Test/estrogen/sex drive question

[DylanGemelli]

Hmm, well I don't think I want to do a steroid cycle just to lower estrogen or SHBG either.

Since I was taking 12.5 mg exemestane ED, do you think it would be beneficial to do 25 mg ED? Or do you think that would be too high of a dose? I know some people jump to higher doses when something isn't working, but I value my health lol. I know its only an estrogen blocker, but still just want to make sure. When I did 12.5 ED, my total test was 1104, but I literally felt nothing different than when I was at 585 originally.

when your prolactin is out of range it can cause your estrogen levels to be off as well... so getting prolactin in line first will help to even out estrogen levels as well... also, proviron would help with shbg tremendously and being its basically non suppressive and non toxic, its nothing like running a steroid cycle... in fact, stacking it with sarms is so ideal or you can run it stand alone as well... it wont do much of anything for size etc. but absolutely is what YOU need to lower that as well.. i feel 12.5 is plenty if your taking caber for prolactin because as prolactin comes down, estrogen should follow...

 

[Codename47]

when your prolactin is out of range it can cause your estrogen levels to be off as well... so getting prolactin in line first will help to even out estrogen levels as well... also, proviron would help with shbg tremendously and being its basically non suppressive and non toxic, its nothing like running a steroid cycle... in fact, stacking it with sarms is so ideal or you can run it stand alone as well... it wont do much of anything for size etc. but absolutely is what YOU need to lower that as well.. i feel 12.5 is plenty if your taking caber for prolactin because as prolactin comes down, estrogen should follow...

Hmm, I just watched your video on proviron, seems like it would be the thing to take for my free test and libido issues. Sides seem minor, but the cholesterol and hair loss are the biggest concerns. You said it'd be useless to run it by itself in the video, but i'm assuming you're talking about gaining size and strength.

Do you think taking caber and exemestane would be enough, and proviron wouldn't be needed?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hmm, I just watched your video on proviron, seems like it would be the thing to take for my free test and libido issues. Sides seem minor, but the cholesterol and hair loss are the biggest concerns. You said it'd be useless to run it by itself in the video, but i'm assuming you're talking about gaining size and strength.

Do you think taking caber and exemestane would be enough, and proviron wouldn't be needed?

the video was referencing size and strength, yes... it has many benefits otherwise... hair loss and cholesterol was just a possibility that needs disclosed but very very very unlikely... i would still use it with aromasin and caber...

 

[Codename47]

Just got my prolactin checked again, it was 16.69.... Going to see what the urologist will say about it now since it was technically out of the range but now it's def. outta the range completely.

 

[chelades]

Higher again! How was the E2?

 

[RickRock]

Just got my prolactin checked again, it was 16.69.... Going to see what the urologist will say about it now since it was technically out of the range but now it's def. outta the range completely.

I'm sure that is the root of a lot of your problems, but I'm also curious where E2 levels fell as well

 

[Codename47]

He only had the prolactin checked, I thought about telling him to check test and e2 also but didn't :/.

If he doesn't say anything should be wrong or that it's just slightly elevated so it shouldn't affect anything, i'm going to just straight up tell em that I think the problem is my free test/e2/prolactin since everytime those others have been checked before, the free test was at the starting level of the range, and even was below that in one test, and e2 never got below mid-40's, even with exemestane 12.5 mg daily, and my prolactin is just flat out high.

I was thinking after that I would ask if I could try caber to see I would do on it, and that I'm not asking for something unreasonable. Or should I say/ask something else? What do you guys think?

Side note: Saw the Urology bill for my last visit. Only have to be $22 out of pocket. But the total 15 minute visit was $800. 200 for the doctor visit, 200 to check prolactin, and 400 to check DHT?? wtffffff.

 

[Codename47]

Soooooooo, he called and said that he spoke to the endo about it and said that my levels might just be "my" normal, and that there's probably no issue with it. When he said that I didn't really know what to say. I should've asked then whats the point in having a range??

I also just asked him if there was anything I could try to see if I feel better with lower prolactin... I know there is, but I wanted to see what he'd say. He said he thinks that theres something out there for lowering prolactin if the numbers are high in the 50's or 100's, but not sure if that would help with my "low" numbers. He said I could see an endo if I want and told him I would. That'll be my last stop, and if they don't try to help, I'm just going to go through other sources, it's just I'm trying to do it the right way since I have the means to do it with insurance. Gonna tell them that too.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Soooooooo, he called and said that he spoke to the endo about it and said that my levels might just be "my" normal, and that there's probably no issue with it. When he said that I didn't really know what to say. I should've asked then whats the point in having a range??

I also just asked him if there was anything I could try to see if I feel better with lower prolactin... I know there is, but I wanted to see what he'd say. He said he thinks that theres something out there for lowering prolactin if the numbers are high in the 50's or 100's, but not sure if that would help with my "low" numbers. He said I could see an endo if I want and told him I would. That'll be my last stop, and if they don't try to help, I'm just going to go through other sources, it's just I'm trying to do it the right way since I have the means to do it with insurance. Gonna tell them that too.

how clueless is this fucking guy bro? he "thinks" there is? LOL fuck maybe im in the wrong profession... i have a masters... maybe a phd is next... fuck it... =)

 

[RickRock]

Soooooooo, he called and said that he spoke to the endo about it and said that my levels might just be "my" normal, and that there's probably no issue with it. When he said that I didn't really know what to say. I should've asked then whats the point in having a range??

I also just asked him if there was anything I could try to see if I feel better with lower prolactin... I know there is, but I wanted to see what he'd say. He said he thinks that theres something out there for lowering prolactin if the numbers are high in the 50's or 100's, but not sure if that would help with my "low" numbers. He said I could see an endo if I want and told him I would. That'll be my last stop, and if they don't try to help, I'm just going to go through other sources, it's just I'm trying to do it the right way since I have the means to do it with insurance. Gonna tell them that too.

It's sad that there are that many docs out there clueless as to what they are doing

 

[Codename47]

So I lucked out in getting in a cancelled appt. with an endo today.

I showed her all the bloodwork and while she was reading, I explained that I think it's my free test/e2/prolactin giving me my problem. I was surprised that she had to check out my boys like urologist did, as well as the rest of my body for how much hair and stuff. She pretty much dismissed prolactin as that being a huge issue, but was concerned about the free test, and said that she wants to check that. I sort of pushed her on the issue of my estrogen levels, and told her that might be something I wanna try to get in line more. She was sort of dismissive since the tests weren't done before 830am. So i'm gonna grab blood work tomorrow in the morning.

She wants to see the levels of LH, FSH, Test, free test, SHBG, and agreed on e2 to see where they stand. Not prolactin since she pretty much accepts that they are slightly elevated.

Overall, she seemed to listen a lot and seem like she said she's willing to work with me to a certain extent, but said she's likely not going to give me test lol. I told her I don't want test, I just want to TRY reasonable things that might work to lower the hormones that I think are causing my issue. So i'll be back with some bloodwork in a few days!

 

[RickRock]

So I lucked out in getting in a cancelled appt. with an endo today.

I showed her all the bloodwork and while she was reading, I explained that I think it's my free test/e2/prolactin giving me my problem. I was surprised that she had to check out my boys like urologist did, as well as the rest of my body for how much hair and stuff. She pretty much dismissed prolactin as that being a huge issue, but was concerned about the free test, and said that she wants to check that. I sort of pushed her on the issue of my estrogen levels, and told her that might be something I wanna try to get in line more. She was sort of dismissive since the tests weren't done before 830am. So i'm gonna grab blood work tomorrow in the morning.

She wants to see the levels of LH, FSH, Test, free test, SHBG, and agreed on e2 to see where they stand. Not prolactin since she pretty much accepts that they are slightly elevated.

Overall, she seemed to listen a lot and seem like she said she's willing to work with me to a certain extent, but said she's likely not going to give me test lol. I told her I don't want test, I just want to TRY reasonable things that might work to lower the hormones that I think are causing my issue. So i'll be back with some bloodwork in a few days!

Hoping everything works out for the better bro. Keep us updated!

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[Codename47]

Took awhile for the results but here they are!

LH- 5.9
FSH- 2.1
SHBG- 54
Total test- 582
calculated free test- 143
estrogen- 23 (Their range starts at 27)
albumin- 4.4
prolactin- 16.99 (range ends at 15.2)

Thought she wasn't gonna do prolactin again, but she did.

Estrogen came back lower than ever, and I haven't been taking any AI recently.

Test dropped since I been off the AI. Thought total test would have been higher, and estrogen higher too. Prolactin just seems to stay in this 16 range.

 

[chelades]

So with less Test, less available to convert to E it seems. If that's pg/ml Estrogen that's exactly where it should be. Nice little rebound.

SHBG and Prolactin still gotta come down ideally, both out of range in my mind.

 

[Codename47]

Question, why is this one called "calculated" free test? The others were done at a different place, and also gave the %free calculation. Is it just an equation to get this result?

 

[chelades]

Correct, free test is a percentage of total test, to get the actual number is to do a few conversions, as that number is also not ng/dl like total test.

 

[Codename47]

I see. What would my %free be then? Is all the information there to calculate it?

 

[chelades]

I could work it out for you later when I"m home, and post how to do it. Just clarify what measurement units they are in the meantime. The free T in particular. I think it's Nmol/L or Nmol/ML, but do clarify.

 

[Codename47]

Cool. Let me know.

total T- ng/dL
free T- pg/mL
albumin- g/dL
SHBG- nmol/dL

Also, in bold on the test it says "The Total Testosterone test was developed and its performance characteristics determined
by the UCH Section of Clinical Chemistry. It has not been approved by the FDA." Seems odd lol.

 

[buen]

I use this calculator

https://www.nebido.com/tools/index.php/en/default/index/free-calculator

your Free Test = 8.97 ng/dL = 1.54 %
your Bio-available Test = 215 ng/dL = 37 %