Test Prop first cycle seems like no need for AI

[Morpheusis]

Hello everyone, I am now 12 days in my first ever cycle of Test Prop 100mg/EOD (Testovis pharm grade - good stuff ), cutting for my contest prep. I started taking test prop without AI, to see how my body reacts to it first, and to see if i need any at all. I have my aromasin and nolva,clomid on deck dont you worry I havent had any problems with itchy nipples, also didnt experience any water bloat, so i didnt take any yet. This brings me to my questions:
1. Is AI really needed on low dose test prop cycle like this, if i dont experience any side effects? I am asking this because some people recommend AI regardless. They say estrogen can be high even if you dont get gyno?
2. I am thinking of taking Proviron 50mg/ED. Would this be good AI replacement for someone who is not gyno prone? Also it is very good stacked with testosterone, because it binds to SHBG and increases free test, so it makes sense... And since i am using low dose of test this could really cut it, and enhance it.
3. 100mg/EOD test prop comes to 350mg/week. Do you think i should bump it to 500mg/week like most of people for best results?

Thanks to all in advance

 

[PHURIOUS]

Well ofcourse you havnt seen anything happen ur 12 days in. That doesnt mean that your eatrogen isnt raising and you should be using the aromasin bro.


PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[wheytech]

How do you know you're not gyno prone?

Aromasin also has alot of other benefit's than just being an ai. It also lower's shbg and increase's igf-1 levels just to mention a few. If you're in contest prep, you should def be using an ai to stay dry. What's your plan there?

 

[cmb5017]

Proviron is not a substitute for an AI. ..and if ur wanting to be dry and grainy u need to take it EOD

 

[RickRock]

Hello everyone, I am now 12 days in my first ever cycle of Test Prop 100mg/EOD (Testovis pharm grade - good stuff ), cutting for my contest prep. I started taking test prop without AI, to see how my body reacts to it first, and to see if i need any at all. I have my aromasin and nolva,clomid on deck dont you worry I havent had any problems with itchy nipples, also didnt experience any water bloat, so i didnt take any yet. This brings me to my questions:
1. Is AI really needed on low dose test prop cycle like this, if i dont experience any side effects? I am asking this because some people recommend AI regardless. They say estrogen can be high even if you dont get gyno?
2. I am thinking of taking Proviron 50mg/ED. Would this be good AI replacement for someone who is not gyno prone? Also it is very good stacked with testosterone, because it binds to SHBG and increases free test, so it makes sense... And since i am using low dose of test this could really cut it, and enhance it.
3. 100mg/EOD test prop comes to 350mg/week. Do you think i should bump it to 500mg/week like most of people for best results?

Thanks to all in advance

You can't judge anything by being only 12 days in. You haven't given your body much time at all for estrogen to rise out of control, but it certainly can without an AI. And by that time you start having estrogen sides it's generally too late. Yes, it's true that some people can get by fine without an AI, but why risk it at all? That's makes absolutely no sense to me, especially if you are in contest prep. In prep you want to keep your estrogen and aromatization very low, because higher estrogen makes it twice as hard to lose fat. In prep you need an even higher AI dose than normal, so I would get on some Aromasin ASAP.

Also for prep keep your test dose where it's at. You don't want to increase it. What other compounds are you using? I would suggest adding in some GW and S4 to help your prep with fat loss, hardening, and vascularity.

 

[Morpheusis]

How do you know you're not gyno prone?

Aromasin also has alot of other benefit's than just being an ai. It also lower's shbg and increase's igf-1 levels just to mention a few. If your in contest prep, you should def be using an ai to stay dry. What's your plan there?

I was obviously gonna add in aromasin when i get closer to show... I just thought it isnt necessary to take it now, since i am not having any estro sides. I thought i would just be wasting it, and possibly crashing my estrogen. Should i start taking it 12,5mg/EOD regardless?

 

[RickRock]

How do you know you're not gyno prone?

Aromasin also has alot of other benefit's than just being an ai. It also lower's shbg and increase's igf-1 levels just to mention a few. If your in contest prep, you should def be using an ai to stay dry. What's your plan there?

I was obviously gonna add in aromasin when i get closer to show... I just thought it isnt necessary to take it now, since i am not having any estro sides. I thought i would just be wasting it, and possibly crashing my estrogen. Should i start taking it 12,5mg/EOD regardless?

Yes, you need to be taking it now. Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD, and you absolutely will not crash estrogen with Aromasin. It's extremely hard to do that. You will have a hell of a time cutting without the AI in there

 

[Morpheusis]

Hello everyone, I am now 12 days in my first ever cycle of Test Prop 100mg/EOD (Testovis pharm grade - good stuff ), cutting for my contest prep. I started taking test prop without AI, to see how my body reacts to it first, and to see if i need any at all. I have my aromasin and nolva,clomid on deck dont you worry I havent had any problems with itchy nipples, also didnt experience any water bloat, so i didnt take any yet. This brings me to my questions:
1. Is AI really needed on low dose test prop cycle like this, if i dont experience any side effects? I am asking this because some people recommend AI regardless. They say estrogen can be high even if you dont get gyno?
2. I am thinking of taking Proviron 50mg/ED. Would this be good AI replacement for someone who is not gyno prone? Also it is very good stacked with testosterone, because it binds to SHBG and increases free test, so it makes sense... And since i am using low dose of test this could really cut it, and enhance it.
3. 100mg/EOD test prop comes to 350mg/week. Do you think i should bump it to 500mg/week like most of people for best results?

Thanks to all in advance

You can't judge anything by being only 12 days in. You haven't given your body much time at all for estrogen to rise out of control, but it certainly can without an AI. And by that time you start having estrogen sides it's generally too late. Yes, it's true that some people can get by fine without an AI, but why risk it at all? That's makes absolutely no sense to me, especially if you are in contest prep. In prep you want to keep your estrogen and aromatization very low, because higher estrogen makes it twice as hard to lose fat. In prep you need an even higher AI dose than normal, so I would get on some Aromasin ASAP.

Also for prep keep your test dose where it's at. You don't want to increase it. What other compounds are you using? I would suggest adding in some GW and S4 to help your prep with fat loss, hardening, and vascularity.

Like i said, i am thinking about adding in Proviron 50mg/ED, not sure yet.
But i will defenitely throw in Winstrol at 50mg/ED for the last 20 days of the prep.

 

[wheytech]

How do you know you're not gyno prone?

Aromasin also has alot of other benefit's than just being an ai. It also lower's shbg and increase's igf-1 levels just to mention a few. If your in contest prep, you should def be using an ai to stay dry. What's your plan there?

I was obviously gonna add in aromasin when i get closer to show... I just thought it isnt necessary to take it now, since i am not having any estro sides. I thought i would just be wasting it, and possibly crashing my estrogen. Should i start taking it 12,5mg/EOD regardless?

Sorry, but that didnt seem obviouse to me by what your asking here, but ok, good. As mentioned earlier your to early in the cycle to feel any estro side's, but belive me there right around the corner. Aromasin taken in proper doses wouldnt crash estro. It would just be beneficial. I would start with 12.5mg eod and increase to ed mby 6 weeks out snd then 25mg ed 4 weeks out if you're not using anything else for drying out.

 

[RickRock]

Hello everyone, I am now 12 days in my first ever cycle of Test Prop 100mg/EOD (Testovis pharm grade - good stuff ), cutting for my contest prep. I started taking test prop without AI, to see how my body reacts to it first, and to see if i need any at all. I have my aromasin and nolva,clomid on deck dont you worry I havent had any problems with itchy nipples, also didnt experience any water bloat, so i didnt take any yet. This brings me to my questions:
1. Is AI really needed on low dose test prop cycle like this, if i dont experience any side effects? I am asking this because some people recommend AI regardless. They say estrogen can be high even if you dont get gyno?
2. I am thinking of taking Proviron 50mg/ED. Would this be good AI replacement for someone who is not gyno prone? Also it is very good stacked with testosterone, because it binds to SHBG and increases free test, so it makes sense... And since i am using low dose of test this could really cut it, and enhance it.
3. 100mg/EOD test prop comes to 350mg/week. Do you think i should bump it to 500mg/week like most of people for best results?

Thanks to all in advance

You can't judge anything by being only 12 days in. You haven't given your body much time at all for estrogen to rise out of control, but it certainly can without an AI. And by that time you start having estrogen sides it's generally too late. Yes, it's true that some people can get by fine without an AI, but why risk it at all? That's makes absolutely no sense to me, especially if you are in contest prep. In prep you want to keep your estrogen and aromatization very low, because higher estrogen makes it twice as hard to lose fat. In prep you need an even higher AI dose than normal, so I would get on some Aromasin ASAP.

Also for prep keep your test dose where it's at. You don't want to increase it. What other compounds are you using? I would suggest adding in some GW and S4 to help your prep with fat loss, hardening, and vascularity.

Like i said, i am thinking about adding in Proviron 50mg/ED, not sure yet.
But i will defenitely throw in Winstrol at 50mg/ED for the last 20 days of the prep.

Those are both great additions to prep. However, I still stress the importance of adding in that AI brother

 

[cmb5017]

U can add proviron if u want. 50 mg a day. But u must be using aromasin. If u were bulking and u didnt want to run one at that low dosage thats one thing. But prepping for show u need it asap

 

[Morpheusis]

Thank you to all! Made my decision easier

 

[RickRock]

Thank you to all! Made my decision easier

No problem at all brother. Let us know if you have any more questions

 

[JM750]

Taking an AI after the fact defeats the purpose

 

[DylanGemelli]

Bro, this is not your fault because its said far too often and so it gets confusing but the whole "estrogen crashing" is absurd... you know what causes estrogen to crash? MISUSE not use itself... its the guys that are dosing too high, too often or have a product that is dosed incorrectly... THAT causes estrogen crash... Now, of course there are exceptions to every rule and for some, aromasin at its normal dose may be a bit much but that is HIGHLY unlikely... 12.5 mg eod is not a dose that will crash a thing... it will ensure you are protected without hurting you in any way... I am one that NEVER puts anything to chance so i use it with anything i run, even if it does not convert to estrogen but i never abuse the dosing... i reap the benefits, ensure no issues could occur and ease my mind on top of it... Gyno issues not only cause health problems but mental anguish as well... trust me, not something you want to deal with... its ultimately your call bro but i would never risk it...

proviron is excellent in any cycle and i would highly recommend adding it... run it 50 mg day... i love the winstrol finish and i would highly recommend that if your going into a show to add in s4 as well for the extra muscle hardening and sculpting... you then have winstrol, s4 and proviron all bringing their specialties to the table, your limiting toxicity with provirion and s4 being strong but very mild and your heading into your contest as dry and hardened up as you can be along with more vascularity to show...

 

[wheytech]

Thank you to all! Made my decision easier

That's what we're here for good luck with your show!

 

[PHURIOUS]

How do you know you're not gyno prone?

Aromasin also has alot of other benefit's than just being an ai. It also lower's shbg and increase's igf-1 levels just to mention a few. If your in contest prep, you should def be using an ai to stay dry. What's your plan there?

I was obviously gonna add in aromasin when i get closer to show... I just thought it isnt necessary to take it now, since i am not having any estro sides. I thought i would just be wasting it, and possibly crashing my estrogen. Should i start taking it 12,5mg/EOD regardless?

You would know if your estro was too low. Ypu would feel terrible. But never take the chance of sides u cant see or feel. Always run it.


PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[Francofranco]

I think you got some solid advice here already. One thing as well is If you plan on cycling aas which means time on, pct then time off, you will definitely benefit from an ai during cycle, trust me! The transition to pct as way smoother not to mention the whole experience. Remember this or rather think of estrogen this way: estro is the main hormone for women ok so you can't live with'em and you can't live without'em... Haha the key is to keep it in check kind of like a love hate relationship haha ok I'm turning into dr Phil lol
Proviron is some good stuff.. I love it ! One of my favs!