do letro/raloxifene or see a doc

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[flynhawaiianz28]

I will get some bloodwork scheduled within the next few days and see where I am. And I did have a panel done before I started the cycle for comparison. What should the normal range look like while on cycle so I know what to look for when I get the results.

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

Yeah I was not trying to crush E by any means. I ran the aromasin at 12.5mg/ED cause i knew how sensitive I was and that seemed to do the trick till these last few weeks. The only think I can think of is that maybe the second 30mL bottle of aromasin I started using is underdosed but I'm not saying that is the root cause for sure. I'm hoping that upping the dose of the AI and throwing in some nolva will do the trick. I have bloods scheduled for tomorrow and I will have the results by Thursday morning as the turn around time is quite fast. I need to find out the cause of this so that next time I can be more proactive on cycle and take even more precautions if need be.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Yeah I was not trying to crush E by any means. I ran the aromasin at 12.5mg/ED cause i knew how sensitive I was and that seemed to do the trick till these last few weeks. The only think I can think of is that maybe the second 30mL bottle of aromasin I started using is underdosed but I'm not saying that is the root cause for sure. I'm hoping that upping the dose of the AI and throwing in some nolva will do the trick. I have bloods scheduled for tomorrow and I will have the results by Thursday morning as the turn around time is quite fast. I need to find out the cause of this so that next time I can be more proactive on cycle and take even more precautions if need be.

There is a very good chance what's causing this is your AAS usage (root cause) lol. Have you noticed a lump prior to AAS ?

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

Well I know it has to be due to the test but I can't figure out why all the sudden when I have been consistent with pinning and on my AI dosing. I've had a small lump there before back in the day due to PH cycles and rebounding after it was over with. Nuked it to basically nothing with letro even though I know you can't completely eradicate it with letro but close to it and it was basically nothing and I had no problems before this cycle. My gut keeps telling me maybe that bottle of aromasin I switched to after my first ran out is the culprit and was underdosed because I feel like the time frame fits and it's the only explanation I can come up with right now. I ran out of the first and went to the second bottle about a little more than a week or so ago. I wish I had an exact date but I don't but I feel like that in that amount of time if the levels of aromasin were allowed to drop long enough by under dosing then it could let E rise and cause the soreness. Bloods are being drawn this afternoon tho and I will have the results by Thursday morning/afternoon to post and discuss.

 

[DylanGemelli]

you know, 500 mg of test is a lot.. im sorry but it is... many may disagree but once you get past that 350 mark, its on the higher side and so the likelihood of estrogen issues is much higher with conversion as it is... so when you know you are estrogen sensitive then you have to be very careful with the test dosing and if you are intent on going that high you need to accommodate that throughout the cycle... perhaps you should run it higher from the start next time if your going to run your test at 500... that's what i would go with...

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

**UPDATED w/ Blood Panel**

Thanks Dylan. I will start with a higher dose from the get go and adjust if I need to in the future. On a better note, upping the aromasin and adding 20mg of nolva has seemed to do the trick. 4 days in and the soreness is almost gone so I'm going to hold steady at this for a bit longer. I might drop the aromasin back down because the joint paint has came on within the last day or two especially in the knees and and I figure that's from upping the aromasin.

I have the blood test results back. I will attach the pictures but let me know what you guys think and the course of action I should take as I'm not sure how to handle this with PCT coming up soon. I'm hoping I have caught this soon enough to where it isn't a problem and I don't believe I will need letro but I am keeping a close watch just incase.

 

[flynhawaiianz28]

*bump* Any takers on the panel? And maybe I'm not reading it right but wasn't E already low? So im confused as to why I would start to have gyno symptoms.