Estrogen sensitivity and PCT

[Beast96Z]

I've found over the past year that I am extremely sensitive to e blockers. Even the OTC blockers at a low dose give me ED and a strong lack of libido. This was the worst after doing the Platinum PCT at the recommended dose. I had serious issues running that out for a month. Enough to scare me about doing it again. I'm trying to plan out my PCT for my next cycle (which I am not on) and am looking for opinions. Since the 3 main drugs used in the PCT are all E blockers, is it necessary to run all 3? When reading, all my sides seemed to be linked toward the Clomid. Granted the kit worked like a charm, but I'd like to stay as far away from the sides a possible. Maybe a lower dose? Suck it up and run it? It took me almost a month after PCT to get back to feeling normal and I don't want to go through that again.

Current Stats: 39 y/o 6'2" 202lbs 13% BF 5 day a week training regime
Next Cycle: Test Cyp @ 150mg/ twice a week Anavar 50mg/day (I know you guys hate it, but I'm trying to stay mild as this is only my second cycle) 10 week cycle on test, 4-6 weeks on Anavar at end of cycle.

I have not, and will not start until everything is in place. Learning more and more every day here and look forward to your opinions. Thanks

 

[Roidrage718]

What was your first cycle?

Your second it extremely moderate, a little too much so in my opinion. I would go 250 2x per week for 12 weeks. I also hope you plan on ending the Anavar after 6 weeks or so. I'd use it the lst 6 weeks. If your first cycle was that mild, you may very well have overkilled it. You have to listen to your body and adjust as needed. If things weren't feeling right, you should have at least asked for advice midway through to maybe find ways to tweek things.

 

[AimArnold]

I've found over the past year that I am extremely sensitive to e blockers. Even the OTC blockers at a low dose give me ED and a strong lack of libido. This was the worst after doing the Platinum PCT at the recommended dose. I had serious issues running that out for a month. Enough to scare me about doing it again. I'm trying to plan out my PCT for my next cycle (which I am not on) and am looking for opinions. Since the 3 main drugs used in the PCT are all E blockers, is it necessary to run all 3? When reading, all my sides seemed to be linked toward the Clomid. Granted the kit worked like a charm, but I'd like to stay as far away from the sides a possible. Maybe a lower dose? Suck it up and run it? It took me almost a month after PCT to get back to feeling normal and I don't want to go through that again.

Current Stats: 39 y/o 6'2" 202lbs 13% BF 5 day a week training regime
Next Cycle: Test Cyp @ 150mg/ twice a week Anavar 50mg/day (I know you guys hate it, but I'm trying to stay mild as this is only my second cycle) 10 week cycle.

I have not, and will not start until everything is in place. Learning more and more every day here and look forward to your opinions. Thanks

Be normal first then plan for a cycle. 150mg is quite low dose. The first person on the cycle use 350 mgs every week. So as you have already cycled before, Its not a good choice to run 150mg EW. Also if you've watched Dylan's videos. he explains that compounds like EQ and T-bol are good to run in your second or third cycle as they have low sides. So I don't think he'd choose you to run anavar. Anyways Dylan or other seniors will give you your exact answer.

 

[Beast96Z]

I've been fine for a few months now. I haven't cycled in a long time. First cycle was many years ago w/250 mgs test per week and d-bol. Can't remember the dose on the D. That was long before this web site. I did a full pct after taking DMZ and some bunk SARMS at the recommendation of this page. I can bump the test if need be, and I've already got the Avar. That said, I dont habe enough Avar to make the full cycle as I didn't know the dose would be quite that high for men. That said, I will either need to get more to make 6 weeks, or shorten the cycle to the last 4 weeks.

 

[44YOGearHead]

My recommendation would be first get labs and see where you're at for a reference point to get back to. Avoid dbol... pure shit for us guys and high as hell estrogen conversion with your sensitivity to estrogen blockers you need to stay the hell away from that bullshit. Understand that if you are just that sensitive, perhaps AAS are not for you, OR accept that your libido is gonna go tits up after a cycle. Stay clear of aromatizing compounds and focus on ones that don't convert (so easily), lastly since test converts... perhaps low dosages slightly above normal test ranges for you will suit you best and minimize your concerns. Estrogen control as you know is a integral part of cycling so despite recommendations (that's all they are) you have to understand what you're taking, how they work and dial them in to your needs period. Do things like cut dosages in half, or eod, e3d whatever until you find what allows you to be the best you possible even if it means not using AAS. Perhaps SARMs are what you're destined for and not AAS... but if AAS is your choice, then get savy on estrogen sensitivity, AI's, PCT and dosing brother.

 

[RickRock]

I've found over the past year that I am extremely sensitive to e blockers. Even the OTC blockers at a low dose give me ED and a strong lack of libido. This was the worst after doing the Platinum PCT at the recommended dose. I had serious issues running that out for a month. Enough to scare me about doing it again. I'm trying to plan out my PCT for my next cycle (which I am not on) and am looking for opinions. Since the 3 main drugs used in the PCT are all E blockers, is it necessary to run all 3? When reading, all my sides seemed to be linked toward the Clomid. Granted the kit worked like a charm, but I'd like to stay as far away from the sides a possible. Maybe a lower dose? Suck it up and run it? It took me almost a month after PCT to get back to feeling normal and I don't want to go through that again.

Current Stats: 39 y/o 6'2" 202lbs 13% BF 5 day a week training regime
Next Cycle: Test Cyp @ 150mg/ twice a week Anavar 50mg/day (I know you guys hate it, but I'm trying to stay mild as this is only my second cycle) 10 week cycle on test, 4-6 weeks on Anavar at end of cycle.

I have not, and will not start until everything is in place. Learning more and more every day here and look forward to your opinions. Thanks

I think you are a bit confused on the differences between SERMS and aromtose inhibitors. Clomid and Nolva do not lower estrogen in any fashion. They only keep it from binding to give gyno etc. It's entirely possible that your estrogen got too low but that would be related to aromasin dose. My suggestion for future reference is to run aromasin at 6.25mg EOD instead of 12.5mg EOD and also get bloodwork after pct to see where everything is at.

Also keep in mind that while in Oct and recovering many experience ED issues during the time your test levels are low and your body is trying to come back

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[DylanGemelli]

is there any bloodwork confirming ANY of this or is it all based on "feeling" because thats NOT the way to determine an issue whatsoever..

 

[SpikedEggnog]

without bloods there is no guarantee.

anavar is mild yes, but also weak. TBOL is a better choice over anavar anyday

 

[DylanGemelli]

you can never go on how you feel... a lot of time symptoms are similar for completely opposite instances... ive seen it a million times when someone THINKS they have an issue, address the wrong one and fuck themselves up more so than before

 

[RickRock]

you can never go on how you feel... a lot of time symptoms are similar for completely opposite instances... ive seen it a million times when someone THINKS they have an issue, address the wrong one and fuck themselves up more so than before

That's absolutely right. There could be any number of things going on here post cycle, whole hormones and your body is trying to reach homeostasis. It's all speculation without bloodwork


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[SpikedEggnog]

you can never go on how you feel... a lot of time symptoms are similar for completely opposite instances... ive seen it a million times when someone THINKS they have an issue, address the wrong one and fuck themselves up more so than before

definitely bro. especially estrogen and prolactin can be confused, low and high.

 

[Beast96Z]

I did post blood work after PCT was complete, but of course, there was no estrogen panel. I asked but never received. Test was around 850 and Free Test was triple the normal level. I am basing everything off feeling, which was all I had to go on. When I say I was "low", I could only get about a 1/4 cocked erection and had basically no feeling/sensitivity what so ever. A problem many on Clomid have. I was lazy, no motivation to do anything. Ignored many of my "man of the house" duties, and couldn't have given 2 shits about anyone in this house. On my last SARMS cycle, I got to where I was feeling pudgy/watery and was having hot flashes etc. I was feeling like it was high, so 12.5mg of Aromison EOD had me pissing like a villain for the first 2 days, then all seemed normal after that. After a week I went to 10mg every 3 days to keep it in check. During that time, libido was ok, but not normal. Erections were firm here and there, but less so after taking the Aro. Sensitivity was normal and no numbness. I will certainly do bloods before starting anything to get a base line.

Back to the cycle at hand, since back to back orals is a no no, is there another injectable that would be good to stack with the Test for the first half of the cycle, or should I just go Test only? I feel like any other injectable will be more potent than the Anavar and I would feel worse on the second leg of the cycle.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I did post blood work after PCT was complete, but of course, there was no estrogen panel. I asked but never received. Test was around 850 and Free Test was triple the normal level. I am basing everything off feeling, which was all I had to go on. When I say I was "low", I could only get about a 1/4 cocked erection and had basically no feeling/sensitivity what so ever. A problem many on Clomid have. I was lazy, no motivation to do anything. Ignored many of my "man of the house" duties, and couldn't have given 2 shits about anyone in this house. On my last SARMS cycle, I got to where I was feeling pudgy/watery and was having hot flashes etc. I was feeling like it was high, so 12.5mg of Aromison EOD had me pissing like a villain for the first 2 days, then all seemed normal after that. After a week I went to 10mg every 3 days to keep it in check. During that time, libido was ok, but not normal. Erections were firm here and there, but less so after taking the Aro. Sensitivity was normal and no numbness. I will certainly do bloods before starting anything to get a base line.

Back to the cycle at hand, since back to back orals is a no no, is there another injectable that would be good to stack with the Test for the first half of the cycle, or should I just go Test only? I feel like any other injectable will be more potent than the Anavar and I would feel worse on the second leg of the cycle.

fucking anything is better than anavar... you have options... you can run an oral kick start and stack a few sarms with it which is most ideal... you can run them longer, dont have to worry about all the steroid side effects etc... otherwise, if you want to add another steroid it just depends on your main goal.... what is it that you want to accomplish?

 

[Beast96Z]

fucking anything is better than anavar... you have options... you can run an oral kick start and stack a few sarms with it which is most ideal... you can run them longer, dont have to worry about all the steroid side effects etc... otherwise, if you want to add another steroid it just depends on your main goal.... what is it that you want to accomplish?

Trying to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible. Not looking to stack on a bunch of wasted weight. Thats why I was looking at Cyp/Avar. Much like yourself, I love the trim chiseled look. Looking to keep my weight in the 200-205 range and trim down the BF% a bit.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Trying to gain as much lean muscle mass as possible. Not looking to stack on a bunch of wasted weight. Thats why I was looking at Cyp/Avar. Much like yourself, I love the trim chiseled look. Looking to keep my weight in the 200-205 range and trim down the BF% a bit.

this is very doable... what compounds have you used in the past?? this has eq written all over but i need to know what else you have used...

 

[Beast96Z]

Very low dose of Test 200/mg week/Dbol) around 10 years ago, and I only did that for a month. Thats the only AAS I have ever used. I did a month of DMZ around 4-5 months ago. Full PCT afterwards. Then SARMS for 2 months after that. I'm not currently on anything. Keep in mind that everything before the full PCT was before I found you guys!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Very low dose of Test 200/mg week/Dbol) around 10 years ago, and I only did that for a month. Thats the only AAS I have ever used. I did a month of DMZ around 4-5 months ago. Full PCT afterwards. Then SARMS for 2 months after that. I'm not currently on anything. Keep in mind that everything before the full PCT was before I found you guys!

gotcha... lets keep it rather simple... here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout...

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=134&search=power

https://www.sarmsx.com/liquiaro-15mgs-ml-30mls

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum

1-16 test cyp 350-500 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-16 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
7-18 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day