organic chemistry

[drb_iac]

Am going to write a few posts about organic chemistry, the half life, and the esters and esterfication.I will try explain what all of this means, and what is short chain or long chain. I will just focus on the tests. The other compounds can be on another day.

So all vegetable oils are different for one reason. The ratio and makeup of the fatty acids. So there is walnut oil,seasame oil,cottonseed oil and on it goes. These oils are like fingerprints because they all have different amounts and ratios of the same odl fatty acids over and over. You probably know a few of them, oleic acid,linoleic acid,proprionic acid, linolenic acid. Well these are all call acids because they all have at the end of their molecule a C=OH group. If this c=o group undergoes a reation with another compound such as test then the resulting molecule is call an ester. The process of connecting a fatty acid to the test molecule is called esterfication. If we say Chain we mean how many carbon atoms make of the train or the ester! Is it 1 carbon,12carbons,25 carbons... C or C-C ,C-C-C, C-C-C-C, and on it goes. So we have one carbon thru 4 carbons here. How about 8 carbons? That would be nonaic acid. 10 carbons deconaic acid, 12 carbons undecoanic acid. So here is undecoanic acid c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-=o-oh. Every dam one of these is same thing except for the number of carbons on the chain. All of organic chemistry works on this principal. Gases..the simplest is methane with 1 carbon with 4 hyrdrogens Ch4. One carbon is methane, c-c-oh is ethane,3 is proane, 4 is butane, 5 is pentane, heptane, octane, nonane, decane and on it goes again.
Alcohols- ch3ooh...1 carbon is methanol, 2 carbons is ethanol...hey ethanol...the only one you can drink!!! Then propanol, then butanol and on it goes again. Notice that it is always the same name....meth, eth, prop, butt, pent, hep...on it goes with every chemical there is. Now test is also a fatty acid,but to be exact these fatty acids and the test all belong to the group called carboxylic acids. Meaning c=oh. So test by itself has a molecular weight of 288.5. Molecular weight means we count up all of the carbons and hydrogens and other elements, add them up using a periodic chart. Now take test and hook it to cypionic acid and you have a new molecule ,a new compound called an ester or.. test cypionate. If it ends in ate it means there are no more active spots on the molecule. If it ends in ic then it is reactive. So we reacted test with cypionic acid and have a new molecular weight of 412.

So what % of test are we really getting when we shoot 100mgs of test cypionate? Ok the test weighs 288gms and the entire molecule weighs 412. So test cyp is actually only 69.9% test. So if we shoot 100mgs then we get 69.9 mgs from it.Yet if we shoot test prop it is 83.7% test, so 100mgs of test prop delivers 83.7mgs of test.
The reason is that the proprionic acid is a short chain so the ratio of test to the entire ester is close to each other. The smaller the chain the more test it delivers.

The drawback is the half life! Next post

 

[drb_iac]

Half life

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!!

 

[drb_iac]

Half life

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!![/quote]

 

[drb_iac]

Half life

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!![/quote]

 

[drb_iac]

Re: Half life

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!!

[/quote]

 

[drb_iac]

Re: Half life

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!!

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[drb_iac]

what a mess

I will not write anymore long posts until this website is fixed. I nearly lost everything I wrote.I had to keep logging in over and over and now the organic chemistry post is combined with the half life post. Sorry about this mess.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

Re: what a mess

I will not write anymore long posts until this website is fixed. I nearly lost everything I wrote.I had to keep logging in over and over and now the organic chemistry post is combined with the half life post. Sorry about this mess.

lol..no problem man, thanks for the information. good stuff here

 

[Saiyan]

Ahhh save it to a note and copy and paste. I'd hate to not get a chance to read something you write.


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[JackSteel]

Thanks for posting! This is one of the things people are commonly uneducated about, especially such a detailed explanation.


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[middle aged fat guy]

Great posts DRB

 

[RickRock]

Lots of great info here, Drb. Thank you for sharing and posting this. It really helps differentiate the differences between esters, half-lives and the a,punt of active compound you get from the ester attached.

Looking forward to any more information you can provide in the future buddy!

 

[jr1474]

So we understand what chain length means. It is simply the number of carbon atoms attached to the test. Think of it as a train. The more cars you add, the longer the chain. Half life is the time from when you inject until the time when the body has gotten rid of half the dose. So back to the train. If we have to travel from LA to st louis and on to boston, then when the engine hits st louis the engine (the test molecule) is almost there. When 50% of the cars get past st louis we are at the half life. So if we are pulling only 2 cars like test prop then we get in and out of st louis very fast. If we are pulling 100 cars we get there very slowly, and once the engine hits st.louis then it takes a long time to reach the half life. Half life meaning 50% of the cars are in st louis, but 50% are out of st.louis. Everything is slower going to st louis,and it takes a long time to get half of the cars out of st louis. This is how it works! Just like the train. So test prop is the sports car...in and out, and test cyp is the slow poke. A long time to get in, but once there it takes a long time to get out.

The goal is to get to where when the first train is 50% out...at its half life, the second train is halfway in st louis. This is called the steady state. Half is going out but another half is just going in. The amount going in = the amount going out. The steady state usually takes 5-6 injections to be achieved. Therefore it is easy to see that this is done quicker with short chains than with long chains. Having to shoot prop every other day vs cyp shows that 5-6 injections will come fast, and steady state will be reached quickly.

Now we also need to realize that some drugs are effective after having reached the steady state. If you drink alcohol which is a short short chain the the effect from alcohol is while it is going in. When it is going out it leaves undesired effects. Some drugs are the opposite. They dont give effect until they are going out.
For those who understand calculus the effects of a drug only takes place if there is a derivative other than zero. In the case of test cyp the steady state is working at its best when the amount going in equals the amount going out. So this accumulation makes test cyp more powerful, and the effects keep building and building. With test prop the effects come on fast but there is no building. The 50% leaving is of no value so there is no accumulation.

Some half life of tests. Will also show what % test is on the chain. Test Cyp 69.9 %, half life 8 days; Test E 71.99% &5-7 days; test prop 83.7% & .5-1.5 days; test decoanate 65.2% & 15 days;. So you get the picture here I hope.

Also with the % of test on the molecule it will make a difference if you are using 100mgs. If this is cyp then you are getting 60.0mg of test. If this is enan then you are 71.99mg. When you use 500mg of cyp you get 350mgs vs enan at 360mgs. So the higher the dose of test you use the more irrelevent it is as to the % test on the molecule. BUT I would pay attention to this for those on TRT and are using only 100-150mg. You can see that the enan would be better. Test undecoanate would be only 65.2 mgs but would stay in your system for a very long time. If you used Test Prop then you get 83.7% test, but it is gone one day latter.
Which brings us to sustanon. It was considerd to be the best for trt because you would have the long chained decoante in your system for 15 days and the prop in your system right away but only for 1 day. Makes sense but it never panned out to be the miracle that was thought of it.

So for trt people....use test E, ..it delivers more test and has almost the half life of cyp. For those on a cycle and using over 200mg then pick one! Or two, or three!!
When you break it all down it seems cyp and enan would be best...which in the real world that is the case. It is always either cyp,enan or sus. This is why I choose for me personally the sus and the enan.

Ok enough chemistry for one day!!

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Your a genius! How did you learn so much about this?

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[MaxxPursuit]

Awesome post as usual man!

 

[cmb5017]

Thanks for posting! This is one of the things people are commonly uneducated about, especially such a detailed explanation.


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[Kman61]

Fantastic information. I now have a stupid question. Since my Test C is stated at 300mg per cc, I am only getting 209.7 mgs from a 1cc pin. If this is correct I would need to bump my pin by a little less than 1/3 to get a 300mg dose. In other words if I am reading this correctly I have been under-dosing my hard planned cycles for years? I would love to know the ratios for Eq, mast, and Primo since they are my staples (along with Test C).

 

[cmb5017]

Fantastic information. I now have a stupid question. Since my Test C is stated at 300mg per cc, I am only getting 209.7 mgs from a 1cc pin. If this is correct I would need to bump my pin by a little less than 1/3 to get a 300mg dose. In other words if I am reading this correctly I have been under-dosing my hard planned cycles for years? I would love to know the ratios for Eq, mast, and Primo since they are my staples (along with Test C).

Look at the sticky at the top of page

 

[Kman61]

Look at the sticky at the top of page

I saw that a couple of days ago. I was just trying to confirm my lame brain thinking. 35 years of bro science does not dissipate in a moment. LMAO!

 

[JackSteel]

This is drb Jack

Ah ok! [emoji4] thanks! Lol finally I'm in the loop!


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[Jake]

Ah ok! [emoji4] thanks! Lol finally I'm in the loop!


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lol..Jack drb is what you would call eccentric,esoteric etc. He is a Mensa with an extremely high IQ. In college he got to BS degrees within 3 years..one in Chemistry and another in Microbiology. He then went to Oxford and got an MS in chemical pharmacology. They when he grew up and decided what he wanted to do for living he went to vet school. He specialized in large farm animals and was also in demand as a race horse surgeon.He was also very fascinated with weightlifting, diet,nutrition, and developing and making PED's. He did many things diet wise and drug wise that were just experiments that today is common knowledge.He is also one of the kindest and gentlest men that you will ever meet. He set his sons up in businesses that included farming,personal training, etc.
He is brilliant,funny and always readt to help. He has retired to Costa Rica, but still stays busy working out like a fiend and farming nannas and p apples, as he says.
The last time I workedout with him he went lb for lb , rep for rep and set for set with me. I have to post this old pic of him..I guess he was 30ish, and swore that you could cut on dbol.Ofcourse in those days not a lot of folks new what dbol was, and he was only one of a few that totally understood keto diets. He is a good guy.