I'm not disagreeing with you.I was just giveing sn opinion of my favorite cycle.however there are a lot of guys powerlifters football players etc use effectively and do have higher bodyfat.ive known two pro bodybuilders one pretty well and neither of them walked around anywhere near your bodyfat level off season.that's not a cut on you its a compliment.obviously your very strict.who knows maybe you'll be the next Clarence bass the true king of old bodybuilders.