After rolling with and without GW and Ostabolic I can tell you they have become a requirement for me on a cycle or just SARMS alone cycle if I want the best results. The fat loss alone is worth it. My diet and training was locked on as well. I have not yet tried SR but will in the future. My wife used GW by itself for her first SARMS cycle. She had a DEXA scan before and after. It was impressive visually and gains were verified by the DEXA scans. I would give it a try. If SARMSX ever reopens I'm going big on the SARMS. Like everything else you can take, great results come with proper nutrition and lifting like you mean it.