Please Help ! Opinion for first Tren Cycle.

[Llee201]

Please Help ! Opinion for first low Tren Cycle.

Hi
First, I want to say how thankful I am for all the information and helps from Dylan and Isarms.
they have been saving my life !

I just wanted to ask opinion for my next cycle.
I know Dylan is a busy guy, but I would really appreciate his opinion !

I am 29 Years old
I am 5' 9
I have been training about 9 years
my body fat level is around 14 % (actually 14%!) can see very defined abs on good lighting.
I am 175 pounds
and for my diet, I track my macro and do typical clean eating.

first cycle, I did (test only) cycle
second I did (t bol) (test) and (eq)
3rd cycle I did (winny) (deca) (test)

Although my main goal is to gain lean mass from this cycle, I want to use tren because
I have used eq and deca before. if you ask me about Primo, I just cant afford and dont know where to get it... I want to try finally tren to see how my body reacts to it
at this time I am planning to use tren anadrol and test.

My Plan is

Total 12 weeks of cycle
Anadrol 50/50/50/50/50/50 first 6 weeks everyday
Test Enanthate 150~ 175mg weekly
Tren Enanthate 150~ 175mg weekly

Caber 0.25mg every 3 days ( Do you think I should go higher ?)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Milk Thistle 200mg daily

HCG 500IU Twice weekly for last 4 weeks before PCT.

(Start PCT 2 weeks after the last injection)
PCT total 6 weeks

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
gw 50156 20mg Everyday

Milk Thistle 200mg daily
Tribulus 450mg daily


Please let me know If I am missing something !

thanks a lot as always.
have a wonderful day.

 

[cbbram00]

I wouldn't expect a whole lot from those dosages. I personally would run 350/350 Tren Ace and Test Prop (adjust Test dosage according to libido). If you plan on staying at 175mg you should be ok with Tren Enanthate but if you increase the dosage and run into some serious side effects you'll be stuck for a while waiting for the long ester to clear. Tren Ace is out in a few days. Many many people bail on their first Tren cycle due to side effects. Proceed with caution...

 

[Llee201]

Then Lets say I do tren ace test ace 200~250/200~250 weekly
and do 10 weeks cycle instead

Do you think Caber 0.25mg every 3 days is enough ? or i also need to adjust dosage by myself ?

I just want to know where to start

thanks !

 

[cbbram00]

I like this better. This Caber dosage should be just fine. 10 weeks is very ambitious for a first Tren cycle. I was barely able to make 8 weeks on my first one. You will start to feel the strain on your body around week 6.

 

[cbbram00]

You're gonna have to pin Ace ed or eod. I personally pin ed but some prefer eod and that seems to work just fine.

 

[RickRock]

Hey bud. How's your diet look? Being on your 4th cycle I'd figure your stats would be quite a bit better. Just trying to help here so you can get the most out of your cycles

 

[EZ_E]

Bump Rick on the stats. After three Cycles if you're only 175 that's got to be a problem with your diet or training.

I'm a big fan of less is more but you don't want to go too low on your doses because then you'll be causing shut down without any anabolic benefit.

In my opinion you need to get your body fat down and make some changes to your diet and training before you start thinking about cycling again.

 

[Llee201]

You're gonna have to pin Ace ed or eod. I personally pin ed but some prefer eod and that seems to work just fine.

yes I do know that and not looking forward to it !
whatever it takes.
thanks a lot for your insight.

 

[DylanGemelli]

thats too long for anadrol man.. there's no need to go over 4 weeks with it... caber dose will be plenty with that dose of tren as well

 

[cbbram00]

thats too long for anadrol man.. there's no need to go over 4 weeks with it... caber dose will be plenty with that dose of tren as well

Wow I missed the Anadrol part. If this is his first Tren cycle definitely no need to add Anadrol.

 

[Llee201]

Hey bud. How's your diet look? Being on your 4th cycle I'd figure your stats would be quite a bit better. Just trying to help here so you can get the most out of your cycles

i roughly have been tracking my macro for about 4 years so
I am well aware of where my maintenance calories level is
When i m on cycle I eat 300~400 calories surplus
When im off i normally cut so i can be ready for next cycle
About 70 80% calories come from “clean food”
Training wise i train 4~6times weekly never ever skip
I always do track my major compounds lifts

Do you think my surplus is too weak?

 

[Llee201]

thats too long for anadrol man.. there's no need to go over 4 weeks with it... caber dose will be plenty with that dose of tren as well

Thanks alot as always Dylan
Still deciding if i will do Anadrol 50mg 4weeks
or not...
Other than that..
I think I am ready to go !
Very look forward next cycle.

 

[cbbram00]

If this is your first Tren cycle I recommend you wait on the Anadrol. Tren is hard enough to handle by itself. Work your way up to it. I've done 4 Tren cycles already and I'm not even thinking about Anadrol to be honest. I'm not sure I could handle those 2 together.

 

[DylanGemelli]

probably want to hold off on anadrol if its your first time using tren bro...

 

[Llee201]

probably want to hold off on anadrol if its your first time using tren bro...

What do you guys think. NPP 350 test 350 12 wks with anadrol combo ?
I have used deca330 before. I was fine
My main goal from this cycle is gaining mass.
And not gonna cut until my next next cycle keep my calories high and finally
For my next next cycle. I want to cut with it
And never be on cycle again.
Because i did notice no matter how delicate and long my pct is. I do lose size and strength once i drop my calories

 

[EZ_E]

i roughly have been tracking my macro for about 4 years so
I am well aware of where my maintenance calories level is
When i m on cycle I eat 300~400 calories surplus
When im off i normally cut so i can be ready for next cycle
About 70 80% calories come from “clean food”View attachment 5955
Training wise i train 4~6times weekly never ever skip
I always do track my major compounds lifts

Do you think my surplus is too weak?

If this is a recent picture then it looks like you may be under estimating yourself on weight. You have some nice size on your arms and shoulders and a very tiny waist. Well done.

 

[RickRock]

i roughly have been tracking my macro for about 4 years so
I am well aware of where my maintenance calories level is
When i m on cycle I eat 300~400 calories surplus
When im off i normally cut so i can be ready for next cycle
About 70 80% calories come from “clean food”View attachment 5955
Training wise i train 4~6times weekly never ever skip
I always do track my major compounds lifts

Do you think my surplus is too weak?

That's usually a good range as long as you truly know your maintenance calories. You just want to make sure you are actually making gains

 

[DylanGemelli]

What do you guys think. NPP 350 test 350 12 wks with anadrol combo ?
I have used deca330 before. I was fine
My main goal from this cycle is gaining mass.
And not gonna cut until my next next cycle keep my calories high and finally
For my next next cycle. I want to cut with it
And never be on cycle again.
Because i did notice no matter how delicate and long my pct is. I do lose size and strength once i drop my calories

that should be a nice and effective stack