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Gains came to a crashing halt. What gives?

ringmeister01

ringmeister01

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Ok so Im at week 12 of a 16 week cycle;

200mg Test (TRT dose)

800mg Primo (went up to 1000mg last two weeks)

50mg proviron

Anavar 60mg (last 6 weeks only)


I couldnt be happier with the way the cycle went (up 25 lbs and down 2% BF, awesome strength gains) up until last week were I found I wasn't gaining strength and struggled to maintain strength at the gym. My body isn't hard like I was a week or 2 ago, I'm kinda soft now (my GF said I looked like marble), not vascular, less pumps..... and so on.

I've asked some friends about this and they suggested that my glands are closed and that my body is finding a way to achieve homeostasis with the exogenous compounds.

Nothings changed - my diet, sleep and training are all on point. Im very strict.

Any options on why I've begun to go backwards? Do I just need to lay off everything for a while and give me body a chemical rest? Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks
 
Gains start to stall when you get deeper into a cycle because of myostatin. That is perfectly normal. You can't just keep gaining. You have to come off for a significant amount of time to let myostatin return to baseline and let your body be normal for a while

As for your look, you shouldn't ever get worse while still on the compounds. More than likely you look softer because you've either gained some fat or you are retaining water, or a combination of both. You can also flatten out depending on carb loads, etc.

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
"Nothings changed - my diet, sleep and training are all on point. Im very strict."

You will eventually adapt to diet and training. Some people after 2 weeks, some after 2 months. Diet & training need to change when necessary.
 
RickRock said:
Gains start to stall when you get deeper into a cycle because of myostatin. That is perfectly normal. You can't just keep gaining. You have to come off for a significant amount of time to let myostatin return to baseline and let your body be normal for a while

As for your look, you shouldn't ever get worse while still on the compounds. More than likely you look softer because you've either gained some fat or you are retaining water, or a combination of both. You can also flatten out depending on carb loads, etc.

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
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^Myostatin is a very real thing,
 
Wow great info guys. I'll search on myostatin (no idea what that is) and how to adjust trading and diet. IMO I'm not getting enough carbs and maybe too much fat.


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ringmeister01 said:
Wow great info guys. I'll search on myostatin (no idea what that is) and how to adjust trading and diet. IMO I'm not getting enough carbs and maybe too much fat.


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Take a look at the link Angelo posted which is an article I wrote on the topic. It should help explain a lot

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
Sounds like cortisol can be rising up. Do you take anything to help with adrenal glands and keep cortisol low?

Use code "5DC" for 5% off at Roids24.co
 
5-10grams of glutamine before bed helps lower cortisol spike, and overall helps keep it lower. As far as adrenal help, a Vit B complex and a good adrenal support pill will help your adrenal glands to ease up and not produce so much cortisol from stress etc..

Use code "5DC" for 5% off at Roids24.co
 
That's why a lot of the guys took a couple months off every year, to let myostatin return to baseline. I know Palumbo was a firm believer in this.
 
Angelo said:
heres a little something our head mod Rick wrote up on the topic, https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/myostatin-gains-killer-1164.html
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Thanks very much brother

RickRock said:
Take a look at the link Angelo posted which is an article I wrote on the topic. It should help explain a lot

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
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Your article has given me a complete new outlook of cycling. I can deal with not building MORE LBM (Im pretty happy where I am physically but Im not getting any stronger and makes me a bit disappointed. Could be phycological though.

Please excuse the amount of questions I have, I'm just happy to find someone with such knowledge. Since I am on prescription TRT I have no need to PCT - do I taper down the Primo or come completely off all at once? Can I include low dose Primo in the cruise and blast twice a year?

What are your thoughts on giving receptors and glands a break? Can the body "get used to" the compounds in the cruise so much that they become ineffective over time? I wouldn't think so for Test as there are thousands on TRT for many many years.
 
AlmightyAlpha said:
5-10grams of glutamine before bed helps lower cortisol spike, and overall helps keep it lower. As far as adrenal help, a Vit B complex and a good adrenal support pill will help your adrenal glands to ease up and not produce so much cortisol from stress etc..

Use code "5DC" for 5% off at Roids24.co
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Boom. Thanks bro.
 
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ringmeister01 said:
Thanks very much brother



Your article has given me a complete new outlook of cycling. I can deal with not building MORE LBM (Im pretty happy where I am physically but Im not getting any stronger and makes me a bit disappointed. Could be phycological though.

Please excuse the amount of questions I have, I'm just happy to find someone with such knowledge. Since I am on prescription TRT I have no need to PCT - do I taper down the Primo or come completely off all at once? Can I include low dose Primo in the cruise and blast twice a year?

What are your thoughts on giving receptors and glands a break? Can the body "get used to" the compounds in the cruise so much that they become ineffective over time? I wouldn't think so for Test as there are thousands on TRT for many many years.
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You never ever want to taper down doses bro. That's just a waste of gear. Tapering up makes logical sense because as your body adapts to a certain dose and myostatin rises, it takes more androgens (higher doses and/or more anabolic compounds) to keep the gains coming in later weeks. When you taper off you pretty much agree to make no progress whatsoever, which basically just wastes gear. Might as well just stop everything but TRT at that point.

There is no such thing as "giving receptors a break". That is complete bro science at its finest but it's been parroted around for years. The fact of the matter is that there is always more androgen receptors ready to uptake androgens than you can saturate at any given time. What is real however is myostatin. Once that is up, forget about it. Gains are done. In order to bring gains back you need to go down to cruise level for a decent length of time (on average at least 8-10 weeks) to let it baseline. Usually the longer you are at cruise the better your cycle will be next time because it will take myostatin a little longer to peak, where someone that takes a short time off won't see much of anything from their cycle because myostatin may still be slightly elevated when they started.

So, in theory.....yes your body absolutely gets used to the compounds over time, but it's ONLY because of myostatin. Once you hit that wall gains are over until you bring it back down again. I hope this makes sense to you
 
RickRock said:
You never ever want to taper down doses bro. That's just a waste of gear. Tapering up makes logical sense because as your body adapts to a certain dose and myostatin rises, it takes more androgens (higher doses and/or more anabolic compounds) to keep the gains coming in later weeks. When you taper off you pretty much agree to make no progress whatsoever, which basically just wastes gear. Might as well just stop everything but TRT at that point.

There is no such thing as "giving receptors a break". That is complete bro science at its finest but it's been parroted around for years. The fact of the matter is that there is always more androgen receptors ready to uptake androgens than you can saturate at any given time. What is real however is myostatin. Once that is up, forget about it. Gains are done. In order to bring gains back you need to go down to cruise level for a decent length of time (on average at least 8-10 weeks) to let it baseline. Usually the longer you are at cruise the better your cycle will be next time because it will take myostatin a little longer to peak, where someone that takes a short time off won't see much of anything from their cycle because myostatin may still be slightly elevated when they started.

So, in theory.....yes your body absolutely gets used to the compounds over time, but it's ONLY because of myostatin. Once you hit that wall gains are over until you bring it back down again. I hope this makes sense to you
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Round of applause bro. Epic info.


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RickRock said:
You never ever want to taper down doses bro. That's just a waste of gear. Tapering up makes logical sense because as your body adapts to a certain dose and myostatin rises, it takes more androgens (higher doses and/or more anabolic compounds) to keep the gains coming in later weeks. When you taper off you pretty much agree to make no progress whatsoever, which basically just wastes gear. Might as well just stop everything but TRT at that point.

There is no such thing as "giving receptors a break". That is complete bro science at its finest but it's been parroted around for years. The fact of the matter is that there is always more androgen receptors ready to uptake androgens than you can saturate at any given time. What is real however is myostatin. Once that is up, forget about it. Gains are done. In order to bring gains back you need to go down to cruise level for a decent length of time (on average at least 8-10 weeks) to let it baseline. Usually the longer you are at cruise the better your cycle will be next time because it will take myostatin a little longer to peak, where someone that takes a short time off won't see much of anything from their cycle because myostatin may still be slightly elevated when they started.

So, in theory.....yes your body absolutely gets used to the compounds over time, but it's ONLY because of myostatin. Once you hit that wall gains are over until you bring it back down again. I hope this makes sense to you
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That's great info dude.

Do you think it happens easier with natural compound(s) rather than actual synthetics? IE, say, Testosterone than Tren?
 
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