PCT or TRT?

[Dangans]

What's up all
I have a question that Dylan and Rick Rock answered for me an obviously their input is golden but I would like to hear from others also.

I'm 43 will be 44 in March
My total test is 441
My free test is 9.5
My E2 is 21

Training for 4 years

I have never pinned before so these are my natural levels

I would like to start a cycle of
1-12 Test CYP 150-200mg
1-12 GW 501516
1-12 MK 2866
1-12 LGD


Should I PCT or should I Stay on TRT

Then I would like to maybe do a blast for the next 12 weeks? After PCT or stay in TRT dose then

I feel the symptoms of Low T
I spoke to a Endocrinologist and he said that he believes any levels of 450 or below above the age of 25 should be on trt. but what do Dr know about Testosterone

Feedback back would be appreciated

 

[Dangans]

Pct bud, trt is only when absolutely necessary. No need to make that commitment.. It's not a small decision.

What protocol would you recommend for pct?
And how long

 

[RickRock]

I know I've already helped you before with this bud, but I'll still chime in and give my thoughts.

I'm actually going to give you a bit different position and a couple things to think about that is a little different than what I said before.

I think you can go either way with this. On one hand, your numbers are still in range, so why not stay doing PCT while you can keep them in range. Seems to make sense right?

However, on the other hand you are already mid 40s and these numbers are not going to increase, but will more than likely decrease over time. Also, your numbers are not exactly at the ideal level even though they are technically in range, especially for those of us that are looking to build more muscle and make gains

I've given this more thought, and I am trying to put myself into your situation, and honestly if it were me I'd probably end up going on. When I went on TRT it was one of the best decisions I ever made. However keep in mind that my numbers were WAY worse than yours. I couldn't even get my test to 200. Libido was shot and I had no energy. I had no motivation or drive.

If you feel fine, then that is a big part of it. No matter what you choose, the decision is not easy. TRT is a life long commitment, and you should really think about the pros and cons of both sides before making a choice.

 

[JM750]

Test CYP 150-200mg p/w is basically a trt dose anyway.

 

[FL1025]

I think your levels actually look decent and I would attempt to pct if you weren't feeling the symptoms of low T. me personally I wouldn't want to be suffering with a low libido and just feeling terrible if I could solve it with one injection and a few pills a week. That's just my opinion.

 

[Dangans]

I know I've already helped you before with this bud, but I'll still chime in and give my thoughts.

I'm actually going to give you a bit different position and a couple things to think about that is a little different than what I said before.

I think you can go either way with this. On one hand, your numbers are still in range, so why not stay doing PCT while you can keep them in range. Seems to make sense right?

However, on the other hand you are already mid 40s and these numbers are not going to increase, but will more than likely decrease over time. Also, your numbers are not exactly at the ideal level even though they are technically in range, especially for those of us that are looking to build more muscle and make gains

I've given this more thought, and I am trying to put myself into your situation, and honestly if it were me I'd probably end up going on. When I went on TRT it was one of the best decisions I ever made. However keep in mind that my numbers were WAY worse than yours. I couldn't even get my test to 200. Libido was shot and I had no energy. I had no motivation or drive.

If you feel fine, then that is a big part of it. No matter what you choose, the decision is not easy. TRT is a life long commitment, and you should really think about the pros and cons of both sides before making a choice.

Thanks Rick I did forget to mention that when I was 35 my levels were 600 441 is a steep drop? Maybe that is why I feel the way I do as I was use to have levels at the range?

I might pct to see how I feel if I don't feel good after pct them maybe stay on. I know it a big commitment to be on rest of your life. I also have sleep apnea so being on might effect my sleep apnea

 

[Dangans]

I think your levels actually look decent and I would attempt to pct if you weren't feeling the symptoms of low T. me personally I wouldn't want to be suffering with a low libido and just feeling terrible if I could solve it with one injection and a few pills a week. That's just my opinion.

Thanks FL1025 i hear ya on the one injection a week

 

[Dangans]

Test CYP 150-200mg p/w is basically a trt dose anyway.

Yea I know I would like to start TRT dose and see how my body reacts

 

[RickRock]

Thanks Rick I did forget to mention that when I was 35 my levels were 600 441 is a steep drop? Maybe that is why I feel the way I do as I was use to have levels at the range?

I might pct to see how I feel if I don't feel good after pct them maybe stay on. I know it a big commitment to be on rest of your life. I also have sleep apnea so being on might effect my sleep apnea

Dropping 159 points is probably pretty normal for nearly a ten year span from 44 to 35. Once you get into your 50s you would probably be in the 300s somewhere. 348 is bottom of normal range I believe

 

[Dangans]

Dropping 159 points is probably pretty normal for nearly a ten year span from 44 to 35. Once you get into your 50s you would probably be in the 300s somewhere. 348 is bottom of normal range I believe

Maybe pct to see how I feel after the 12 weeks if I feel good during pct then I would just continue to blast and pct if not I will get on TRT what is your opinion on this protocol

 

[DylanGemelli]

What's up all
I have a question that Dylan and Rick Rock answered for me an obviously their input is golden but I would like to hear from others also.

I'm 43 will be 44 in March
My total test is 441
My free test is 9.5
My E2 is 21

Training for 4 years

I have never pinned before so these are my natural levels

I would like to start a cycle of
1-12 Test CYP 150-200mg
1-12 GW 501516
1-12 MK 2866
1-12 LGD


Should I PCT or should I Stay on TRT

Then I would like to maybe do a blast for the next 12 weeks? After PCT or stay in TRT dose then

I feel the symptoms of Low T
I spoke to a Endocrinologist and he said that he believes any levels of 450 or below above the age of 25 should be on trt. but what do Dr know about Testosterone

Feedback back would be appreciated

this is a tough one because you are very borderline... personally, i like your levels in the 600-700 range to really feel healthy and strong etc... your definitely low in my opinion... being that your still close, i would probably run one cycle, run pct, see how it balances out during your bridge and then go from there... if you find that levels are still on the lower end, then i would probably go with trt but i would give it one more shot before you go all out on it... just to be sure... one good cycle could be all you need or it could make it worse but i would at least find out first... you can always start it later but once you start you need to stay on so this would be my best recommendation... i will lay this out for you on how to run it...

1-12 test cyp 200-250 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Dangans]

this is a tough one because you are very borderline... personally, i like your levels in the 600-700 range to really feel healthy and strong etc... your definitely low in my opinion... being that your still close, i would probably run one cycle, run pct, see how it balances out during your bridge and then go from there... if you find that levels are still on the lower end, then i would probably go with trt but i would give it one more shot before you go all out on it... just to be sure... one good cycle could be all you need or it could make it worse but i would at least find out first... you can always start it later but once you start you need to stay on so this would be my best recommendation... i will lay this out for you on how to run it...

1-12 test cyp 200-250 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

Thx Dylan I will run a pct take it from there. I can order mini pct stack from PE?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thx Dylan I will run a pct take it from there. I can order mini pct stack from PE?

yes, all pct stacks are there... this particular pct would be the platinum pct stack to fully cover it.. the mini pct stack is for sarms only cycles...

 

[Dangans]

yes, all pct stacks are there... this particular pct would be the platinum pct stack to fully cover it.. the mini pct stack is for sarms only cycles...

Ok great thanks

 

[DylanGemelli]

Ok great thanks

anytime bro

 

[Dangans]

Dropping 159 points is probably pretty normal for nearly a ten year span from 44 to 35. Once you get into your 50s you would probably be in the 300s somewhere. 348 is bottom of normal range I believe

My Dr is cool but does no know shit about Testosterone, He said after I spoke with him he started researching and says 450 total test is normal for an 80 year old man not for a 44 year old. He is about 55 yrs old and now he says thank you for speaking to me about trt as he is going to get tested for his levels LOL...

 

[RickRock]

My Dr is cool but does no know shit about Testosterone, He said after I spoke with him he started researching and says 450 total test is normal for an 80 year old man not for a 44 year old. He is about 55 yrs old and now he says thank you for speaking to me about trt as he is going to get tested for his levels LOL...

That's actually quite common for most doctors unfortunately. They are relatively clueless about trt, send it's rare to find a doctor that knows his shit about it

 

[Dangans]

this is a tough one because you are very borderline... personally, i like your levels in the 600-700 range to really feel healthy and strong etc... your definitely low in my opinion... being that your still close, i would probably run one cycle, run pct, see how it balances out during your bridge and then go from there... if you find that levels are still on the lower end, then i would probably go with trt but i would give it one more shot before you go all out on it... just to be sure... one good cycle could be all you need or it could make it worse but i would at least find out first... you can always start it later but once you start you need to stay on so this would be my best recommendation... i will lay this out for you on how to run it...

1-12 test cyp 200-250 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

I was wondering if I can replace the S4 with LGD has I have LGD in hand for the complete cycle. Also with HCG should I pin 2 x week at 500ius each or split into 4x @250ius?

 

[DylanGemelli]

I was wondering if I can replace the S4 with LGD has I have LGD in hand for the complete cycle. Also with HCG should I pin 2 x week at 500ius each or split into 4x @250ius?

hcg dosing is twice a week, not 4 times... i would recommend keeping s4 and just adding lgd... those two go together like peanut butter and jelly and that would enhance this cycle even further

 

[Dangans]

hcg dosing is twice a week, not 4 times... i would recommend keeping s4 and just adding lgd... those two go together like peanut butter and jelly and that would enhance this cycle even further

Ok kool I will get some S4 I have one bottle but will get 2 more. Thx for the HCG dosing. I have 2 weeks more from my back injury them back in the gym and hopefully will start my cycle