3 months Recovering from Post Finasteride Syndrome

[holyhead]

Been awhile since I posted guys but have been recovering since middle of Febuary after starting a protocol of supplements and Clomid from a Neuro hormone specialist..My old labs were posted earlier but these were taken right at the start of the protocol.

ALSO has Anyone Beat The Physical Side Effects

Anyone recover from the physical sides? I have a totally different body now than before this..I was almost past getting off the couch in Feb but seen a neuro hormone specialist in LA and was put on a round of supplements and clomid..Big turn around after 3 months now my mind is pre finasteride..Mental sides are totally gone.However physical is getting worse and bigger..Its like water filled baby fat all over upper body..Chest, bicep area, stomach, waist etc...Totally alien like but I have great energy and mental clarity now..I am able to work outside now and do chores etc than I couldn't before..Had extensive testing and everything was low, Test, free test, estrogen, dhes, pregnenlone..HGH was virtually nothing I think that is a big factor in the physical sides growth hormone is way low....It also seems less common than the mental and sexual sides but it is an awful condition..I weighed 165 for 15 years now 220..Gained 60lbs and its just like water or fluid all over you are lugging around..Its very tiresome just dead weight...I am on dhea, pregnenolone, tribulus, cognitive aminos,clomid 50mg, vit d, secretropin to increase growth hormone..I have had a big turn around and improvement but the physical body is just mush...My total test was 380, free test was 7.9, estrogen was 16 and growth hormone was low..I go back in June for next labs... I will post the lab results below...

 

[holyhead]

Growth Hormone
<0.03 LN
5ng/ml*




Somatomedin C (IGF-1)**
163 LN
> 200 ng/ml*




IGF BP-3
4800 N
4000 ng/ml*




DHEA-S
161.0 LN
~255 ug/dl*




Testosterone Free
7.91 LN
~14 pg/ml*




Testosterone Total
380 LN
690 ng/ml*




Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)
23.0 N
< 55 ng/Dl*




Sex Hormone Binding Gb
28 N
< 45 pg/ml*




Prostatic PSA
1.86 N
<4.0ng/ml




Estrone (E1)
22.1 N
< 60 pg/ml*




Estradiol (E2)
12.2 N
<25 pg/ml*




Pregnenolone***
27 LN
110ng/dl*




Progesterone**
0.36 LN
0.8ng/ml*




FSH
8.7 N
7 mIU/ml*




LH*** (CPC)
8.2 HN
5.1 mIU/ml




Prolactin
7.9 N
14 ng/ml*




Zinc
94 N
95 mcg/dL*




Insulin
7.2 N
< 25mIU/L




Vitamin D3
65 N
>60 ng/dl*




TSH
2.21 N
<2.5 mcu/ml*




T4, Free
1.31 LN
> 1.5 ng/ml




TSH Index
2.39 N
1.3 – 4.1




T3, Free (total = T3 + rT3)
3.5 N
> 2.5 pg/ml




rT3
135 N
80-250 pg/ml




T3/rT3 Ratio
2.60 N
>1.06




TPO
-
<35

My labs below..


ACTH
39.10 HN
< 35pg/ml *

 

[blaze91]

Been awhile since I posted guys but have been recovering since middle of Febuary after starting a protocol of supplements and Clomid from a Neuro hormone specialist..My old labs were posted earlier but these were taken right at the start of the protocol.

ALSO has Anyone Beat The Physical Side Effects

Anyone recover from the physical sides? I have a totally different body now than before this..I was almost past getting off the couch in Feb but seen a neuro hormone specialist in LA and was put on a round of supplements and clomid..Big turn around after 3 months now my mind is pre finasteride..Mental sides are totally gone.However physical is getting worse and bigger..Its like water filled baby fat all over upper body..Chest, bicep area, stomach, waist etc...Totally alien like but I have great energy and mental clarity now..I am able to work outside now and do chores etc than I couldn't before..Had extensive testing and everything was low, Test, free test, estrogen, dhes, pregnenlone..HGH was virtually nothing I think that is a big factor in the physical sides growth hormone is way low....It also seems less common than the mental and sexual sides but it is an awful condition..I weighed 165 for 15 years now 220..Gained 60lbs and its just like water or fluid all over you are lugging around..Its very tiresome just dead weight...I am on dhea, pregnenolone, tribulus, cognitive aminos,clomid 50mg, vit d, secretropin to increase growth hormone..I have had a big turn around and improvement but the physical body is just mush...My total test was 380, free test was 7.9, estrogen was 16 and growth hormone was low..I go back in June for next labs... I will post the lab results below...

Man bro... them pharma companies that put out this stuff should be prosecuted... Tongkat ali is good for raising test levels.... somehow you have to get rid of that water.... so they have you on clomid continuously? ... have you looked into mk 677 to increase hgh levels?? ...

 

[holyhead]

Man bro... them pharma companies that put out this stuff should be prosecuted... Tongkat ali is good for raising test levels.... somehow you have to get rid of that water.... so they have you on clomid continuously? ... have you looked into mk 677 to increase hgh levels?? ...

No but thanks for the suggestion..Dylan had talked to me and others about this before here..But I wanted to update on my progress since I have improved so much in 3 months..The testing and labs are exhaustiive and high as hell but they are good..He's had me on this protocol for 3 months you pulse dose the clomid 50mg every other day..You get worse for several days and then the improvement starrts..Each morning I noticed my mind was clearer and the crippling anxiety and thoughts of suicide started lifting..I think I would have been dead by now honestly I was so bad when I started...I have took tongkat along time back along with all the other supplements I mentioned above..My hair and skin have also improved some as they were incredibly dry before..My hair was like fried or burnt up straw in texture...

My body has changed alot the shit was like rubber for awhile and now on this program its more watery and gets worse as the day goes on..By night when I come in from work I am about to bust it feels like..It has swollen considerbly more through the day..It does this every day and if you work outside, like mowing or something that day it really gets worse..The aggrivates the hell out of it for some reason..Its an awful state to be in..

I know another guy who is seeing him and he had similar symptoms and he improved on the protocol of clomid etc...as did I..Then he got trt from him and he told me he improved to about 90% and was losing weight now finally..His trt is a brain protocol he uses to treat tramautic brain injuries..He works with a compounding pharmacy to blend the test its not normal trt like most guys with pfs crash from..Its a very low dose each week like your body makes naturally..I believe even before the last study was released he told me it was neuro steriods, a brain disorder or chemical brain trauma this med causes..I think when you stop and hormones jump back up it shocks hpa into failure and your test slowly plumments..Now the guy I mentioned who went through all this similar to myself said even now his growth hormone is not coming back..He said that they want to maybe put him on hgh injections now which I think is very high...Guys this stuff has ruined my life don't even think about touching it the hurt and grief it causes you and your family is unbelievable...Not to mention it cost thousands of dollars just to get back to where I am now..

 

[blaze91]

No but thanks for the suggestion..Dylan had talked to me and others about this before here..But I wanted to update on my progress since I have improved so much in 3 months..The testing and labs are exhaustiive and high as hell but they are good..He's had me on this protocol for 3 months you pulse dose the clomid 50mg every other day..You get worse for several days and then the improvement starrts..Each morning I noticed my mind was clearer and the crippling anxiety and thoughts of suicide started lifting..I think I would have been dead by now honestly I was so bad when I started...I have took tongkat along time back along with all the other supplements I mentioned above..My hair and skin have also improved some as they were incredibly dry before..My hair was like fried or burnt up straw in texture...

My body has changed alot the shit was like rubber for awhile and now on this program its more watery and gets worse as the day goes on..By night when I come in from work I am about to bust it feels like..It has swollen considerbly more through the day..It does this every day and if you work outside, like mowing or something that day it really gets worse..The aggrivates the hell out of it for some reason..Its an awful state to be in..

I know another guy who is seeing him and he had similar symptoms and he improved on the protocol of clomid etc...as did I..Then he got trt from him and he told me he improved to about 90% and was losing weight now finally..His trt is a brain protocol he uses to treat tramautic brain injuries..He works with a compounding pharmacy to blend the test its not normal trt like most guys with pfs crash from..Its a very low dose each week like your body makes naturally..I believe even before the last study was released he told me it was neuro steriods, a brain disorder or chemical brain trauma this med causes..I think when you stop and hormones jump back up it shocks hpa into failure and your test slowly plumments..Now the guy I mentioned who went through all this similar to myself said even now his growth hormone is not coming back..He said that they want to maybe put him on hgh injections now which I think is very high...Guys this stuff has ruined my life don't even think about touching it the hurt and grief it causes you and your family is unbelievable...Not to mention it cost thousands of dollars just to get back to where I am now..

really hope you keep improving Bro... thats so jacked up that Finasteride... thanks for the warning!... So your not on testosterone trt yet?? Plus are they monitoring your kidney function?? all that water can't be good for the kidneys bro.....

 

[cbbram00]

I took Finasteride for about 6 months for my prostate. It really did help me but it did give me brain fog when my DHT levels were too low. I decided to stop and things returned to normal after a few weeks.

I would never recommend anyone taking Finasteride if they're aren't on TRT or running a heavy cycle.

 

[holyhead]

I have not went on trt yet..I won't know till after the next labs in June..

 

[holyhead]

I just ordered the mk-677 from the sarms site..gonna try this and see if it helps...And I heard natural pine pollen also helps with estrogen issues...

 

[cbbram00]

I also tried MENT for TRT (without Test) briefly and I got the same brain fog as I did with Finasteride. That just goes to show you the the male body really does need DHT and it really shouldn't be messed with.

 

[Jimmyjames]

Hey holyhead, yeah, That shit fucked me up totally at only 1mg a day. I was horrified, quit taking it a few years ago and did recover everything. I still take it today but at .05 eod. My experienced side effects were the norm. Low libido, erectile dysfunction, and inability to finish (ejaculate). Trying to keep out hair is a real mind-fuck, in addition to being expensive. I use a topical fin/minox solution that is compounded at a legit pharmacy, supposedly......it goes through your scalp and without causing any side effects. Let me know if your interested.

J

 

[holyhead]

Hey holyhead, yeah, That shit fucked me up totally at only 1mg a day. I was horrified, quit taking it a few years ago and did recover everything. I still take it today but at .05 eod. My experienced side effects were the norm. Low libido, erectile dysfunction, and inability to finish (ejaculate). Trying to keep out hair is a real mind-fuck, in addition to being expensive. I use a topical fin/minox solution that is compounded at a legit pharmacy, supposedly......it goes through your scalp and without causing any side effects. Let me know if your interested.

J

Well thanks dude but don't really care about my hair anymore..I have a full head but it is much different and changed since PFS..Thats another thing not are only the tissues and body different now but my thin spot on crown is not as bad and while you shed hair all the time you never bald back to where you were before finasteride..DHT Is not functioning in the body correctly any longer..I am thinking of stopping the clomid now after three months as my mind and energy is much better but guys the physical side effects of this are catastrophic..Lots don't get the physical sides but one reason i may stop clomid I think as test, estrogen etc..keeps going up I am swelling more and more..Now my stomach, waist is huge with fluid and fat..My bicep area is like a tender "baby fat"..I am still considering just ending it all over the shit its so depressing you can't live a normal life any longer..Some have done the cdnuts method of herb rotation or went the trt route..I don't believe he had the full physical side effects like this however...

 

[holyhead]

Below are my new labs..As you can see the protocol has pushed everything up..The number on the left is my current reading..The middle number is the range and number on the far right is my reading back in Febuary..While I have improved greatly still feel terrible anxiety and weight us up 60lbs..Holding a shit ton of water weight..My growth hormone is now nothing..Even lower than before.

Growth Hormone 5ng/ml* <0.03 LN
Somatomedin C (IGF-1)** 102.0 LN > 200 ng/ml* 163 LN
IGF BP-3 4800 N 4000 ng/ml* 4800 N
DHEA-S* 407.2 HN ~255 ug/dl* 161.0 LN
Testosterone Free (13.84) 15.13 N ~14 pg/ml* 7.91 LN
Testosterone Total 692 N 690 ng/ml* 380 LN
Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) 24.5 N < 55 ng/Dl* 23.0 N
Sex Hormone Binding Gb 30 N < 45 pg/ml* 28 N
Prostatic PSA <4.0ng/ml 1.86 N
Estrone (E1) 19.9 N < 60 pg/ml* 22.1 N
Estradiol (E2) 36.1 HN <25 pg/ml* 12.2 N
Pregnenolone 110ng/dl* 27 LN
Progesterone 0.8ng/ml* 0.36 LN
FSH 7 mIU/ml* 8.7 N
Lutenizing Hormone* (CPC) 15.3 H 5.1 mIU/ml 8.2 HN
Prolactin 14 ng/ml* 7.9 N
Zinc 95 mcg/dL* 94 N
Insulin < 25mIU/L 7.2 N
Vitamin D3 >60 ng/dl* 65 N
TSH <2.5 mcu/ml* 2.21 N
T4, Free > 1.5 ng/ml 1.31 LN
TSH Index 1.3 – 4.1 2.39 N
T3, Free (total = T3 + rT3) > 2.5 pg/ml 3.5 N
rT3 80-250 pg/ml 135 N
T3/rT3 Ratio >1.06 2.60 N
TPO <35 -
ACTH < 35pg/ml * 39.10 HN
Cortisol < 15 ug/dl 19.3 H
* The IDEAL RANGE is at the 50th percentile of optimal. Treatment is geared to 50

 

[Almighty100%bodyfat]

Well thanks dude but don't really care about my hair anymore..I have a full head but it is much different and changed since PFS..Thats another thing not are only the tissues and body different now but my thin spot on crown is not as bad and while you shed hair all the time you never bald back to where you were before finasteride..DHT Is not functioning in the body correctly any longer..I am thinking of stopping the clomid now after three months as my mind and energy is much better but guys the physical side effects of this are catastrophic..Lots don't get the physical sides but one reason i may stop clomid I think as test, estrogen etc..keeps going up I am swelling more and more..Now my stomach, waist is huge with fluid and fat..My bicep area is like a tender "baby fat"..I am still considering just ending it all over the shit its so depressing you can't live a normal life any longer..Some have done the cdnuts method of herb rotation or went the trt route..I don't believe he had the full physical side effects like this however...

Don't kill yourself bro...

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[holyhead]

I am lead to believe that the liver not properly metabolising hormones is causing the fluid and swelling..its less when first waking and worsens through the day..Getting hot and working outside dramatically increased the fluid retention..

 

[TrenathonClenworth]

After my third cycle, I did a full PCT and I stayed off for good this time and every year seems to get worse and worse. The BF% climbs more and more every year despite keeping the nutrition clean and daily cardio. My strength stays the same but I have actually been lifting around the same weight for 3 years now.

 

[holyhead]

You took finasteride? You need to post more info on when and for how long and your symptoms.

 

[holyhead]

Just talked to Dr and am staying on this protocol of supplements and Clomid from 50mg down to 25x3..And he's added lasix and starting 5 month trial of trt 40mgx3 testosterone cypionate..He did use a compounding pharmacy of testosterone cypionate and propinate but said they took the propinate away..

 

[holyhead]

Startin the trt protocol next week will report results..I hope it helps more my body is about gone..Blown up like a whale.

 

[holyhead]

Been on low dose now a month..Trt 40mg twice a week he uses on traumatic brain injury..So far have not noticed any change really..Still on the supplements but stopped the Clomid when I began trt...Body is awful up around 60lbs of strange like watery flab all over stomach and upper body...

 

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