Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

[jaharris1701]

hey gang,, question,, I've been running Sustanon 250 for a while, have tried cyp, prop and enanthate, I've made good gains with Sustanon and have stuck with that for the longest but is it a good idea to "switch" it up now and then to keep the body off guard ? Or is one generally more preferred then the other ? I know Sust has a blend of quicker and longer esters where the others are generally longer esters,, I am 56 yrs old and would guess my body doesnt provide much natural test so I assume it's ok to "stay" on test pretty much all the time right ?
I like to throw in a curve now and then ,, some deca or some anadrol just to change things up and catch the body off guard as I feel it probably gets use to the same old thing
I realize this may be a "rookie" question but until a few years ago I was natural bodybuilder and also sources like this forum were not available ,,
Thanks for your help
btw, I run 1cc every 5 days

 

[Saiyan]

Yea bro. You need to be on TRT. Have you ever had bloods done to see your natural levels? What you are talking about is a cruise and blast. I would suggest you cruise at 200mg of test cyp. And then on your blasts you would just increase it a little and add your other compounds.

Tell us a little more about yourself though. Size, goals, experience is a good start.

 

[jaharris1701]

I've been lifting on and off my entire adult life,, pretty steady and serious ,,
I currently am 5' 9" tall and weigh 205
I work out 5 days a week, blasting 1 body part per day on a push/pull plan
a few years back I hooked up with an old friend at a gym and it was obvious he juiced, well he had "connections" through a well known clinic that supported many top level MMA fighters so he suggested I start with Sustanon 250 at 1cc every 5 days, so I did that and changed every now and then to the other blends, I did that for probably 3 years then I got off everything for a period, I got my lazy butt back in the gym and started Sust again and had some left over Dbol and used that as a "jump start" and put 20 lbs on right away as I assume my "receptors" were clean again
my average body weight was around 180-190 and currently at 205 so I have made great gains
I would still like to add more quality muscle though as I think that most bodybuilders probably do as well as gain vascularity and hardness
I have never had blood done ,, I realize it's probably a good idea to do so, I'm just one of those guys who NEVER goes to a doctor unless I'm on my DEATH bed which I realize is probably not the best mind set :roll:
I am considering incorporating a cycle of SARMS after doing some reading here as another " blast"
Thanks again for your guys input !!

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

I've been lifting on and off my entire adult life,, pretty steady and serious ,,
I currently am 5' 9" tall and weigh 205
I work out 5 days a week, blasting 1 body part per day on a push/pull plan
a few years back I hooked up with an old friend at a gym and it was obvious he juiced, well he had "connections" through a well known clinic that supported many top level MMA fighters so he suggested I start with Sustanon 250 at 1cc every 5 days, so I did that and changed every now and then to the other blends, I did that for probably 3 years then I got off everything for a period, I got my lazy butt back in the gym and started Sust again and had some left over Dbol and used that as a "jump start" and put 20 lbs on right away as I assume my "receptors" were clean again
my average body weight was around 180-190 and currently at 205 so I have made great gains
I would still like to add more quality muscle though as I think that most bodybuilders probably do as well as gain vascularity and hardness
I have never had blood done ,, I realize it's probably a good idea to do so, I'm just one of those guys who NEVER goes to a doctor unless I'm on my DEATH bed which I realize is probably not the best mind set :roll:
I am considering incorporating a cycle of SARMS after doing some reading here as another " blast"
Thanks again for your guys input !!

You really should get your bloods taken. Are you using an AI, and any other supports? Using that much test per week for multiple years without ever checking your bloods is rather wreckless. You can't just put yourself on self administered trt without doing the other things that are vital to your health and longevity. You should get your bloods checked immediately.

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[jaharris1701]

You really should get your bloods taken. Are you using an AI, and any other supports? Using that much test per week for multiple years without ever checking your bloods is rather wreckless. You can't just put yourself on self administered trt without doing the other things that are vital to your health and longevity. You should get your bloods checked immediately.

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I've been taking "Cycle support" from Iron labs nutrition
I did go off the test all together for probably 2 years and recently went back on, but you are probably correct in that I SHOULD get my blood work done

 

[jaharris1701]

I really wasnt under the impression that 1cc was " a lot" of test to be doing at my age, I've know guys at the gym who were doing MANY times more then that, doing less then that and I don't know I would "feel" anything

 

[RickRock]

I suggest you read up on Blast and Cruise. We have a thread going about it on this forum that covers quite a bit. Your blast phase should be just like a cycle, limited to 12-16 weeks max where you would run higher doses of compounds of your choice. Then after that blasting phase you would return to a cruise dose to let your body normalize and return health markers to baseline. Cruising dose is normally between 150-250mg of test per week, with 200mg being the average. You doing 1cc of Sustanon 250 every 5 days is ,uh higher than a cruising dose, and doing that long term over several years, can lead to serious health consequence like thickening of the blood, high RBC count, increased hematocrit, higher HDL and lower LDL, increased blood pressure, etc...

I would also recommend getting all your blood work done. You are a great candidate for TRT, But if you are going to be self administering you need to do it safely for your health.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

I really wasnt under the impression that 1cc was " a lot" of test to be doing at my age, I've know guys at the gym who were doing MANY times more then that, doing less then that and I don't know I would "feel" anything

Well, the issue is the fact that you're administering 1cc a week without knowing what's going on inside. Your age doesn't matter, your test levels are what matters. Also, you're not doing 1cc per week, you're doing 1cc every 5 days. It's good you're taking a support supplement but what about an AI? For all you know your e levels could be out of control. The point is no amount of test is safe, no matter what the age is, if you're not monitoring your bloods or under a doctor's supervision; especially, for extended periods of time.


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[drb_iac]

I really wasnt under the impression that 1cc was " a lot" of test to be doing at my age, I've know guys at the gym who were doing MANY times more then that, doing less then that and I don't know I would "feel" anything

Dude-I am 66 and get my bloods done every 6 months..of course medicare pays the bill. My test is ok..to the low side of normal. I am just going to begin trt, but it will only be 150mg test. Every time I go on a cycle my ldl, hdl,and tris go off the table. If I stay off for 2-3 months it all returns to normal, even with no supps.
As for sus it is fine if that is what you like. I do a rather unorthodox cycle of 250 sus + 250 cyp for my test base. Seems when I just do 500 cyp then I feel the might about 2-3 days before it is time for next dose. I do not feel it all week long. When I combine sus with cyp I feel like I am getting dosed everyday. So my cycle is 250sus +250 cyp +200 deca +400eq for 14 -16 weeks. Sometimes in the last 4-5 weeks I will go to 800eq.This seems to be my all time favorite feel good cycle.
Now starting trt I have ended my cycle and will go ahead and take clomid and begin trt in 3 months. My problem right now is that I do not know how much test it takes to whack my ldl and hdl. It is a new experiment for me, and as you can see blood work is VITAL. I will probably use a SARM like gw and then every week do 75mg each of sus/cyp. Blood work will determine where I go from there, so yes...get your blood work done..including rbc, and liver enzymes.

 

[JM750]

I did go off the test all together for probably 2 years and recently went back on, but you are probably correct in that I SHOULD get my blood work done

So when you went off for 2 years, did you do any pct? (post cycle therapy) This is what gets your natural test production back up and running. If not, I'm curious to how your libido was? It should have been in the dumps. And I'm not even sure how long it would take for it to come back on its own without a pct?

You don't need to go to your primary doc for bloods. You can go to private clinics, and pay a small fee and they don't ask any questions about what or why you are testing your testosterone levels.

 

[RickRock]

I did go off the test all together for probably 2 years and recently went back on, but you are probably correct in that I SHOULD get my blood work done

So when you went off for 2 years, did you do any pct? (post cycle therapy) This is what gets your natural test production back up and running. If not, I'm curious to how your libido was? It should have been in the dumps. And I'm not even sure how long it would take for it to come back on its own without a pct?

You don't need to go to your primary doc for bloods. You can go to private clinics, and pay a small fee and they don't ask any questions about what or why you are testing your testosterone levels.

This is correct. You can get your own bloodwork done privately by going to places like www.privatemdlabs.com

 

[jaharris1701]

thank you guys for all the info !!
JM750 when I went "off" I did NOT do any sort of post cycle therapy, I was told ( again from fellow members whom I trusted ) that I was " giving my body what it needed " and if I decided to go off my natural system would go back to normal after a short while because I " wasn't doing much anyways"
only recently did I go back "on" so after reading this I DO intend to go get my blood work done and cycle down after 12-16 weeks or so
Rick I will definitely look up and read your recommendation on the blast and cruise
goes to show you cant trust everyone in the gym,, even the guys who supposedly KNOW what they are talking about
as for my libido, I've NEVER had an issue with that,, my stuff has always worked when needed
ibleedoranbla I dont take an "AI" until I started reading this forum I didnt even know what that was,, I guess I need to read deeper ,, any recommendations would be appreciated
I cant tell you guys how knowing a site like this exists and there are people whom I can talk to openly gives me a great sense of assurance ,, I dont know that thats the right word, but again, I was going under people whom I had known for YEARS advice and I BET the gyms are LOADED with people doing the same exact thing, I am SURE of that, you guys seem to know what's going on !!

 

[Savage55]

I did go off the test all together for probably 2 years and recently went back on, but you are probably correct in that I SHOULD get my blood work done

So when you went off for 2 years, did you do any pct? (post cycle therapy) This is what gets your natural test production back up and running. If not, I'm curious to how your libido was? It should have been in the dumps. And I'm not even sure how long it would take for it to come back on its own without a pct?

You don't need to go to your primary doc for bloods. You can go to private clinics, and pay a small fee and they don't ask any questions about what or why you are testing your testosterone levels.

This is correct. You can get your own bloodwork done privately by going to places like http://www.privatemdlabs.com

Thanks for posting this link RR. What is the best all around test to get? Is there a test that will give you results for everything vital b4 starting a cycle and then post cycle? Ive just had my doc test for liver kidneys HDL and LDL recently but would like info on more extensive test options for future. Im just running Sarms for next 4-6 months to cut weight and get BF down but this would be good to down the road

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

thank you guys for all the info !!
JM750 when I went "off" I did NOT do any sort of post cycle therapy, I was told ( again from fellow members whom I trusted ) that I was " giving my body what it needed " and if I decided to go off my natural system would go back to normal after a short while because I " wasn't doing much anyways"
only recently did I go back "on" so after reading this I DO intend to go get my blood work done and cycle down after 12-16 weeks or so
Rick I will definitely look up and read your recommendation on the blast and cruise
goes to show you cant trust everyone in the gym,, even the guys who supposedly KNOW what they are talking about
as for my libido, I've NEVER had an issue with that,, my stuff has always worked when needed
ibleedoranbla I dont take an "AI" until I started reading this forum I didnt even know what that was,, I guess I need to read deeper ,, any recommendations would be appreciated
I cant tell you guys how knowing a site like this exists and there are people whom I can talk to openly gives me a great sense of assurance ,, I dont know that thats the right word, but again, I was going under people whom I had known for YEARS advice and I BET the gyms are LOADED with people doing the same exact thing, I am SURE of that, you guys seem to know what's going on !!

That is exactly what we're here for. Our main goal here is to give concrete advice that is solely in your best health interests. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misguided and uneducated people from all walks of life out there. That is why it is essential to do your own homework and take what everyone says with a grain of salt, even us here. At the end of the day the only person that is truly looking out for you is you.

An "ai" is an aromatase inhibitor. Basically what happens when you supplement yourself with extra testosterone your body releases what is called the aromatase enzyme. The aromatase enzyme then attached itself to the extra testosterone and converts it to estrogen. The reason for this is because your body is always trying to remain in a state of homeostasis aka hormonal balance. What an ai does is it destroys the aromatse enzyme ability to convert to estrogen. There are a few different ways this is done and there are 3 different popular ai's, aromasin, arimadex, and letrozole. Aromasin is king when it comes to ai's. Letrozole is the strongest out of all of them but it's really something you want to stay away from unless it's completely necessary for you to use. Letro brings on a lot of nasty side effects because it basically destroys all the estrogen in your body. As men we need a certain amount of estrogen to live a healthy life. On the other hand, too high of estrogen can be just as bad and bring on very bad sides like, acne, water retention, and gynecomastia (bitch tits) to name a few. You're lucky you haven't experienced any nasty sides from elevated e yet. Definitely get your bloods checked and you can post your results here and everyone can tell you where you need to go from there. In the meantime, you should do some very good research on proper post cycle therapy, Clomid, nolvadex, and aromasin. Also, if I were you, I would go ahead and invest in those 3 products right now.

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[JM750]

One thing to note also. Some guys are really prone to gyno. I run very little Arimidex in a blast because I just don't get gyno. Others have to run plenty of it and maybe letro as well.

 

[jaharris1701]

I've never had any issue with gyno,, very fortunate in that respect !!

 

[jaharris1701]

Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

thank you guys for all the info !!
JM750 when I went "off" I did NOT do any sort of post cycle therapy, I was told ( again from fellow members whom I trusted ) that I was " giving my body what it needed " and if I decided to go off my natural system would go back to normal after a short while because I " wasn't doing much anyways"
only recently did I go back "on" so after reading this I DO intend to go get my blood work done and cycle down after 12-16 weeks or so
Rick I will definitely look up and read your recommendation on the blast and cruise
goes to show you cant trust everyone in the gym,, even the guys who supposedly KNOW what they are talking about
as for my libido, I've NEVER had an issue with that,, my stuff has always worked when needed
ibleedoranbla I dont take an "AI" until I started reading this forum I didnt even know what that was,, I guess I need to read deeper ,, any recommendations would be appreciated
I cant tell you guys how knowing a site like this exists and there are people whom I can talk to openly gives me a great sense of assurance ,, I dont know that thats the right word, but again, I was going under people whom I had known for YEARS advice and I BET the gyms are LOADED with people doing the same exact thing, I am SURE of that, you guys seem to know what's going on !!

That is exactly what we're here for. Our main goal here is to give concrete advice that is solely in your best health interests. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misguided and uneducated people from all walks of life out there. That is why it is essential to do your own homework and take what everyone says with a grain of salt, even us here. At the end of the day the only person that is truly looking out for you is you.

An "ai" is an aromatase inhibitor. Basically what happens when you supplement yourself with extra testosterone your body releases what is called the aromatase enzyme. The aromatase enzyme then attached itself to the extra testosterone and converts it to estrogen. The reason for this is because your body is always trying to remain in a state of homeostasis aka hormonal balance. What an ai does is it destroys the aromatse enzyme ability to convert to estrogen. There are a few different ways this is done and there are 3 different popular ai's, aromasin, arimadex, and letrozole. Aromasin is king when it comes to ai's. Letrozole is the strongest out of all of them but it's really something you want to stay away from unless it's completely necessary for you to use. Letro brings on a lot of nasty side effects because it basically destroys all the estrogen in your body. As men we need a certain amount of estrogen to live a healthy life. On the other hand, too high of estrogen can be just as bad and bring on very bad sides like, acne, water retention, and gynecomastia (bitch tits) to name a few. You're lucky you haven't experienced any nasty sides from elevated e yet. Definitely get your bloods checked and you can post your results here and everyone can tell you where you need to go from there. In the meantime, you should do some very good research on proper post cycle therapy, Clomid, nolvadex, and aromasin. Also, if I were you, I would go ahead and invest in those 3 products right now.

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Thank you for the explanation !! yeah I have some homework to do and I will be spending more time around here !!
Thanks again !!

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

thank you guys for all the info !!
JM750 when I went "off" I did NOT do any sort of post cycle therapy, I was told ( again from fellow members whom I trusted ) that I was " giving my body what it needed " and if I decided to go off my natural system would go back to normal after a short while because I " wasn't doing much anyways"
only recently did I go back "on" so after reading this I DO intend to go get my blood work done and cycle down after 12-16 weeks or so
Rick I will definitely look up and read your recommendation on the blast and cruise
goes to show you cant trust everyone in the gym,, even the guys who supposedly KNOW what they are talking about
as for my libido, I've NEVER had an issue with that,, my stuff has always worked when needed
ibleedoranbla I dont take an "AI" until I started reading this forum I didnt even know what that was,, I guess I need to read deeper ,, any recommendations would be appreciated
I cant tell you guys how knowing a site like this exists and there are people whom I can talk to openly gives me a great sense of assurance ,, I dont know that thats the right word, but again, I was going under people whom I had known for YEARS advice and I BET the gyms are LOADED with people doing the same exact thing, I am SURE of that, you guys seem to know what's going on !!

That is exactly what we're here for. Our main goal here is to give concrete advice that is solely in your best health interests. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misguided and uneducated people from all walks of life out there. That is why it is essential to do your own homework and take what everyone says with a grain of salt, even us here. At the end of the day the only person that is truly looking out for you is you.

An "ai" is an aromatase inhibitor. Basically what happens when you supplement yourself with extra testosterone your body releases what is called the aromatase enzyme. The aromatase enzyme then attached itself to the extra testosterone and converts it to estrogen. The reason for this is because your body is always trying to remain in a state of homeostasis aka hormonal balance. What an ai does is it destroys the aromatse enzyme ability to convert to estrogen. There are a few different ways this is done and there are 3 different popular ai's, aromasin, arimadex, and letrozole. Aromasin is king when it comes to ai's. Letrozole is the strongest out of all of them but it's really something you want to stay away from unless it's completely necessary for you to use. Letro brings on a lot of nasty side effects because it basically destroys all the estrogen in your body. As men we need a certain amount of estrogen to live a healthy life. On the other hand, too high of estrogen can be just as bad and bring on very bad sides like, acne, water retention, and gynecomastia (bitch tits) to name a few. You're lucky you haven't experienced any nasty sides from elevated e yet. Definitely get your bloods checked and you can post your results here and everyone can tell you where you need to go from there. In the meantime, you should do some very good research on proper post cycle therapy, Clomid, nolvadex, and aromasin. Also, if I were you, I would go ahead and invest in those 3 products right now.

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Thank you for the explanation !! yeah I have some homework to do and I will be spending more time around here !!
Thanks again !!

No problem man, that's what we're here for.

If you're planning on doing self administered trt than you don't need to worry about investing in Clomid and nolvadex but you should still research them and get an understanding of what they are.

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[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Which Testosterone ? Switch it up ?

I did go off the test all together for probably 2 years and recently went back on, but you are probably correct in that I SHOULD get my blood work done

So when you went off for 2 years, did you do any pct? (post cycle therapy) This is what gets your natural test production back up and running. If not, I'm curious to how your libido was? It should have been in the dumps. And I'm not even sure how long it would take for it to come back on its own without a pct?

You don't need to go to your primary doc for bloods. You can go to private clinics, and pay a small fee and they don't ask any questions about what or why you are testing your testosterone levels.

This is correct. You can get your own bloodwork done privately by going to places like http://www.privatemdlabs.com

Thanks for posting this link RR. What is the best all around test to get? Is there a test that will give you results for everything vital b4 starting a cycle and then post cycle? Ive just had my doc test for liver kidneys HDL and LDL recently but would like info on more extensive test options for future. Im just running Sarms for next 4-6 months to cut weight and get BF down but this would be good to down the road

It depends on what you want to test for bro. There are a variety of tests to choose from. If you are concerned with Test levels, estrogen, FSH, and LH then choose the female hormone panel. I know it says female, but ignore that. It covers everything you need for those areas

 

[jaharris1701]

I really wasnt under the impression that 1cc was " a lot" of test to be doing at my age, I've know guys at the gym who were doing MANY times more then that, doing less then that and I don't know I would "feel" anything

Dude-I am 66 and get my bloods done every 6 months..of course medicare pays the bill. My test is ok..to the low side of normal. I am just going to begin trt, but it will only be 150mg test. Every time I go on a cycle my ldl, hdl,and tris go off the table. If I stay off for 2-3 months it all returns to normal, even with no supps.
As for sus it is fine if that is what you like. I do a rather unorthodox cycle of 250 sus + 250 cyp for my test base. Seems when I just do 500 cyp then I feel the might about 2-3 days before it is time for next dose. I do not feel it all week long. When I combine sus with cyp I feel like I am getting dosed everyday. So my cycle is 250sus +250 cyp +200 deca +400eq for 14 -16 weeks. Sometimes in the last 4-5 weeks I will go to 800eq.This seems to be my all time favorite feel good cycle.
Now starting trt I have ended my cycle and will go ahead and take clomid and begin trt in 3 months. My problem right now is that I do not know how much test it takes to whack my ldl and hdl. It is a new experiment for me, and as you can see blood work is VITAL. I will probably use a SARM like gw and then every week do 75mg each of sus/cyp. Blood work will determine where I go from there, so yes...get your blood work done..including rbc, and liver enzymes.

I may have to try your cycle thanks for the input, the sponsors have EQ?