First cycle post blood work results :( sitting at docs office now

[infoe]

So im sitting at docs office right now waiting for doc to come in. 37 years old 188pounds 6’1 hit gym 6 times a week (one muscle a day) had great results and felt great on first cycle but aftet pct i feel like ive lost all my results and may slightly be worse off than before i started. I fully expect to work with doctor to go on trt but i thougjt id share my results two things really stand out to me.
Disclosure its been four weeks since pct completed

1. Testosterone is 384, slightly higher than when i did pre cycle bloods of 222
2. Estragen is high at 56 where pre cycle bloods i was at 15.7

3. Did not previously test cholesterol levels but i did take some winstrol last 6 weeks of cycle at 25mg daily but cholesterol is slightly high with total at 204 with ldl at 145.

I had a sneaking suspicion within first few weeks of cycle that blasting in a sense may not be for me because while i felt amazing and mid cycle lvls got me to 2200 test so it was not overdosed nor crazy numbers I knew coming off was really going to suck. At my age i can see myself maybe blast once anyear but if i had to pick id rather never blast again and just maintain low dosage for a healthy lifestyle/libido/energy and feel for life. I do want to look great dont get me wrong but the peak and valley of a blast and then pct with what seems my natural low test does not seem to be right for me. I am still very novice so im hoping for any thoughts or opinions. I will follow up this thread with doctors recommendation after she comes in.

 

[Dangans]

So im sitting at docs office right now waiting for doc to come in. 37 years old 188pounds 6’1 hit gym 6 times a week (one muscle a day) had great results and felt great on first cycle but aftet pct i feel like ive lost all my results and may slightly be worse off than before i started. I fully expect to work with doctor to go on trt but i thougjt id share my results two things really stand out to me.
Disclosure its been four weeks since pct completed

1. Testosterone is 384, slightly higher than when i did pre cycle bloods of 222
2. Estragen is high at 56 where pre cycle bloods i was at 15.7

3. Did not previously test cholesterol levels but i did take some winstrol last 6 weeks of cycle at 25mg daily but cholesterol is slightly high with total at 204 with ldl at 145.

I had a sneaking suspicion within first few weeks of cycle that blasting in a sense may not be for me because while i felt amazing and mid cycle lvls got me to 2200 test so it was not overdosed nor crazy numbers I knew coming off was really going to suck. At my age i can see myself maybe blast once anyear but if i had to pick id rather never blast again and just maintain low dosage for a healthy lifestyle/libido/energy and feel for life. I do want to look great dont get me wrong but the peak and valley of a blast and then pct with what seems my natural low test does not seem to be right for me. I am still very novice so im hoping for any thoughts or opinions. I will follow up this thread with doctors recommendation after she comes in.

what was your PCT like? and cholesterol get the NMR lipo bloodwork so they can testyou particles inside you LDL if the particles are small it is an issue if they are large fluffy you are all good. no need to worry about the total, HDL to triglycerides ratio is more important

 

[infoe]

So i came to this doc because i was recommended by a buddy who is a police officer this doc does everything (family practice) but all the firefighters and cops come here as well as some big guy/girl bodybuilders that ive seen here. well bc she prescribes pharma trt cia insuand probably does more for those that want more. She asked me my goals and i said im good with maintenance dose. She seemed knowledgeable on cycles and pct but i just want to start off slow. One thing i want to preface is that in Miami excess is embedded into the fabric of the culture. Doctors are not immune to this. Other thing is I believe she prescribes cookie cutter dosages for trt so i had a feeling she was going to prescribe the same protocol as my friend and she did. I dont even know what his blood levels are but the script reads

Test enth - 200mg once a week. I will probably opt to do half that broken down into injections every 3.5days (And do subq) should i do less?

Hcg once a week 500iu probably do 250iu twice a week as well

Aromasin (requested by me she usually prescribes arimedex but i shared my cycle with her and she said if i had good results with aromasin she can script me that).
Not sure dosage yet but she said 2x weekly

 

[infoe]

Pct was textbook followed by protocol mentioned here. Did not deviate at all. I have another thread about my first cycle but i went by the book prescribed here including sarms.

 

[Dangans]

Pct was textbook followed by protocol mentioned here. Did not deviate at all. I have another thread about my first cycle but i went by the book prescribed here including sarms.

Did you use HCG 2 weeks prior to your PCT

 

[perkins0016]

Ive never done pct...id imagine it sucks...kind of mental swing seems like to me.....now your numbers pre blast seemed super low 220...if you consistently tested low like that you should have explored trt first....as for now just see what doc says he prob wont recommend trt if your mid 300s at this point just keep pushing him and keep re testing bloods.....dont know your complete stats or what your cycle looked like ...but estr is a bit high....188 ilbs seems a bit light at 6'1 to me...of course im a meat head though lol.....good luck bro keep pushing for that trt if u need it .....then go from there....

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[DylanGemelli]

your test is higher than when you started by nearly double, clearly thats not the issue... how is your free test and shbg? your estrogen is also causing you problems, definitely with that number.. are you sure you had good aromasin on cycle? winstrol is known for hurting cholesterol, did you protect yourself?

 

[perkins0016]

So i came to this doc because i was recommended by a buddy who is a police officer this doc does everything (family practice) but all the firefighters and cops come here as well as some big guy/girl bodybuilders that ive seen here. well bc she prescribes pharma trt cia insuand probably does more for those that want more. She asked me my goals and i said im good with maintenance dose. She seemed knowledgeable on cycles and pct but i just want to start off slow. One thing i want to preface is that in Miami excess is embedded into the fabric of the culture. Doctors are not immune to this. Other thing is I believe she prescribes cookie cutter dosages for trt so i had a feeling she was going to prescribe the same protocol as my friend and she did. I dont even know what his blood levels are but the script reads

Test enth - 200mg once a week. I will probably opt to do half that broken down into injections every 3.5days (And do subq) should i do less?

Hcg once a week 500iu probably do 250iu twice a week as well

Aromasin (requested by me she usually prescribes arimedex but i shared my cycle with her and she said if i had good results with aromasin she can script me that).
Not sure dosage yet but she said 2x weekly

Im on trt 150 mg puts me around 960 levels everyone's different though....id rather use cyp at once a week .....but guess gotta do with what you get test e should be twice a week for stable bloods...200 little high though......aromasin maybe at 6.25 eod..what im trying....

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[infoe]

Did you use HCG 2 weeks prior to your PCT

yes. 2 weeks of last cycle week 11 and 12 and then 13 and 14 pct started on week 15.

 

[Dangans]

yes. 2 weeks of last cycle week 11 and 12 and then 13 and 14 pct started on week 15.

ok you did the right protocol. the thing is your test levels were elevated during your blast always feel great then it goes back mto your normal levels you will feel the same way you did before your blast.

 

[infoe]

your test is higher than when you started by nearly double, clearly thats not the issue... how is your free test and shbg? your estrogen is also causing you problems, definitely with that number.. are you sure you had good aromasin on cycle? winstrol is known for hurting cholesterol, did you protect yourself?

i can ask doc's office for copy of blood work but i dont believe the screen showed free test. i do see the sex hormon binding globulin if that is what you mean by shbg (sorry still novice) it's at 17

I can't be sure about aromasin but it did come from turkey it says pfizer on it and they are 25mg little pills that i use a pill cutter to cut in half.
I used tudca while on Winstrol to protect liver.

in either case Im getting prescription pharma grade from doctor now for trt and resting bloods in 3 months so hopefully between the doctor and you guys you can get me back into good numbers.

 

[DylanGemelli]

well tudca is going to do absolutely nothing for your cholesterol, blood pressure, kidneys etc... so thats the issue there on the cholesterol at least.. .you had nothing to protect it... your estrogen being that high leads me to believe you had bad aromasin...

 

[infoe]

well tudca is going to do absolutely nothing for your cholesterol, blood pressure, kidneys etc... so thats the issue there on the cholesterol at least.. .you had nothing to protect it... your estrogen being that high leads me to believe you had bad aromasin...

understood. Any thoughts on the TRT protocol prescribed by doc in previous post? thoughts on hcg while doing trt?

 

[DylanGemelli]

understood. Any thoughts on the TRT protocol prescribed by doc in previous post? thoughts on hcg while doing trt?

i definitely do not like using hcg for extended periods of time whatsoever...

 

[DylanGemelli]

also, test e should not be injected just once a week.. 200 is pretty high and should not be necessary... 150 should be plenty

 

[infoe]

Im on trt 150 mg puts me around 960 levels everyone's different though....id rather use cyp at once a week .....but guess gotta do with what you get test e should be twice a week for stable bloods...200 little high though......aromasin maybe at 6.25 eod..what im trying....

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do you use any hcg?

 

[infoe]

i definitely do not like using hcg for extended periods of time whatsoever...

I see. is there any protocol of trt where you do like to see some hcg incorporated? albeit for a few weeks and then stop..say if trt is year round...do hcg two times a year? Im just making shit up but just thought id put an example to get my question's point across.

 

[DylanGemelli]

i always recommend to use it once every for a month at a time, 3 times a year... so every 4 months at 1000 ius per week but thats up to you

 

[Dangans]

i always recommend to use it once every for a month at a time, 3 times a year... so every 4 months at 1000 ius per week but thats up to you

This is exactly what I do on trt good call Dylan


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[DylanGemelli]

This is exactly what I do on trt good call Dylan


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Thanks brother!