Short/Micro Cycles

[Slip]

Goals
*I am interest in Joint Health/Repair, Recovery, and Overall Longevity.
*I am not looking to dramatically increase my strength, or put on size.
*I have no serious Joint injuries (right knee, minor discomfort), but my joints are starting to feel my age,.
*I would like to take a proactive approach to fixing my Joints and Cheating death.

Cycles:
Knee site injection (40 Days total):
BPC 157 250mcg 2x/day
TB 500 250mcg 1x/day

Orals (12 weeks):
Ostarine (MK-2866) 25mg/day
Ibutamoren/Nutrabol (MK-677) 15mg/day
LGD 5mg/day

PCT (4weeks):
GW-501516 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/25mg/25mg/25mg


My questions are:
*Should I run the site injects 40 Days in a row, or split them up into 20 on, 20 off, and 20 on?
*Could a stack (Orals) like this used in micros cycles for maintenance in a 1 week on, 3 off weeks? If so would I still want to Run a PCT?
*I am unclear as to why I want to run the Gw-501516 as part of the PCT but included it because I have seen it suggested here. Is it necessary for my purposes?
*I am here to learn, any and all feedback is welcome.

 

[RickRock]

Goals
*I am interest in Joint Health/Repair, Recovery, and Overall Longevity.
*I am not looking to dramatically increase my strength, or put on size.
*I have no serious Joint injuries (right knee, minor discomfort), but my joints are starting to feel my age,.
*I would like to take a proactive approach to fixing my Joints and Cheating death.

Cycles:
Knee site injection (40 Days total):
BPC 157 250mcg 2x/day
TB 500 250mcg 1x/day

Orals (12 weeks):
Ostarine (MK-2866) 25mg/day
Ibutamoren/Nutrabol (MK-677) 15mg/day
LGD 5mg/day

PCT (4weeks):
GW-501516 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/25mg/25mg/25mg


My questions are:
*Should I run the site injects 40 Days in a row, or split them up into 20 on, 20 off, and 20 on?
*Could a stack (Orals) like this used in micros cycles for maintenance in a 1 week on, 3 off weeks? If so would I still want to Run a PCT?
*I am unclear as to why I want to run the Gw-501516 as part of the PCT but included it because I have seen it suggested here. Is it necessary for my purposes?
*I am here to learn, any and all feedback is welcome.

You want to run full 12 week cycles, and after this cycle you do not want to just run one week maintenance doses. That's pointless. After pct you can take 2-3 weeks off and then start another 12 week cycle if you choose to

GW if included in pct for cortisol control. Cortisol is the hormone that leads to muscle wastage and catabolism so it's important to keep that at bay post cycle.

Your doses are off on the sarms. I'll give you the proper layout for that. Make sure you only get your SARMS from www.sarmsx.com


1-12 MK-2866 25mg ED dosed once in the AM
1-12 LGD 10mg per day dosed once in the AM
1-12 MK-677 25mg per day dosed once in the AM

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

 

[Slip]

Can you add some clarity on whether the site injections would better as 40 days straight or broken up?

So I better understand, does micro cycling not work because the compounds need to build up in your system to be effective?

How much of a synergistic effect is there between running the compounds together versus individually?

Thank you for fielding my questions.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Goals
*I am interest in Joint Health/Repair, Recovery, and Overall Longevity.
*I am not looking to dramatically increase my strength, or put on size.
*I have no serious Joint injuries (right knee, minor discomfort), but my joints are starting to feel my age,.
*I would like to take a proactive approach to fixing my Joints and Cheating death.

Cycles:
Knee site injection (40 Days total):
BPC 157 250mcg 2x/day
TB 500 250mcg 1x/day

Orals (12 weeks):
Ostarine (MK-2866) 25mg/day
Ibutamoren/Nutrabol (MK-677) 15mg/day
LGD 5mg/day

PCT (4weeks):
GW-501516 20mg/day
Clomid 50mg/25mg/25mg/25mg


My questions are:
*Should I run the site injects 40 Days in a row, or split them up into 20 on, 20 off, and 20 on?
*Could a stack (Orals) like this used in micros cycles for maintenance in a 1 week on, 3 off weeks? If so would I still want to Run a PCT?
*I am unclear as to why I want to run the Gw-501516 as part of the PCT but included it because I have seen it suggested here. Is it necessary for my purposes?
*I am here to learn, any and all feedback is welcome.

ive covered why gw i needed a million times over now... you MUST control cortisol in pct or you are going to lose everything you gained and then some... coritsol is termed the "gains killer" and with good reason... your cortisol is going to spike in pct and when it does, it will put you in a catabolic state, which will not allow you to gain muscle... not to mention you will also gain unwanted fat thus leading to loss of gains and often times ending up worse off than when you actually started....

also, keep in mind you need to run mk677 for a year without cycling off... your dosing is off as well... 677 should be used at 25 mg per day and lgd at 10 mg per day... you are rendering them much less effective....

 

[RickRock]

Can you add some clarity on whether the site injections would better as 40 days straight or broken up?

So I better understand, does micro cycling not work because the compounds need to build up in your system to be effective?

How much of a synergistic effect is there between running the compounds together versus individually?

Thank you for fielding my questions.

As for your injectible compounds I'd personally do the 40 days straight. Basically as long as you are getting benefits what reason would there be to stop?

Micro cycling makes no sense because you don't give enough time for the compounds to build in your system to be effective. You'd end up stopping it every time it started working for you

And yes there is absolutely a lot of synergy between them. That's where sarms really shine.
While they all reap benefits solo, there's no comparison with them stacked. It's a whole new level

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I have no experience with peptides, but I would run any injectable straight. in this case 40 days. it makes no sense to do 20 on 20 off 20 on. you want the compound to remain saturated in your system for the duration of the cycle.

your "micro cycle" concept is not good. you need to run the compound for an extended period of time without breaking. just run it normal up until PCT

 

[Slip]

Thank you for fielding my questions.

 

[RickRock]

Thank you for fielding my questions.

Glad I could help. Let me know if you have any other questions

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thank you for fielding my questions.

of course bro... if you have any other questions, dont hesitate to let me know...

 

[Slip]

In roughly 12 weeks I have a 2 month training camp to prep for fight. My training will be approximately 5-6hrs per day.

I am using healing stack(12wk) suggested here to ensure that my connective tissue, bones and joints are tip top.

My hope is to get the most out of my training camp while not messing myself up. I saw a stack for fighters suggested by Dylan which was Shred + Mk2866; would that be a reasonable transition before running a PCT?

Would it be better to run the Shred with Mk667 (with or without Clomid) to avoid suppression from the mk2866?

My interests is in avoiding injury, increasing recovery (muscular and endurance), and not putting on mass.

I am:
*32 years old
*6'3 175lbs, fighting at 170lbs
Body fat around 6%
*Well conditioned
*Reasonable strength: 1Rm dead #405
*First exposure to Sarm/peptides will be the healing stack

Thank you for fielding my questions, and avoiding me going full retard.

 

[DylanGemelli]

In roughly 12 weeks I have a 2 month training camp to prep for fight. My training will be approximately 5-6hrs per day.

I am using healing stack(12wk) suggested here to ensure that my connective tissue, bones and joints are tip top.

My hope is to get the most out of my training camp while not messing myself up. I saw a stack for fighters suggested by Dylan which was Shred + Mk2866; would that be a reasonable transition before running a PCT?

Would it be better to run the Shred with Mk667 (with or without Clomid) to avoid suppression from the mk2866?

My interests is in avoiding injury, increasing recovery (muscular and endurance), and not putting on mass.

I am:
*32 years old
*6'3 175lbs, fighting at 170lbs
Body fat around 6%
*Well conditioned
*Reasonable strength: 1Rm dead #405
*First exposure to Sarm/peptides will be the healing stack

Thank you for fielding my questions, and avoiding me going full retard.

LOLL i like you man... love the humor but i also am please with your attention to detail... so, we need to get you more endurance in performance as well as muscular endurance and also increase recovery... i would go just like this... we will leave lgd out since you dont want mass... lets go with the triple stack and also add mk677... that will be perfect for you.. suppression will only be slight on this.. you will get PLENTY of endurance and strength with lean muscle as well... HUGE healing and recovery benefits... you need to run 677 for a year to really get max benefits... here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout...

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=148&search=triple

https://www.sarmsx.com/nutrobal-mk-677

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138&search=mini

1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
mk677 25 mg day

 

[Slip]

Thanks coach.

Since I will be coming right from a 12 week healing stack to my camp wouldn't it be prudent to run the stack you suggested for 8 weeks with:

DAA (dosing?) at 5-8 weeks

Pct 9-12 weeks
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
mk677 25 mg day

 

[jp1957]

a cycle is 12 weeks.... at 8 weeks, you are leaving gainz on the table.

 

[Slip]

I woukd be coming off of a 12 week heaing stack and then going immediately to a 8 week stack maintaining doses of mk667 and mk2866 for a total of 20 weeks beforw a 4 week pct.

I am unclear as to how i am leaving gainz on the table unless you are saying "more is always better"?

 

[DylanGemelli]

okay lets get this clear instead of scattered all over the fucking place man...

you are saying your currently on a healing stack and you will be coming off of it right? then you need 2-3 weeks off from it before you start your next cycle... you cant just go from one to the other like that without the proper time off... you will continue 677 throughout without cycling off but the others all need a break in between...

you are leaving gains on the table if you run an 8 week cycle as opposed to 12 and making a smart ass comment about more being better is quite the contrary and unnecessary.. if someone was telling you to run something out of the ordinary, say a 20 week cycle then yes that would apply but having someone tell you to run it PROPERLY and then you making a smart ass remark, its not cool and not going to have people wanting to help you...

 

[Slip]

My intent was not to make a smart ass remark, only to clarify. My bad if it was taken that way and someone was offended; no disrespect intended.

Thank you for clarifying about the break in between.

Will I take any break from when the PCT ends, and the next stack begins?

Again no disrespect, and thank you for fielding my questions.

 

[DylanGemelli]

My intent was not to make a smart ass remark, only to clarify. My bad if it was taken that way and someone was offended; no disrespect intended.

Thank you for clarifying about the break in between.

Will I take any break from when the PCT ends, and the next stack begins?

Again no disrespect, and thank you for fielding my questions.

its all good but jp was only trying to help you and it seemed like you were being condescending so obviously im going to come to his defense... he's a vet... he doesn't deserve to be spoken to that way but if it was miscommunication then its all good...

yes bro, if you look at my post it says that you need 2-3 weeks off before your next cycle... you stay on the 677 regardless but the others you need the 2-3 weeks off...

 

[Slip]

I agree. No disrespect JP.
Again my bad, sorry (by default as I am Canadian) about that.

I hope this to be the last time I pester you with questions for awhile (I just want to get it right) I have listed below what I understand you are advocating:

12 week healing stack:
1-12 MK-2866 25mg ED dosed once in the AM
1-12 LGD 10mg per day dosed once in the AM
1-12 MK-677 25mg per day dosed once in the AM
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20mg day
mk677 25mg/day

3 weeks off:
Mk667 25mg/day

12 weeks:
1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20mg day
mk677 25mg/day

Off:
Mk677 25mg/day

Is this correct?

 

[DylanGemelli]

I agree. No disrespect JP.
Again my bad, sorry (by default as I am Canadian) about that.

I hope this to be the last time I pester you with questions for awhile (I just want to get it right) I have listed below what I understand you are advocating:

12 week healing stack:
1-12 MK-2866 25mg ED dosed once in the AM
1-12 LGD 10mg per day dosed once in the AM
1-12 MK-677 25mg per day dosed once in the AM
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20mg day
mk677 25mg/day

3 weeks off:
Mk667 25mg/day

12 weeks:
1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20mg day
mk677 25mg/day

Off:
Mk677 25mg/day

Is this correct?

yes, thats EXACTLY right all the way around... did you need the links for these stacks?

 

[Slip]

I figured I would get it right sooner or later.

If you have the stacks already laid out that sounds like it would be the simplest way to make sure I get the right stuff. I must confess I sourced the healing stack in individual parts from a few Canadian Supplier(s) before finding this forum; I have since seen Canadians on this forum that said they have ordered without issue. I will source from SARMSX only in the future.

I would like sourcing from SARMSX for:
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
mk677 25mg/day

3 weeks off:
Mk667 25mg/day

12 weeks:
1-12 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid

4 week PCT:
clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20mg day
mk677 25mg/day

Thanks for your patience and all of the help Coach. You are a great resource of knowledge.