Proviron first cycle

[sal0me]

So my friend, it really is not me, was wanting to go on trt as his testosterone is slightly on the lower side. His results are below:

Ref. Range
Total Testosterone: 17.7 nmol/L (8.3-30.2)
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin: 47 nmol/L (13-71)
Calculated Free Testosterone: 297 pmol/L (225-271)

His main objective is to increase his libido. That is his primary objective. But he also obviously wants to increase his well being, and is happy to put on 5-10 pnds and drop a little bf if possible.

He trains regularly and is somewhat lean already and I thought proviron might be the way to go because:
No estrogen convesion, boosts libido, binds to shgb, muscle hardening, dht derivative, and I'vd heard you may not need to run it with test. So it could be run on it's own. Is that accurate?

PCT is still obviously required. clomid/nova + aromisin

Wanted to know if proviron can be run on its own?

Wanted to know about whether to run aromisin along side it while on?

What other ancilleries should be ran? Anything for cholesterol or blood pressure?

May run it with gw50516, thought he could run that as well

Thoughts on the portocol was pretty straight forward:

The proviron to be run for 20 weeks on 50mg/d and thought about adding gw50516 for the last 4 weeks of the 20 to allow the bridge into pct to be a bit better, if he decides to cycle proviron again or do another cycle it will bridge between the proviron cycle, the pct, and the next hypothetical cycle if he ran gw50516 for 12 weeks. How is my thinking here?

I'm learning so bare with me

Thanks

 

[Tazz]

proviron 50mg, test cyp 250mg, aromasin 12.5mg e3-4d, gw50516 20mg ed


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[sal0me]

Wanted to run without test though

And his test is already at 300

 

[MaxxPursuit]

If your friend needs trt, then injectable test is the only way to go. That is also a lifetime choice so there is no pct. Has he used aas in the past? Has he tried other methods of raising his test (pct, etc)?

 

[44YOGearHead]

So viagra doesn't work??? This is a tad silly his numbers are somewhat lower ranged, but acceptable imo rather than committing to trt. How old is the supposed friend???



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[SpikedEggnog]

Increase libido? Male enhancement bro. Viagara .cialis. Varden. Something.

Otherwise I would do a small test provi cycle. Provided the user is ready for steroids.

 

[Almighty100%bodyfat]

If his main goal is to increase libido, why does he think AAS are his only choice? I would suggest him using 3-4 DAA a day, along with some Fenugreek and a little tribulis. That will boost his libido no doubt. He can gain the muscle by training and eating as well.

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[RickRock]

Libido is related to a lot of different things, and it seems like he is trying to self medicate without knowing the root cause of his issue. He needs more extensive bloodwork. Where is his estrogen at? Estrogen out of range whether high or low will kill libido extremely fast


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[sal0me]

If your friend needs trt, then injectable test is the only way to go. That is also a lifetime choice so there is no pct. Has he used aas in the past? Has he tried other methods of raising his test (pct, etc)?

Does he need test? It's at 300...

Not used aas ever nor tried other methods.

So viagra doesn't work??? This is a tad silly his numbers are somewhat lower ranged, but acceptable imo rather than committing to trt. How old is the supposed friend???

He's 36. He's used viagra, does work for him. And he's used cialis. He doesn't have any problems, just that he wants his libido that he had when he was younger. Which was quite strong.

Libido is related to a lot of different things, and it seems like he is trying to self medicate without knowing the root cause of his issue. He needs more extensive bloodwork. Where is his estrogen at? Estrogen out of range whether high or low will kill libido extremely fast

Right. I think at this point, even if he should be trying clomid first, I doubt there is any way he will want to go that direction at this point. He wants to do this and go on this path. I'm sure he is very likely to do other cycles on into the future.

What blood work should he have done specifically?

I've heard you can get the size of your ldl/hdl done as well? What is that called again?

He is very much wanting to be very specific and do everything he can to maximise his health and experience. So he will take extra vitamins etc, anything to assist with the process. Very much wants to go above and beyond with health as well as what he can get out of it so any recommendations of anciliries that should be run along side would be appreciated.

As I've learnt a little more, proviron seems to be more beneficial when stacked. After speaking with him more, objectives are definitely geared towards life and well being and having greater libido he had when he was younger, as discussed in the original post, but also well being and feeling motivated and energised in the morning etc is a motivation. He is training very regularly but has been cutting, and previously has been 200 at 5,8/9 so has been pretty big for his size before and sitting at like 165 now, and is more thinking he could put on 10-12 pnds, so really doesnt want to put on much size. Just wants to push his already heavy training to the next level and put on a bit of size but stay lean. So thinking if proviron is going to be seen physically more if stacked with something, perhaps adding s4

proviron 50mg/d 20 weeks
gw50516 20mg/d 12 weeks
aromasin 12.5mg /3d during and post?
s4 4x25mg 100mg/d 12 weeks

pct
clomid/nova
and gw50516 during and in post?

When should the gw be run?

Should I consider another s4 or another stack to assist with proviron?

What other ancilleries should be ran? Anything for cholesterol or blood pressure?

Any other ancilleries?

Thanks for all the replies, very much appreciated

Sorry for all the questions. I myself have become fascinated with the topic, the function hormones have in food as well as the body has given me such a deeper interest in the body and how it works. amazing

I look forward to learning more

 

[sal0me]

If your friend needs trt, then injectable test is the only way to go. That is also a lifetime choice so there is no pct. Has he used aas in the past? Has he tried other methods of raising his test (pct, etc)?

No he hasn't tried aas or pct.

He is very interested in the other benefits that steroids may bring. Specifically describing the characteristics of proviron, increased libido, general well being, energy and drive. Proviron just seemed perfect considering he wanted all of the attributes it seems to posess. He wants some muscle hardening, and a leaner aesthetic look.

He already trains regularly and has been 200 at 5'8 from training and is now sitting at 165 after couple of years of travel and training to cut. He trains regularly and consistently for years and is still stronger than hes ever been really at 165. But he doesn't want to gain size with fat and wants to put on some size, 10 pnds max type of thing. I wouldn't be surprised if he would gain considerably more if he trains the way he usually does.

So viagra doesn't work??? This is a tad silly his numbers are somewhat lower ranged, but acceptable imo rather than committing to trt. How old is the supposed friend???

He's 36, hes used cialis etc, recreationally, but has no problems or requirements to use it, but is instead wanting to increase his libido and have the other benefits of some muscle hardening, some well being, motivation, energy etc, and 10 pounds if he trains ballistic which he is liable to do.

Libido is related to a lot of different things, and it seems like he is trying to self medicate without knowing the root cause of his issue. He needs more extensive bloodwork. Where is his estrogen at? Estrogen out of range whether high or low will kill libido extremely fast

What tests should he ask for? He really wants to be super proactive with health as well as maximising the experience. So every ancilirie worth knowing about would be appreciated

Specifically wanting to know what anciliaries to take during to assist with cholesterol or anything else that may assist with the healthier way to do this.

That's true there is an element of self medicating here. He is obviously aware of this and wanting to proceed anyways but is wanting to understand what's involved with such a cycle. This would be as mild as a cycle as one could go on and giving the benefits that he desires.

 

[sal0me]

Any other feedback regarding this? Can he run proviron alone?

Should he consider doing anything else, will this meet his goals about what he wants to achieve.

 

[svanimost]

Any other feedback regarding this? Can he run proviron alone?

Should he consider doing anything else, will this meet his goals about what he wants to achieve.

Proviron is virtually useless without test....

 

[SdBronco]

Are you sure this isnt you? I mean no offense but you seem to really want to make a case for this guy instead of taking the suggestions already given which IMO are quite sound. No one runs a cycle just for the libido benefit, and if your test is really that low then you need TRT for your healths sake.

Low T has been associated with CVD and can actually lower your life span, proviron will not provide much benefit in that aspect. It's not going to do much with test levels in the low 300's. Tell your friend how using real testosterone will not only improve his overall well being and his libido, but could actually save his life.

 

[buen]

Your "friend" IS NOT LOW TEST !!!!
Total Testosterone: 17.7 nmol/L is Mid range and totally normal (approx 500ng/dL)
He IS NOT Hypogonadal !!!

 

[sal0me]

It is not me, really! There is no reason for me to lie. I have my own goals that I'm still investigating for myself feel I would like to train more and learn more before getting into something as serious as steroids. Having said that, I am very interested in the subject matter and he was going to get on a continued dose of test so I wanted to investigate a little further and given the scenario, proviron seemed like it is the perfect solution for him. It's not like he has any dysfunction, just he would like a lot of the psychological and libido benefits that would appear to come from proviron. Some leaning out, some hardness, without putting on a tonne of size. He has low bodyfat so he would see it for sure. He is a lot leaner than I had thought, with some good size. He's been training damn hard and has been cutting and since I've posted here I've seen photos he is in excellent condition so he isnt interested in running anything that is going to do a tonne in terms of putting on size, is not something he's interested in for the time being. He wants to experience what being on is like as well and would like it to assist his training, libido, well being etc. He is very fit and healthy and very disciplined trainer as is. He is 36 so a good time in a way. So I've described a lot about his goals. Could I get some more feedback on proviron itself considering his objectives, and whether stacking it is really required. As I said he will be stacking it already with gw50516. Wanted some more feedback given the scenario. Thanks for all the replies!

 

[FL1025]

Proviron isn't going to do anything for him. Did he get his vitamin D levels checked? If his vitamin D is low it can contribute to low libido. If it were me I'd use something similar to what Almighty Alpha suggested along with Cialis and Viagra.