3 weeks on SARMS - Testosterone from 555 to 44!

[beastmode45]

Hey guys.

Been running SARMS for 3 weeks today (LGD, RAD, S4, GW, and MK2866). Received my testosterone level test on 5/1 and it's at 55 (extremely low).

3/31 - Test @ 555.8
4/6 - Doctor gave me testosterone shot of 200mg (like a dumbass) because I told him I felt sluggish and such so we "thought we would give it a try"
4/11 - Test @ >1500 (I didn't do the LC/MS so I don't know the real number but it was OFF THE CHARTS high)
4/12 - Started my SARMS Stack (I have been
5/1 - Test @ 44 - what the fuck (see below image)

Now my doctor wants me to go see my urologist. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't think I need TRT, but this may be the course of action.

1) SARMS should NOT be suppressive - right???
2) The jump to >1500 makes total sense given that I was at 555 and then received the injection of 200mg
3) But the drop to 44 makes no sense. It's either a recovery from the big spike, or the SARMS. That could be the ONLY 2 causes.

I'm eating 100% clean - no alcohol, minor puff of marijuana on the weekends. 2200-2300 clean calories with a 45p/35c/20f macro target. My Sarms stack as stated above. Super consistent with that. My workouts have been great, and increasing in strength. Was going to post my updates to my log later today on iSarms.

Ask any question you want.



Thoughts? Please.

 

[ironlifter36]

It could be a combination of both, however 3 weeks on Sarms should not cause this kind of suppression. What was your LH and FSH number? On another note, your Doctor is a moron, however I think that was already established in another thread. You likely felt sluggish ect. because you had been eating at such a low calorie intake for an extended period of time.

 

[blaze91]

Hey guys.

Been running SARMS for 3 weeks today (LGD, RAD, S4, GW, and MK2866). Received my testosterone level test on 5/1 and it's at 55 (extremely low).

3/31 - Test @ 555.8
4/6 - Doctor gave me testosterone shot of 200mg (like a dumbass) because I told him I felt sluggish and such so we "thought we would give it a try"
4/11 - Test @ >1500 (I didn't do the LC/MS so I don't know the real number but it was OFF THE CHARTS high)
4/12 - Started my SARMS Stack (I have been
5/1 - Test @ 44 - what the fuck (see below image)

Now my doctor wants me to go see my urologist. I don't know what the fuck to do. I don't think I need TRT, but this may be the course of action.

1) SARMS should NOT be suppressive - right???
2) The jump to >1500 makes total sense given that I was at 555 and then received the injection of 200mg
3) But the drop to 44 makes no sense. It's either a recovery from the big spike, or the SARMS. That could be the ONLY 2 causes.

I'm eating 100% clean - no alcohol, minor puff of marijuana on the weekends. 2200-2300 clean calories with a 45p/35c/20f macro target. My Sarms stack as stated above. Super consistent with that. My workouts have been great, and increasing in strength. Was going to post my updates to my log later today on iSarms.

Ask any question you want.

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Thoughts? Please.

Sounds like the test shot blasted your test level up so your natural test production stopped, also sarms will to a degree suppressed your natural test.... BUT with sarms it rebounds fast.... so you going to finish your sarm run and PCT.... it should all come back (natural test) with no issues, as long as you don't take shots of test randomly and sporadicly .. your confusing your body.... I did a few sarm cycles and my test was 378 before the cycles .. then PCTd and time off and it went up to 557... I'm 55yrs old

 

[beastmode45]

I really want to get to the root of this and get it back to normal. Of course he only ordered the Testosterone test to see what came of the 200mg injection, so I don't have the others numbers (LH and FSH). I'm requesting a full panel asap. I'm going to order myself as I need to wait until Tuesday to see my doctor and want to get the numbers sooner rather than later. You are right on the sluggish, probably due to the low calories.

Do you think I need to stop SARMS and do something to re-establish solid Test levels, or can it be corrected mid-cycle?

I really don't want to tell my doctor I'm on SARMS either as he will say "stop"...but if that's what I should do I would do it.

 

[Sandertje]

I got the same with a stack of lgd, osta, s4 and rad. These are the 4 most supressive sarms. My libido completely crashed after this cycle + pct...

 

[KRT]

What kind of doctor thinks it's a remotely good idea to administer a single dose of testosterone when your levels at 555 are really not that bad?

I don't know where the fuck he went to medical school but jesus christ, find you a new doctor. I don't know where you got your sarms either but that's going to be important going forward. If you have bunk sarms and you had a randomly administered shot of testosterone suppress you, you've likely arrived at your answer.

I'd get a FULL PCT in the works and go from there. Seriously.

 

[blaze91]

I really want to get to the root of this and get it back to normal. Of course he only ordered the Testosterone test to see what came of the 200mg injection, so I don't have the others numbers (LH and FSH). I'm requesting a full panel asap. I'm going to order myself as I need to wait until Tuesday to see my doctor and want to get the numbers sooner rather than later. You are right on the sluggish, probably due to the low calories.

Do you think I need to stop SARMS and do something to re-establish solid Test levels, or can it be corrected mid-cycle?

I really don't want to tell my doctor I'm on SARMS either as he will say "stop"...but if that's what I should do I would do it.

how long do you have left on your cycle Bro??... Plus I don't think you can reestablish your natural test mid cycle

 

[rockmfhudd]

I am not saying the test is wrong but 3 weeks of those sarms isn't gonna crash you that hard. most are just getting in the system good. are they suppressive yes but mildly especially this early are they from sarmsx

 

[ironlifter36]

I really want to get to the root of this and get it back to normal. Of course he only ordered the Testosterone test to see what came of the 200mg injection, so I don't have the others numbers (LH and FSH). I'm requesting a full panel asap. I'm going to order myself as I need to wait until Tuesday to see my doctor and want to get the numbers sooner rather than later. You are right on the sluggish, probably due to the low calories.

Do you think I need to stop SARMS and do something to re-establish solid Test levels, or can it be corrected mid-cycle?

I really don't want to tell my doctor I'm on SARMS either as he will say "stop"...but if that's what I should do I would do it.

Well, this is a case of you can't have your cake and eat it too. If your number 1 priority is to get your test levels back up, then stop the SARMS because as long as your on them levels will be somewhat suppressed. However, if you stop and do get your levels back up, once you restart the sarms your levels will go back down some.

I think the take away is this: #1 Find out what your LH and FSH numbers are, they are a better indicator of whether you are "shutdown". #2 Kick your Doctor in the balls next time you see him because randomly giving you a shot of Testosterone temporarily *ucked your levels up. Even worst, he is scratching his head wondering why your levels are low.

 

[beastmode45]

What kind of doctor thinks it's a remotely good idea to administer a single dose of testosterone when your levels at 555 are really not that bad?

I don't know where the fuck he went to medical school but jesus christ, find you a new doctor. I don't know where you got your sarms either but that's going to be important going forward. If you have bunk sarms and you had a randomly administered shot of testosterone suppress you, you've likely arrived at your answer.

I'd get a FULL PCT in the works and go from there. Seriously.

SARMS are from SARMSX.com. All prescribed from Dylan. So I do NOT have bunk sarms.

 

[beastmode45]

how long do you have left on your cycle Bro??... Plus I don't think you can reestablish your natural test mid cycle

I'm 3 weeks in. So I have 9 left. Will having low test during my cycle f' up my results? Would it be better to pause for 4 weeks - get it back and then restart for 12 weeks?

 

[beastmode45]

Agreed. Should my number 1 priority be to get my test levels back up - in your opinion? Or is it safe to wait 9 weeks? Will that impact my results?

 

[rockmfhudd]

yes in my opinion ur doc shouldn't have given you test your levels I would have killed for but my norms are in the low 200s or lower. I would get some bloodwork done like previously mentioned to test LH FSH

 

[DylanGemelli]

What kind of doctor thinks it's a remotely good idea to administer a single dose of testosterone when your levels at 555 are really not that bad?

I don't know where the fuck he went to medical school but jesus christ, find you a new doctor. I don't know where you got your sarms either but that's going to be important going forward. If you have bunk sarms and you had a randomly administered shot of testosterone suppress you, you've likely arrived at your answer.

I'd get a FULL PCT in the works and go from there. Seriously.

i agree with you more than a million percent if thats possible... this is clearly doctor induced and what kind of fucking moron advises this shit? what kind of fucking doctor is this?

 

[beastmode45]

i agree with you more than a million percent if thats possible... this is clearly doctor induced and what kind of fucking moron advises this shit? what kind of fucking doctor is this?

Hey Dylan. This was my regular doc...standard "family doc". Not a specialists and very fucked up indeed. It was questionable when it occurred in the first place.

As for my current situation, are you agreeing that a FULL PCT now is what I should do and STOP my SARMS Stack? If a FULL PCT, what is in that? I have the MiniPCT right now in my possession. Please clarify.

 

[RickRock]

If it were me, only being 3 weeks in I'd probably stop,the cycle and run full pct which is this

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED


Are you having any signs or symptoms of low test? Numbers are one thing, but how you feel is another. That's another variable to go by

 

[beastmode45]

If it were me, only being 3 weeks in I'd probably stop,the cycle and run full pct which is this

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED


Are you having any signs or symptoms of low test? Numbers are one thing, but how you feel is another. That's another variable to go by

Hey RR. Thanks so much for the response.

I have no symptoms so far. I'm getting a full blood Panel tomorrow so should have all other numbers by Tu/We next week. Balls are fine, erections and libido seem normal, energy and workouts fine, and still going up in strength. Took all my measurements yesterday and the last week has little in terms of size change (biceps, chest the same, waist down 1/2"). But like I said strength is better.

Do you still think a full PCT? Can you also help me understand what each of the above PCT items do? Or point me to a previous post (or feel free to tell me to google it .

 

[beastmode45]

Hey RR. Thanks so much for the response.

I have no symptoms so far. I'm getting a full blood Panel tomorrow so should have all other numbers by Tu/We next week. Balls are fine, erections and libido seem normal, energy and workouts fine, and still going up in strength. Took all my measurements yesterday and the last week has little in terms of size change (biceps, chest the same, waist down 1/2"). But like I said strength is better.

Do you still think a full PCT? Can you also help me understand what each of the above PCT items do? Or point me to a previous post (or feel free to tell me to google it .

I gave this more thought and did some more research. Given that I show no other symptoms, I'm going to give it another week and see what the next blood test says. If it's still low, then I'm going to pause my cycle for 4 weeks and run the PCT then restart. This sucks as I was making gains - I hope this doesn't set me too far back.

Last questions:

Do I need the Nolva since I'm running Clomid?

Is the Aromatase needed even without any symptoms?

Should I start the Tongkat too?

I have everything except for the Nolva.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I gave this more thought and did some more research. Given that I show no other symptoms, I'm going to give it another week and see what the next blood test says. If it's still low, then I'm going to pause my cycle for 4 weeks and run the PCT then restart. This sucks as I was making gains - I hope this doesn't set me too far back.

Last questions:

Do I need the Nolva since I'm running Clomid?

Is the Aromatase needed even without any symptoms?

Should I start the Tongkat too?

I have everything except for the Nolva.

i would definitely run nolva with it and yes, use tongkat too... here's my problems and its NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU BRO... your doctor is a major problem and caused this.... i want to know what fucking doctor does what he did... he caused all of this... nothing would make you dip like that in that short amount of time... fucking harsh steroids wouldn't even do that... he caused all of this... my BEST advice to you is to NEVER and i mean NEVER go back to this prick again

 

[beastmode45]

i would definitely run nolva with it and yes, use tongkat too... here's my problems and its NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU BRO... your doctor is a major problem and caused this.... i want to know what fucking doctor does what he did... he caused all of this... nothing would make you dip like that in that short amount of time... fucking harsh steroids wouldn't even do that... he caused all of this... my BEST advice to you is to NEVER and i mean NEVER go back to this prick again

Got it. THANKS!! Yes never going back to him again!