And just to show you how we are all different, wimpy azz winny has never done anything for me. One year I made a water suspension and also an oil soluble winny. I used all three .Every day was 50mg, whether it was oral,water base, or in oil. I always did get a little strength bump at some point, but never anyhting worth writing about. This is the most disappointing aas that I have ever used. I have tried winny on four different types of cycles with no results. So there are non responders.It is shame because in those days I was a horse vet and winny was an animal script.I could get as much as I wanted.I gave some to a friend who immediately got ripped and hard on it and that was all that he was taking. Once I contracted Hep A in an undeveloped country that put winny in the trash for good. It is an oral so there are liver enzymes to pay attention to.