drjay9051
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I imagine a PM to 9th wonder and if he is comfortable with you G2G, however might consider hanging around a bit more and getting to know others on the board, the general feeling that sort of thing.
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I imagine a PM to 9th wonder and if he is comfortable with you G2G, however might consider hanging around a bit more and getting to know others on the board, the general feeling that sort of thing.
Dr... thanks for posting these bloods my man. Looks like it's going to be a good cycle! Continue to keep us posted on your results.
thanks bud!
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thats kool and all but TRT dose at 200mg=1100TT does not correlate over to physiological dosages. For example lets say you decided to run 400mg that does not mean automatically you would be at 2200TT, doesnt work that way I mean you could get at 2200 but you could also be at 2000 or 1800 +/- and that would still be accurate. And the higher the dosing, the wider the variance
buen
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Ok...I really didn't want to get into this....but I just can't leave bad info laying around
This is not about BGS test or anyone else...please take this as intended..It's about science and hopefully some clarity on Testosterone levels
First off drawing bloods 4 days after 1 pin is virtually meaningless....
you still have serum testosterone from your natural production..IE: you are still "running on some of your natural test"...after only 4 days you haven't even depleted all of your natural test that is already in your blood
Also...you haven't completely shut down your natural production yet
If you look at his FSH you will see evidence of this
So..we have no way of knowing how much of his reported test was residual natural and how much was due to the injected test cyp
From a purely mathematical stand point....we would expect this 1st 250mg test Cyp (blood draw 4 days after pin) ...would elevate his serum level by 630-900ng/dL using the 7 to 10 times rule
billybobs post about 200mg/wk producing 1100ng/dL...is NOT a good reference data point....200mg/week should produce 1400-200ng/dL
I'm sorry but I also have to disagree with [9oNe6]BillyD@kid about higher doses having a higher variance...I have tested over 30 times with doses ranging from 80 to 650mg/week and they have always fallen in the 7 to 10 X range
I'm not trying to open a can of worms or pick a fight....I've just got this personality defect that won't let me leave something alone if I think it's incorrect....especially if it muddies the waters of a subject already having too many misconceptions
cheers
This is not about BGS test or anyone else...please take this as intended..It's about science and hopefully some clarity on Testosterone levels
First off drawing bloods 4 days after 1 pin is virtually meaningless....
you still have serum testosterone from your natural production..IE: you are still "running on some of your natural test"...after only 4 days you haven't even depleted all of your natural test that is already in your blood
Also...you haven't completely shut down your natural production yet
If you look at his FSH you will see evidence of this
So..we have no way of knowing how much of his reported test was residual natural and how much was due to the injected test cyp
From a purely mathematical stand point....we would expect this 1st 250mg test Cyp (blood draw 4 days after pin) ...would elevate his serum level by 630-900ng/dL using the 7 to 10 times rule
billybobs post about 200mg/wk producing 1100ng/dL...is NOT a good reference data point....200mg/week should produce 1400-200ng/dL
I'm sorry but I also have to disagree with [9oNe6]BillyD@kid about higher doses having a higher variance...I have tested over 30 times with doses ranging from 80 to 650mg/week and they have always fallen in the 7 to 10 X range
I'm not trying to open a can of worms or pick a fight....I've just got this personality defect that won't let me leave something alone if I think it's incorrect....especially if it muddies the waters of a subject already having too many misconceptions
cheers
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im with you on that, my point was being that in order to get into super physiological dosing there are other variances that need to be addressed with more concern. For you i see this as not being and issue and the multiplier would apply, however there is only 1 buen. Im saying it becomes more difficult to manage so without full experience that multiplier is expected to sway and the higher the dosing the wider the variance
Plus we also have to take into account the human biological variance, which will never be fully categorized or understood. There are some people who just do not respond to certain things the same, even something more simple as users weight makes a huge difference that alot of people tend to overlook quite often
buen
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the 7-10 rule is wide to take in to account different individuals and how they metabolize injected testosterone..... .
you may be a 6 X'er or an 11 X'er...the point is do enough bloods... on gear you trust is dosed correctly.... to find YOUR multiplier
for the purpose of evaluating the potency of test you are using..you first have to have established your multiplier...but even with out it..if you come back with bloods 6x or below..the most logical place to start looking is the potencty
I'm lucky my results are pretty much spot on 10X...The lowest I ever had (on gear I was pretty confident about) was 8.5 X
Another time I was pinning 100mg per week and my labs came back at 900ng/dL....instead of my usually 1000ng/dL...when I check a lab analysis that had been done on the same batch of test I was using ..it showed it as 89.8mg/mL...not 100mg/mL
so my blood were again right on the 10 X
you may be a 6 X'er or an 11 X'er...the point is do enough bloods... on gear you trust is dosed correctly.... to find YOUR multiplier
for the purpose of evaluating the potency of test you are using..you first have to have established your multiplier...but even with out it..if you come back with bloods 6x or below..the most logical place to start looking is the potencty
I'm lucky my results are pretty much spot on 10X...The lowest I ever had (on gear I was pretty confident about) was 8.5 X
Another time I was pinning 100mg per week and my labs came back at 900ng/dL....instead of my usually 1000ng/dL...when I check a lab analysis that had been done on the same batch of test I was using ..it showed it as 89.8mg/mL...not 100mg/mL
so my blood were again right on the 10 X
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i wish there were some valid studies on this that show response to super physiological dosing of AAS, unfortunately it ends with medical dosage and responses, heres a link with just some factors that come into account when influencing plasma drug concentrations :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/863093/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/863093/
buen
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I read one study that consisted of hypogonadal men with men with aids...they used a very wide dosing protocols..one group was given 600mg/ week for 12 weeks !!!
If i remember correctly the mean serum level on this group was was close to 4000ng/dL
I'll see if I can find it
edit...should have read hypogonadal men AND men with AIDS..pretty weird mixture for a study group lol
If i remember correctly the mean serum level on this group was was close to 4000ng/dL
I'll see if I can find it
edit...should have read hypogonadal men AND men with AIDS..pretty weird mixture for a study group lol
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i wonder what their the response would if they were not ill, im sure that has to be a huge variance compared to a healthy individual. Maybe being ill absorbs such compounds at a much greater rate ? kinda like if you were dehydrated and drank water electrolyte absorption would be much greater compared to a non de hydrated individual . This discussion is beginning to expand my curiosity to another level, thanks for all the additional inputs these type of threads makes us all much more aware and opens the mind. Im going to scour the medical journals tonight to try to possibly come to more informed conclusion. See what i can discover
This is one of the best threads I have read. This is real talk. Everybody need to know this.
Hi Buen, you guys all make great points and have a ton more experience so all I can offer is my results thus far. I do bloods routinely for TRT. And since TRT doc was generous to give Rx for 200 mg/week test cyp, I usually wait
a bit after pin for test when due (i.e. I wait 4 days - in order to get a bit lower reading and keep Rx coming). My baseline prior was 370 ng/dl, and I know when I clear my system post cycle I go back down to about 330-350 - so that's me with no test in my system except what my body generates. Now when I do TRT at 200 mg/week, after 4 days I get ~1100 (3 tests over course of last year with some variance). Was only pointing out that 250mg BGS after 4 days is close to what I get at 4 days running 200mg pharma. Maybe it was coincidence - just seemed close......all the bloods aside, TBOL/BGS test cyp blast rocked big time so I am a believer no doubt!
As an aside, I truly do enjoy reading all the knowledge offered on here and the spirit of everyone (esp to rookies like me). Honored to be around. Regards - bb
