Anyone allergic to coconut oil?

[PHURIOUS]

It takes a lot of thought when brewing.The short chains,the long chains, summer blend,winter blend, then you have to consider that some schmoe will do something stupid...like keep using the same syringe, and then contaminates his own gear. So you have to use something to save people from themselves. That is why I brew with powder and oil only...done deal,natural and organic...lol. And I think phur probably thinks things out so that he uses the least amount of support chemicals possible.

Absolutly. The less the better


PHURIOUS

 

[Jake]

It is quite common to have an allergy to coconut/mct oil... it is also very slow absorbing even though it's a thinner oil....so you may feel discomfort a little longer than usual.... EO (Ethyl oleate is a fatty acid ester formed by the condensation of oleic acid and ethanol) it is what's used in high concentrations of short esters or 'tricky' compounds only. Some people also have a sensitivity to it. But if your test is at the traditional mgs then there is no need for EO in it especially because it is a long ester... there are many variables, if you have the proper ratios of solvents then you shouldn't have any issues. Even using too much BA and/or BB can create issues as all chemicals have a distinct role they play in your little vial of your favorite gear.

Au contraire my friend. Coconut allergy is very rare, and mct allergy is barely heard of. Also to be noted is that liquid coconut oil high in mct's has not been out for very long ,so there has been no info regarding this product. And why do you claim that it is slow release? The more digestible an oil is the faster releasing it is.Release is also related to the fatty acid profile, and those oils with high oleic,linoleic and linolenic are the best.It would stand to reason that short mct chains release quicker than long oleic acids found in most edible oils. That is why mostly indigestable oils like castor oil is used in presciption slow release test...such as Aveed. It has nothing to to do with how thin or thick.
Ethyl oleate on the other hand is quite known to be an allergen to the general population. Too much ba and too much bb as in how much? How much is too much? Anyone who does first grade brewing knows of the ba bb ratio. I use nothing but powder and sesame oil.And ba can be easily replaced with chlorbutanol.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Well I am sorry you disagree... but there are people that have used one oil and then tried this one and had reactions to it... all other details remain the same.

As for you not using BA but Chlorbutanol, that's your choice but not sure why you would mix it with hormones as it has known characteristics of being a sedative as well. But if it works for you, great. Also using raw powder and oil only, that's a recipe for disaster and full of infections. As for ratios, this isn't a 'brewing' discussion.

as for absorption ratios...scale 1-5
1 - Very Fast Absorption Rate and 5 - Very Slow Absorption Rate
•Coconut/MCT - 5
•Cotton Seed - 4
•Grapeseed - 2

You are about to open a can of worms u may not want lol. Easy jake. And dont let daddy drb see this. Lol


PHURIOUS

 

[PHURIOUS]

Not sure why you are threatening... I'm just stating the facts....and who's your daddy drb?

Im not threatening i just know the responses coming soon by jake and drb. Lol.


PHURIOUS

 

[PHURIOUS]

they are big boys, I'm sure they can answer things themselves. Plus they may have good input with legit reasoning...

You like confrontation dont you. I was just saying its gonna be fun. Cause this has come up before


PHURIOUS

 

[PHURIOUS]

No I don't but if they have legit reasoning then I am open to listen as I have seen otherwise. That's all.

They believe if heated properly and in a certain way then bacteria isnt an issue. Jake will explain further.

I more subscribe to normal practice 1% ba is more than enough to keep bacteria from growing.

I see alot of recipes out there with 3%. Far too excessive.

Pharma only uses .9% i use 1.


PHURIOUS

 

[Jake]

Well I am sorry you disagree... but there are people that have used one oil and then tried this one and had reactions to it... all other details remain the same.

As for you not using BA but Chlorbutanol, that's your choice but not sure why you would mix it with hormones as it has known characteristics of being a sedative as well. But if it works for you, great. Also using raw powder and oil only, that's a recipe for disaster and full of infections. As for ratios, this isn't a 'brewing' discussion.

as for absorption ratios...scale 1-5
1 - Very Fast Absorption Rate and 5 - Very Slow Absorption Rate
•Coconut/MCT - 5
•Cotton Seed - 4
•Grapeseed - 2

Please read up on a big pharm test E recipe called Delatestryl, by BTG Pharmaceuticals. Ingredients-Each 1cc contains 200mgs of testE-sesame oil and 5mgs chlorbutanol. Developed by my uncle.A Ph.D chemist for BTG. I also have a BS and MS in chemistry and nearly a Ph.d. Never did write a thesis due to wife having twins. Have been brewing since 1975, making test by first coverting it from cholesterol powder. In 1975 you were doing what? I nor anyone I know has had an infection since 1975. Also I do not filter at all. Firstly pathogenic bacteria like gram positive cocci and gram negative rods are easily killed by temps of 170F. Mine is made at 230F. I have made everything there is to make.

Think about this...why does water based release faster than oil? I am not DrB because I have patience. He is a brilliant man and along with his brother, both have taught at Oxford. He just does not tolerate ill informed people who argue. I won't argue because I stand by what I have written . So brewing since 1975 and been questioned ever since. Gets old and I really do not care much anymore
Google coconut allergy or even coconut oil allergy. It just took me 1 minute to see that there is hardly any.
I have made gear with very high BB and none at all. It all works. I used high BB because I wanted to see if bb caused pip. It does not
And where on earth did you get this absorption ratio? And why is water not on there? What about Winstrol Depot? Did this come from a friend at the gym? Just like your opening sentence you reference "but there are people..." Not very scientific

 

[PHURIOUS]

Please read up on a big pharm test E recipe called Delatestryl, by BTG Pharmaceuticals. Ingredients-Each 1cc contains 200mgs of testE-sesame oil and 5mgs chlorbutanol. Developed by my uncle.A Ph.D chemist for BTG. I also have a BS and MS in chemistry and nearly a Ph.d. Never did write a thesis due to wife having twins. Have been brewing since 1975, making test by first coverting it from cholesterol powder. In 1975 you were doing what? I nor anyone I know has had an infection since 1975. Also I do not filter at all. Firstly pathogenic bacteria like gram positive cocci and gram negative rods are easily killed by temps of 170F. Mine is made at 230F. I have made everything there is to make.

Think about this...why does water based release faster than oil? I am not DrB because I have patience. He is a brilliant man and along with his brother, both have taught at Oxford. He just does not tolerate ill informed people who argue. I won't argue because I stand by what I have written . So brewing since 1975 and been questioned ever since. Gets old and I really do not care much anymore
Google coconut allergy or even coconut oil allergy. It just took me 1 minute to see that there is hardly any.
I have made gear with very high BB and none at all. It all works. I used high BB because I wanted to see if bb caused pip. It does not
And where on earth did you get this absorption ratio? And why is water not on there? What about Winstrol Depot? Did this come from a friend at the gym? Just like your opening sentence you reference "but there are people..." Not very scientific

And there it is lol. Saw that one coming.


PHURIOUS

 

[Jake]

And there it is lol. Saw that one coming.


PHURIOUS

Its like a fat guy at the gym telling me that I don't know how to workout.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Its like a fat guy at the gym telling me that I don't know how to workout.

Lol. Inwas all here we go. 3,2,1...


PHURIOUS

 

[Jake]

First of... you know nothing about my background... no need to insult... I wasn't born yesterday and I'm not stupid. .. and no I'm not here to argue... far from it...but you are writing stuff that I never even argued... I do have multiple degrees and strong background in the subject...and I don't post stuff I know nothing about. I was curious what you'll post... there are a lot of smart geniuses out there.. Having an open mind and wanting to hear what you have to say is key...but doesn't mean I have to agree...cause we all learn something new everyday from eachother... that's life.... no matter if there was a paper written on it or based on real experience and studies of actual people not animals.

As for the coconut oil in gear... some people DO react to it... allergy or not.

And I totally agree...bb is not what causes pip... making it with or without or at high amounts... yes it works. Never said otherwise.

Yes..I know nothing about you. I asked where did you get your absorption ratio but no answer.I asked about water base but no answer. I answered your chlorbutanol comment, and addressed anything you had to say. I addressed your statement that I must be making festering gear full of germs, and the ba bb ratio. I asked where were you in 1975 and no answer. There are NOT a lot of...redundant sorry..."smart geniuses" out there who understand this subject. Not docs, not big pharm.It is a peculiar expertise. So you enjoy your knowledge because I will no longer post on this thread.
Do you realize how many thousands of gallons I have made since the 70's? Geez...I must be doing something right!! Maybe you could learn, but probably not.

 

[Jake]

Wow someone is quite bitter...

Not at all. Just tired of answering questions.It does get old.Year after year...someone has release ratios, knows all about chlorbutanol and ba bb ratios then they know all about mct and bacterial contamination and on and on and on it it goes. All kinds of bravado and tells me I suck and make poison. Over and over and over. Dbol stacks oral stacks over and over. Do you realize how many schmoes like you I have listened to over the years???? Glad to hear that this was all the ammo that you had left.Now you realize that you do not know much. Sorry to be the messenger of bad news for your ego. That is life my friend. Like my Dad told me when I boxed. No matter how tuff you think you are there is always somebody gonna kick your butt. Consider your butt kicked. Any time, any place. Aren't you glad you got me rather than drb?
Remember Rowan and Martin's Laugh Inn? Good then say good night dick. Goodnight dick!

 

[Sickening skittles]

I can tell you this coconut oil gives no pip what so ever

 

[rockmfhudd]

I would like to make one thing clear, you may be used to these clowns that keep telling you that you suck but I'm not one of them...and I never said that. So like I said, I'm not here to argue with you or your pops but you need to realize that people will question you, just like they question me. Doesn't mean I'm insulting or trying to pick fights. I asked for your answers as I was curious...maybe you are a know-it-all but I'm personally open to hearing new things...just because you don't agree with what I say or vice versa, doesn't mean you're right or wrong... as far as I was concerned this is a place to learn and share experience and wisdom...not attack people because you're someone better than everyone else.

And I have nothing to prove to you so no I didn't run out of ammo... and I don't know why you have the need to be such a dick.... have a good weekend! ��



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I think everyone is passionate about this stuff and yes jake and drb come off strong, but have great knowledge as it seems you do as well. a lot more than me. but it is good to hear different opinions etc and have a good debate. I really don't think he meant to offend.

 

[drb_iac]

I would like to make one thing clear, you may be used to these clowns that keep telling you that you suck but I'm not one of them...and I never said that. So like I said, I'm not here to argue with you or your pops but you need to realize that people will question you, just like they question me. Doesn't mean I'm insulting or trying to pick fights. I asked for your answers as I was curious...maybe you are a know-it-all but I'm personally open to hearing new things...just because you don't agree with what I say or vice versa, doesn't mean you're right or wrong... as far as I was concerned this is a place to learn and share experience and wisdom...not attack people because you're someone better than everyone else.

And I have nothing to prove to you so no I didn't run out of ammo... and I don't know why you have the need to be such a dick.... have a good weekend! ��

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It is all good.No problemo.Verbotten. Thanks for the well wishes as we are already having a great weekend. Same to you.

 

[rockmfhudd]

Thanks rock...I appreciate your comment �� and I completely agree...that's why we're here.

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yes and I can tell all 3 of yall are passionate and have good shit to share so im standing by with pen in hand to take notes lol but im not so sure us young bucks can teach drb any new tricks hahaha

 

[Maxadvance]

Its like a fat guy at the gym telling me that I don't know how to workout.

Appreciate your unique knowledge for sure. FYI, the brewer came back and stated his recipe,

" There is no EO in any of my products
I use 2% BA, 18% BB, and Coconut oil as the carrier oil"


So there's that. Currently I'm six days past that injection, really subsiding now. The injection site was upper right quad/hip. The progression of the rash moved straight back to the upper buttocks and then down to halfway down my hamstring where it is now, though barely noticeable. Over the past six days it was a steady change everyday to the point it's at now. To a layman like myself, it looks the carrier oil never absorbed and has constantly moved and been pushed away. I liken it to someone with a breast implant and the silicone leaked and ended up on their kneecap lol.

2 days ago I pinned .5 mil of gso Test C in my left buttock with zero issue. I did google mct oil reaction and found some gear related content, and googled the same for coconut oil and found some content but not so much gear related.

 

[Maxadvance]

It is all good.No problemo.Verbotten. Thanks for the well wishes as we are already having a great weekend. Same to you.

Great ambassador right there

 

[PHURIOUS]

Appreciate your unique knowledge for sure. FYI, the brewer came back and stated his recipe,

" There is no EO in any of my products
I use 2% BA, 18% BB, and Coconut oil as the carrier oil"


So there's that. Currently I'm six days past that injection, really subsiding now. The injection site was upper right quad/hip. The progression of the rash moved straight back to the upper buttocks and then down to halfway down my hamstring where it is now, though barely noticeable. Over the past six days it was a steady change everyday to the point it's at now. To a layman like myself, it looks the carrier oil never absorbed and has constantly moved and been pushed away. I liken it to someone with a breast implant and the silicone leaked and ended up on their kneecap lol.

2 days ago I pinned .5 mil of gso Test C in my left buttock with zero issue. I did google mct oil reaction and found some gear related content, and googled the same for coconut oil and found some content but not so much gear related.

Yes some carriers can bother anyone ive had people get a reaction to gso because they were allergic. U never really know till u try


PHURIOUS

 

[drb_iac]

Appreciate your unique knowledge for sure. FYI, the brewer came back and stated his recipe,

" There is no EO in any of my products
I use 2% BA, 18% BB, and Coconut oil as the carrier oil"


So there's that. Currently I'm six days past that injection, really subsiding now. The injection site was upper right quad/hip. The progression of the rash moved straight back to the upper buttocks and then down to halfway down my hamstring where it is now, though barely noticeable. Over the past six days it was a steady change everyday to the point it's at now. To a layman like myself, it looks the carrier oil never absorbed and has constantly moved and been pushed away. I liken it to someone with a breast implant and the silicone leaked and ended up on their kneecap lol.

2 days ago I pinned .5 mil of gso Test C in my left buttock with zero issue. I did google mct oil reaction and found some gear related content, and googled the same for coconut oil and found some content but not so much gear related.

It may well be that area that you pinned. I bet if you take the coco and ass pin, it will not hurt.If you are indeed allergic then you will again have a reaction. Got to do it in the name of science bro!!!lol...look, also when people talk mct they relate it to the mct in synthol. Those mct's are synthesized to be rather inert and are not naturally occuring in the profile of of edible oils. So if you google mct, you should google something like.. is mct oil good for me to take.Then you may get a better idea as to what mct is.
Remember that it means Meduim Chain Triglycerides.
On another interesting note there is a book written by the great oil/fat expert named Udo Erasmus called "Fats that Heal-Fats that Kill. Since coco oil is mostly mct it is thought that the body processes this oil as a carb and not as a fat. They have proven that coconut high in mct will take you out of ketosis.
Therefore they suggest that people on keto,no carb diets not use this product. It actually has a glycemic index.

Now back to something Jake suggested.When you pin a water base like winstrol depot the depot is very very quick. The reason why is that our bodies are mostly water...actually salt water, so when a water injection comes in the body knows exactly what to do with it. This instant depot is why injectable winny hurts de azz bad!!

So if your bud says he has no eo in his gear then it is possible to be allegic or react to anything on this planet. BUT, I would like to ask you to pin it in your butt and let us know what happens. If it does not hurt then it was your location. If it does hurt then you should shitcan the stuff. Life is too short to go around with a sore azz.

And listen...not to be rude, but most folks lie a lot.They say this works but that don't and truely have no idea. So because your bud said no EO that does mean an absolute. He could have gotten into a bind with a large batch not going into solution and he had to EO it to save himself a lot of lost revenue. Just sayin...not accusing.

Let us know....I am very curious!!