Pre Bloods show low total T, Normal Free T, Low DHT, Low Estradiol

[Takmard]

Hi Dylan and the boys, I Just got my Pre-cycle bloods done through privatemdlabs and had the "Steroid" option listed of items tested. But first allow me to tell you a little bit about myself. I am a 45 yr old male, 6 feet , 190 lbs, around 14% body fat, 15+ years of weight training with light cardio, Diet is clean for the most part with some cheat meals here and there. I listen to my body at times when I crave certain foods and am not as strict as I should be. I work out 3-4 times a week, 45 min. light cardio sessions followed by 1.25 hours of weight training with moderate to heavy weights.
I am not looking to get much bigger and want to get slightly leaner and add no more than 10 pounds of lean mass. I currently have a low Test. (189) total and been low for a long time, feel like crap most days with low energy and very low sex drive (libido). My pluming is fine as I use herbal boner pills and it works for me when I need to get the job done.
I did ONE 3 month cycle of Dbol and Sus 250, HCG back in my late 20's (don't remember how much of each) and had absolutely no idea what I was doing at the time with no PCT and it really screwed me up for years. I ended up with ED for over a year and gynecomastia surgery on both sides of my chest due to estrogen rebound after a couple of years and never been the same since although my liver and organs so far been OK.
* Let that be a lesson to all the younger guys who only think short term and don't worry about the possible negative side effects of doing gear irresponsibly.

I have a family history of high blood lipids and low thyroid hormone production.
I take 75mcg of T4 daily with several supplements some of which are as follows: MSM, Multi Vit., creatine, Coq10, Choline&inositol, L-Citruline, Fish oil, Mineral Complex, B-complex. and they keep me going.

Here's my question, I am ready to take matters into my own hands and start doing TRT at 250 Test. Cyp. a week divided into two doses, considering my test results what should I be looking out for and I am aware of the Lipids going even higher with TRT so gotta figure something out there. Obviously I am gyno prone so I need some help there with AI and would like to cycle on/off my TRT and not stay on for more than 12 weeks at a time. Any thoughts

 

[Takmard]

Lipid Panel
Cholesterol, Total 198 100-199 mg/dL 01
Triglycerides 138 0-149 mg/dL 01
HDL Cholesterol 35 LOW >39 mg/dL 01
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 28 5-40 mg/dL 01
LDL Cholesterol Calc 135 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL 01
Testosterone, Free/Tot Equilib
Testosterone, Serum 189 LOW 348-1197 ng/dL 01

Adult male reference interval is based on a population of lean males
up to 40 years old.
Testosterone,Free 6.29 5.00-21.00 ng/dL 02
% Free Testosterone 3.33 1.50-4.20 % 02
Dihydrotestosterone
Dihydrotestosterone 24 LOW ng/dL 03
Reference Range:
Adult Male: 30 - 85
Estradiol
Estradiol 6.2 LOW 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
IGF-1
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 144 75-216 ng/mL 02
Prostate-Specific Ag, Serum
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.6 0.0-4.0 ng/mL 01

 

[Guarionex]

Looks like you are a candidate for TRT. The. The big boys can chip in more info about it. See if you can get a doctor's prescription for test. For TRT is best to start at 100-150mg/week and see how yiu feel and react, specially if you are gyno pron. You'll need bloodwork about a month after starting TRT.

There's no cycling from TRT, once you're in you stay in for life.

Best of luck

 

[RickRock]

Hey bro, I recommend you go see an endo for your TRT , to get a legal script. If you are legitimately low, getting a script is very easy. Plus a good doc will put you on the right dose and adjust that depending on bloodwork. I can tell you right off the bat that 250mg is generally too high for TRT. Normally 200mg is about the max, so you don't want to go that high, especially if you are gyno prone.

 

[buen]

Also an Endo can zero in on why your estradiol is so low
This alone.... besides the low T .....can make you feel like shit and have sexual side effects

The Endrocrine system is complicated... It involves so much more than just adding test
For your overall health it's best to work with a good endo that will look at ALL aspects
And get your WHOLE system dialed in

 

[Takmard]

I agree with you guys, however there is a small problem. I canceled my medical insurance due to high cost a couple months ago. I'm self employed so I had to buy my own insurance since I earn too much to qualify for any kind of assistance and not enough to afford to pay $400 every month plus high copay and still had to pay almost full cost of medications. If that's not bad enough, six months ago when I had my blood work done with my doctor, my Total Test. was at 400 and he told me its not low enough to take any sort of action. SO here I was paying over $5000 a year for nothing. I figured it would be cheaper to pay for my own blood tests when I need them ($350) couple times a year and meds I can get online for less. Why would I pay these bastards 5K a year and my Primary Physician didn't even want to do anything about my low test. levels.
I have already purchased a ton of Test. Cyp and all kinds of PCT, AI stuff and was hoping to take this matter into my own hands with the help of experts on this forum.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Why is everyone so worried about use? If u wnna use them. Then fucking use them. You all are. Grown ass man. Stop asking to have people hold your hand. Just do it and stop worrying. Ugh....


PHURIOUS

 

[chelades]

You're an absolutely classic case of what I always talk about with Free T %. You have so little actual Total T that your body has unbound all of it to put it to use. Some guys running at 1300 Total T don't even have that Free T % because it's all bound up in SHBG.

The reason the Estradiol is so low is because there's so little T to be aromatized. It's all unbound and filling what AR sites it can, leaving not much left for aromatase to bind to. IMO.

Also classic symptoms of thyroid etc. My bet is that once you get on Test, everything including thyroid will jump back up.

Remember STERoid hormones are made with choleSTERol. When your body isn't making hormones, your cholesterol shoots up. Being on TRT actually CORRECTED my high cholesterol. My Doc couldn't believe it.

I agree that an Endo would be a next good port of call.

I mean, look - even if you get your hands on some Test yourself and start pinning - which it sounds like you're going to. Go and see an Endo along the way so they can monitor it anyway. You'll be forever chasing problems after problems that cause other problems if you go at it by yourself.

 

[buen]

I agree with you guys, however there is a small problem. I canceled my medical insurance due to high cost a couple months ago. I'm self employed so I had to buy my own insurance since I earn too much to qualify for any kind of assistance and not enough to afford to pay $400 every month plus high copay and still had to pay almost full cost of medications. If that's not bad enough, six months ago when I had my blood work done with my doctor, my Total Test. was at 400 and he told me its not low enough to take any sort of action. SO here I was paying over $5000 a year for nothing. I figured it would be cheaper to pay for my own blood tests when I need them ($350) couple times a year and meds I can get online for less. Why would I pay these bastards 5K a year and my Primary Physician didn't even want to do anything about my low test. levels.
I have already purchased a ton of Test. Cyp and all kinds of PCT, AI stuff and was hoping to take this matter into my own hands with the help of experts on this forum.

So with that reasoning if you had a brain tumor.. You'd just use a pocket knife and cut it out yourself
A qualified endo can properly diagnose you and treat you accordingly
But hey... Your health is only as valuable as you treat it

 

[Zeigo]

So with that reasoning if you had a brain tumor.. You'd just use a pocket knife and cut it out yourself
A qualified endo can properly diagnose you and treat you accordingly
But hey... Your health is only as valuable as you treat it

Speaking of brain Tumors.... All these problem could also be caused by a cyct in your pituitary gland that if uncheck and it keeps growing could make problem worse and even cause blindness as it applies pressure to the back of your eyes. I would see a ENDO and make sure... I did and found I have a cyst and have to get yearly MRI ... And now I'm on TRT...

 

[buen]

Speaking of brain Tumors.... All these problem could also be caused by a cyct in your pituitary gland that if uncheck and it keeps growing could make problem worse and even cause blindness as it applies pressure to the back of your eyes. I would see a ENDO and make sure... I did and found I have a cyst and have to get yearly MRI ... And now I'm on TRT...

I also was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor and have been on TRT for 15 years

All these guys that get a low test blood result..then self prescribe themselves TRT are doing themselves a huge disservice

There are REASONS for low test..it's a SYMPTOM...not a condition
It needs to be properly diagnosed

 

[Takmard]

You guys all make good points here, Thanks for all your input and feedback. I agree with you and will get my insurance restarted, just can't do it for a couple more months till I get some overdue bills paid off. It sounds to me as if tumor or not, TRT is what is prescribed in most cases anyways to correct the condition while monitoring the cause by Endo doctors.

 

[buen]

It sounds to me as if tumor or not, TRT is what is prescribed in most cases anyways to correct the condition while monitoring the cause by Endo doctors.

there are literally hundreds of reasons for low test..it can be something a simple as low iron, and easily corrected

 

[RickRock]

there are literally hundreds of reasons for low test..it can be something a simple as low iron, and easily corrected

I agree. First and foremost things need to be corrected that can contribute to lower test Levels, before resorting to TRT. That should always be the last resort