Update: I'm on day 17 with S4. The visuals are not as strong as before. I'm getting viens on my upper arms and my muscles are hard.My legs are also cutting up. I'm eating cleaner than I ever have, so I'm not positive that the S4 is entirely responsible for my belly fat reduction, but Im going to say it has a lot to do with it. Co- workers are noticing ,and making comments, so Iv'e been wearing bigger clothes. They see my lunch, and think I'm crazy. My TRT clinic used to Rx Winstrol troaches once or twice a year, but thats over. S4 is a lot like Winstrol but without the crazy size Winstrol puts on you. Winstrole had my shoulders looking like boulders and my right elbow swelled up; a totally juiced up look.