The Future of Sarms!

[21infantry]

Without getting into specifics are we going to be seeing some Sarms in the future that truly rival anabolics in there ability to put on mass? Right now LGD is the strongest Sarm in the sense of its ability to produce muscle, from what I have read and concluded its right below Test in that ability but still potent. But are we going to be seeing things that rival anavar in its effects in the short term future. I'm just curious for the people in the know.

 

[Tha_waco_kid]

Rival real gear? I highly doubt it

That being said science and technology is constantly advancing and it would be foolish to believe that something won't be invented that will be better.


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[21infantry]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

 

[jjfingers]

Anabolics are a Schedule III drug in the US. All you really need to know about the legal aspect right there.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by Man's Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

with that being said, if you dont feel comfortable then don't do anything, it's that simple. But if it's simply about legality issues then who cares? if this was the 70s then it would be OK, or if we were overseas it would be Legal? in US, roids bad, overseas roids good. Do you see the Contradiction?? 17 porn bad, 18 porn good?? I want nothing to do with Porn regardless of age it destroys your mind and hurts your family values, plus it is peoples sons and daughters, how would you like your daughter on a pic naked for everyone to look at?? That would kill me man.. Also if I am in amsterdam its legal to smoke Pot but in USA it is illegal? Its all Man Made garbage restrictions, I dont smoke Pot because I chose not to, I dont care who says yes or no it is my life not theirs. i dont drink because i choose not to. they say its ok for me to drink, i say WRONG its not ok for me to drink. I CHOOSE they dont..

 

[21infantry]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by man Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

Agree, I live in Germany, but work for the Military. So I must obey the law to continue to support my family, its really that simple.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by man Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

Agree, I live in Germany, but work for the Military. So I must obey the law to continue to support my family, its really that simple.

Sweet man. I was in the Navy for 5 years, and my wifes dad currently works for army in Germany, hes an engineer.

have you read about SARMS. im not sure about german laws but in usa they are legal.

 

[xdevinxsoccer]

Re: RE: Re: The Future of Sarms!

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by Man's Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

with that being said, if you dont feel comfortable then don't do anything, it's that simple. But if it's simply about legality issues then who cares? if this was the 70s then it would be OK, or if we were overseas it would be Legal? in US, roids bad, overseas roids good. Do you see the Contradiction?? 17 porn bad, 18 porn good?? I want nothing to do with Porn regardless of age it destroys your mind and hurts your family values, plus it is peoples sons and daughters, how would you like your daughter on a pic naked for everyone to look at?? That would kill me man.. Also if I am in amsterdam its legal to smoke Pot but in USA it is illegal? Its all Man Made garbage restrictions, I dont smoke Pot because I chose not to, I dont care who says yes or no it is my life not theirs. i dont drink because i choose not to. they say its ok for me to drink, i say WRONG its not ok for me to drink. I CHOOSE they dont..

That was beautifully said!

 

[21infantry]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by man Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

Agree, I live in Germany, but work for the Military. So I must obey the law to continue to support my family, its really that simple.

Sweet man. I was in the Navy for 5 years, and my wifes dad currently works for army in Germany, hes an engineer.

have you read about SARMS. im not sure about german laws but in usa they are legal.

Yeah have no issues with SARMS, the legality of Sarms in Germany I have no idea probably illegal to be honest. But if it can be delivered in the mail to a APO address then its legal for us to posses in Germany. Half the supplements sold in the PX are illegal without a doctors prescription in Germany but we can posses them because of te aggrement we have with Germany. We just cant distribute to German Nationals.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I want to be using gear, but the legality and legal consequences are to much for me. Its hard to find out what is legal and not legal in the steroid world, sarms is pretty much straight forward, so its not a issue for me and I'm not going to spend anytime in jail over it. So Sarms eventually rivaling roids or just getting 3/4 of the potential is a awesome feat. Supposley LGD is about half way their to be considered real gear status.

do you live in USA? then steroids are Illegal. that's all there is to know about the legality. but you know what else is illegal? speeding. you know what is LEGAL? getting completely wasted at the bar, filling your lungs full of cancerous gases, looking at Pornography, Cussing, etc etc. In other words I dont give two PISS about what is illegal or legal by man Law, that law was created by imperfect people like me and you, its Gods Law we should worry about and we should be good people everyday NOT just when in public view. using anabolics doesnt make anyone a bad person with bad character, its bad behavior/action and bad thinking/mindsets that make people Evil. you have to understand why anabolics are illegal, because its about Control/Money/Power. has absolutely nothing to do with your health, if the govt cared about your health they wouldnt spray your food with pesticides and put chemicals in your drinking water and spray metals in the air with jets and they wouldnt let people destroy their lives with alcohol, tobacco, porn, etc. BUT the fact of the matter is the govt doesnt give a care about anyones health, they just want money and power and they want people to be docile, submissive, and stupid.

Agree, I live in Germany, but work for the Military. So I must obey the law to continue to support my family, its really that simple.

Sweet man. I was in the Navy for 5 years, and my wifes dad currently works for army in Germany, hes an engineer.

have you read about SARMS. im not sure about german laws but in usa they are legal.

Yeah have no issues with SARMS, the legality of Sarms in Germany I have no idea probably illegal to be honest. But if it can be delivered in the mail to a APO address then its legal for us to posses in Germany. Half the supplements sold in the PX are illegal without a doctors prescription in Germany but we can posses them because of te aggrement we have with Germany. We just cant distribute to German Nationals.

Ok SARMS may be the way to go for you then..

 

[21infantry]

Agree, actually sarms is in my situation the smart legit choice that actually helps you more then a little.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Without getting into specifics are we going to be seeing some Sarms in the future that truly rival anabolics in there ability to put on mass? Right now LGD is the strongest Sarm in the sense of its ability to produce muscle, from what I have read and concluded its right below Test in that ability but still potent. But are we going to be seeing things that rival anavar in its effects in the short term future. I'm just curious for the people in the know.

Very well said bro... the beauty of sarms in general is their versatility... also ease of use... whether you care cutting, bulking, recomping etc. sarms always have a place... they serve such a wide variety of purposes, not to mention the lack of side effects, recovery time and ability to continue usage throughout the year... it makes sense on so many levels... of course, the drastic type results from steroids are not going to be made but when you break it down... some steroids have major drastic changes that occur but for how long? at what price? how sustainable are the gains made? so if one gains 20 lbs. on dbol, 10 of which is water weight and also endures shutdown, methylated sides, huge spikes in estrogen etc. then by the end, lets say for example 8-10 lbs. are retained but just how clean are they and at what cost was it to the person's overall health? now, take lgd which you can get 7-10 lbs. from... definitely not a drastic blow up in 4 weeks but at what cost? minor and i mean very minor suppression.. and what else? what other side effect? right, there is none... how sustainable and clean are the gains? VERY MUCH... how long is recovery? a few weeks if anything just to be safe... how big is the pct? exactly, barely anything and some will argue one is not needed but im all about precautionary measures... so of course, drastic gains from steroids are far superior but look at the BIG PICTURE, the overall picture... then you tell me what sounds better in the LONG RUN? I do not feel it takes a person holding a PHD to put this all together...

 

[21infantry]

Without getting into specifics are we going to be seeing some Sarms in the future that truly rival anabolics in there ability to put on mass? Right now LGD is the strongest Sarm in the sense of its ability to produce muscle, from what I have read and concluded its right below Test in that ability but still potent. But are we going to be seeing things that rival anavar in its effects in the short term future. I'm just curious for the people in the know.

Very well said bro... the beauty of sarms in general is their versatility... also ease of use... whether you care cutting, bulking, recomping etc. sarms always have a place... they serve such a wide variety of purposes, not to mention the lack of side effects, recovery time and ability to continue usage throughout the year... it makes sense on so many levels... of course, the drastic type results from steroids are not going to be made but when you break it down... some steroids have major drastic changes that occur but for how long? at what price? how sustainable are the gains made? so if one gains 20 lbs. on dbol, 10 of which is water weight and also endures shutdown, methylated sides, huge spikes in estrogen etc. then by the end, lets say for example 8-10 lbs. are retained but just how clean are they and at what cost was it to the person's overall health? now, take lgd which you can get 7-10 lbs. from... definitely not a drastic blow up in 4 weeks but at what cost? minor and i mean very minor suppression.. and what else? what other side effect? right, there is none... how sustainable and clean are the gains? VERY MUCH... how long is recovery? a few weeks if anything just to be safe... how big is the pct? exactly, barely anything and some will argue one is not needed but im all about precautionary measures... so of course, drastic gains from steroids are far superior but look at the BIG PICTURE, the overall picture... then you tell me what sounds better in the LONG RUN? I do not feel it takes a person holding a PHD to put this all together...

Agreed. but one thing I disagree on is that 7 to 10lbs of clean muscle in two months is drastic. For most well trained individuals gaining 10lbs of muscle in a year is great progess. To do that in two months, wow. My rat is going on a 12 week cycle of LGD, S4 and GW if he gains just 7lbs and drops 3 to 4% BF I would be estatic. I don't even think I desire anymore then that, then again my muscle mass is above average right now and I am not looking to be the most yoked in the gym if you know what I mean,

 

[DylanGemelli]

Without getting into specifics are we going to be seeing some Sarms in the future that truly rival anabolics in there ability to put on mass? Right now LGD is the strongest Sarm in the sense of its ability to produce muscle, from what I have read and concluded its right below Test in that ability but still potent. But are we going to be seeing things that rival anavar in its effects in the short term future. I'm just curious for the people in the know.

Very well said bro... the beauty of sarms in general is their versatility... also ease of use... whether you care cutting, bulking, recomping etc. sarms always have a place... they serve such a wide variety of purposes, not to mention the lack of side effects, recovery time and ability to continue usage throughout the year... it makes sense on so many levels... of course, the drastic type results from steroids are not going to be made but when you break it down... some steroids have major drastic changes that occur but for how long? at what price? how sustainable are the gains made? so if one gains 20 lbs. on dbol, 10 of which is water weight and also endures shutdown, methylated sides, huge spikes in estrogen etc. then by the end, lets say for example 8-10 lbs. are retained but just how clean are they and at what cost was it to the person's overall health? now, take lgd which you can get 7-10 lbs. from... definitely not a drastic blow up in 4 weeks but at what cost? minor and i mean very minor suppression.. and what else? what other side effect? right, there is none... how sustainable and clean are the gains? VERY MUCH... how long is recovery? a few weeks if anything just to be safe... how big is the pct? exactly, barely anything and some will argue one is not needed but im all about precautionary measures... so of course, drastic gains from steroids are far superior but look at the BIG PICTURE, the overall picture... then you tell me what sounds better in the LONG RUN? I do not feel it takes a person holding a PHD to put this all together...

Agreed. but one thing I disagree on is that 7 to 10lbs of clean muscle in two months is drastic. For most well trained individuals gaining 10lbs of muscle in a year is great progess. To do that in two months, wow. My rat is going on a 12 week cycle of LGD, S4 and GW if he gains just 7lbs and drops 3 to 4% BF I would be estatic. I don't even think I desire anymore then that, then again my muscle mass is above average right now and I am not looking to be the most yoked in the gym if you know what I mean,

it is drastic, absolutely... i guess the point was to explain to others who ONLY want super drastic but for me, anything that puts that kind of size on and its very sustainable is very drastic so i agree for usre...

 

[RickRock]

Without getting into specifics are we going to be seeing some Sarms in the future that truly rival anabolics in there ability to put on mass? Right now LGD is the strongest Sarm in the sense of its ability to produce muscle, from what I have read and concluded its right below Test in that ability but still potent. But are we going to be seeing things that rival anavar in its effects in the short term future. I'm just curious for the people in the know.

Very well said bro... the beauty of sarms in general is their versatility... also ease of use... whether you care cutting, bulking, recomping etc. sarms always have a place... they serve such a wide variety of purposes, not to mention the lack of side effects, recovery time and ability to continue usage throughout the year... it makes sense on so many levels... of course, the drastic type results from steroids are not going to be made but when you break it down... some steroids have major drastic changes that occur but for how long? at what price? how sustainable are the gains made? so if one gains 20 lbs. on dbol, 10 of which is water weight and also endures shutdown, methylated sides, huge spikes in estrogen etc. then by the end, lets say for example 8-10 lbs. are retained but just how clean are they and at what cost was it to the person's overall health? now, take lgd which you can get 7-10 lbs. from... definitely not a drastic blow up in 4 weeks but at what cost? minor and i mean very minor suppression.. and what else? what other side effect? right, there is none... how sustainable and clean are the gains? VERY MUCH... how long is recovery? a few weeks if anything just to be safe... how big is the pct? exactly, barely anything and some will argue one is not needed but im all about precautionary measures... so of course, drastic gains from steroids are far superior but look at the BIG PICTURE, the overall picture... then you tell me what sounds better in the LONG RUN? I do not feel it takes a person holding a PHD to put this all together...

And this right here is the absolute truth. Sarms may not be as powerful as steroids, and never will be, but that doesn't mean you can't make substantial gains with them that are much more keepable, and a whole lot more than anything that can be done naturally. All with minimal suppression and effect on the HPTA, and virtually no negative impact on health with no side effects to speak of

 

[drb_iac]

Did you say that you were not sure if sarms were legal in germany? They must be. Do what you are comfortable with, but don't try to compare sarms with aas. I do not see science coming out with anything that can compete with aas. The main thing with aas is use.. do not abuse. Also if you find a sarms suppier will you know if it is real? I am certain that pure essence could ship to germany, and they probably know the legal status.

 

[21infantry]

Did you say that you were not sure if sarms were legal in germany? They must be. Do what you are comfortable with, but don't try to compare sarms with aas. I do not see science coming out with anything that can compete with aas. The main thing with aas is use.. do not abuse. Also if you find a sarms suppier will you know if it is real? I am certain that pure essence could ship to germany, and they probably know the legal status.

Not worried about the legality of it in Germany, I am a speaical case as I live in Germany under a different set of rules. I actually have a US address, from door to door its handled by the US Postal service no German Customs involoved at all. Its basically like shipping from state to state. The Military stationed in Germany are 100% self suffiecient.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Did you say that you were not sure if sarms were legal in germany? They must be. Do what you are comfortable with, but don't try to compare sarms with aas. I do not see science coming out with anything that can compete with aas. The main thing with aas is use.. do not abuse. Also if you find a sarms suppier will you know if it is real? I am certain that pure essence could ship to germany, and they probably know the legal status.

Not worried about the legality of it in Germany, I am a speaical case as I live in Germany under a different set of rules. I actually have a US address, from door to door its handled by the US Postal service no German Customs involoved at all. Its basically like shipping from state to state. The Military stationed in Germany are 100% self suffiecient.

i am also very aware that sarms are completely okay by military standards...

 

[21infantry]

If there is going to be a problem its going to be on the German end of things, or customs to be exact, they do spot check mail from time to time. It is illegal to posses SARMS in Germany I found out. Reading their guidelines almost every substance used in bodybuilding is Illegal in Germany. For the past 10 years I had no clue about this, as I had ordered countless times supplements online from the states that wouldn't make it through German customs. Just food for thought to show that the FDA is progressive and understanding compared to many foreighn governments, most protiens in the US would be considered PED in Germany and thus banned or illegal. The list goes on and on. I never had a clue until yesterday on how fucking retarded things are over here.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

If there is going to be a problem its going to be on the German end of things, or customs to be exact, they do spot check mail from time to time. It is illegal to posses SARMS in Germany I found out. Reading their guidelines almost every substance used in bodybuilding is Illegal in Germany. For the past 10 years I had no clue about this, as I had ordered countless times supplements online from the states that wouldn't make it through German customs. Just food for thought to show that the FDA is progressive and understanding compared to many foreighn governments, most protiens in the US would be considered PED in Germany and thus banned or illegal. The list goes on and on. I never had a clue until yesterday on how fucking retarded things are over here.

instead of worrying about roids they should get their people to wear deodorant..