New to Juice

[lehman]

I'm planning my first cycle. Starting with injections of EQ for 16 weeks and finish up with Winstrol orals for the last 8. I'm very interested in being safe about this. Taking test makes me nervous at this point, but isn't off the table. Your vlogs have been great, but I'm nervous that you haven't really talked about these two together. You're input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time Sir,
lehman

 

[RickRock]

We need your full stats, goals, and experience before we can advise you on anything

 

[EZ_E]

Why does test make you nervous?

 

[lehman]

EQ injections 600mg @ 2ml 1 injection per week for 16 - 20 weeks
Whinny 5: 10mg tabs per week for 8 weeks.
PCT stack from isarmsx for 4 weeks

Will I show gains from this or am I wasting my time so far. I say I'm nervous about test cause I'm not interested in the side effects and the way it will mess with my estrogen to testosterone levels. I'm aware of the whinny side effects and am not starting anything until I have it all in place.

 

[DT117]

Test makes you nervous but winstrol doesn't? You need to learn some more about what you're talking about before you even consider a cycle.

 

[lehman]

EQ: 600mg per week in 2mL for 16 weeks
Whinny: 50mg per day being 5 tabs for the last 8 weeks of running EQ.
Then a PCT stack from isarmsx to help bring system back from whinny side effects

This was my plan so far.

 

[InsaneGainz]

You have to have test in any cycle brother its absolutely necessary

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[bodean30]

In the immortal words of 44:
SMH

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[lehman]

Age: 31
Height: 6'
Weight: 220
Training: 16 years
Diet is good, limited red meats. Mostly chicken and fish.
Workouts: Mon-Thurs twice a day. Once Friday. Saturday and Sunday recovery days.

 

[lehman]

This is information I needed to know. I will take your advice. So, I should add test, follow with clomid and nolvidex to this.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

I don't get why test is making you nervous but eq and winny are not. Test is absolutely necessary. To be honest though.. for a first cycle, you shouldn't even be thinking of multiple compounds. Why the rush? Your first time should be test only at 12 weeks maximum. What is your bf%?

 

[bodean30]

You absolutely can not SAFELY run any kind of steroids without a testosterone base.
Honestly, your first cycle should ONLY be testosterone. No other compounds. You need to know how your body reacts to it before adding things.
A typical first cycle would be 350mg/week of test cypionate or enanthate. This is a great starting point.

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[InsaneGainz]

You absolutely can not SAFELY run any kind of steroids without a testosterone base.
Honestly, your first cycle should ONLY be testosterone. No other compounds. You need to know how your body reacts to it before adding things.
A typical first cycle would be 350mg/week of test cypionate or enanthate. This is a great starting point.

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This ^

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[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

If your going to do a cycle, why not do it right and at an optimal. Add test always, its like the difference between night and day

 

[IND]

OP, a 16 week Test, EQ, and Winny run should NOT be your first cycle.

Keep it simple and run the test only, see how you respond as far as sides and estrogen related issues go. You can make Nice keepable quality gains with a test only cycle. You are new to this bro, If you run a cycle with multiple compounds you are going to have no idea what to look out for or how to combat the sides when they arise.

 

[EZ_E]

1st cycle should be test only. You are grossly over training.

What's your body fat?

Red meat is good if you eat the right cut.

 

[DylanGemelli]

bro, you are not listening, and you are missing the entire point of all of this.. YOU CANNOT RUN THAT MUCH SHIT ON A FIRST CYCLE MAN... absolutely not... eq needs to be ran a MINIMUM of 16 weeks... you cannot run a cycle that long on a first cycle and you definitely should not use winstrol on a first cycle... i am beyond uncomfortable advising you on any steroid use... you dont have a clue what you are doing and you are going to wreck yourself before you even get this started... you need serious help before you start anything... the fact you dont grasp the concept of needing test is scary enough but everything else is far worse... you need to do far more research before you even consider this...