Need input for test, deca, and eq cycle

[sunurte]

Hi everyone!

Looking for some guidance regarding my upcoming cycle where I am thinking about including deca and eq for the first time. My previous cycles have been cycles of test cyp for 12 weeks at a time.

I'm 37 years old and have been training for most of my adult life, 5'7", 185 lbs and about 13% body fat. My goal is to gain lean muscle and size with minimal body fat gain

I know I should run the deca at the same dosage of the test and that eq needs to be run longer and at higher amounts but I'm unsure if I should be extending the test/deca to 16 weeks to coincide with the eq

Week 1-12 test cyp @ 400mg per week---aromasin12.5mg ED
Week 1-12 deca @ 400mg per week--caber .25mg every 3 days
Week 1-16 eq @ 800mg

1000iu of hcg per week for the 4 weeks leading up to pct

Pct
Week 1 50mg clomid and 40mg nolva
Week 2 50 mg clomid and 20 mg of nolva
Week 3-4 25mg clomid and 20 mg of nolva

Thanks in advance for the help!

 

[Dangans]

Hi everyone!

Looking for some guidance regarding my upcoming cycle where I am thinking about including deca and eq for the first time. My previous cycles have been cycles of test cyp for 12 weeks at a time.

I'm 37 years old and have been training for most of my adult life, 5'7", 185 lbs and about 13% body fat. My goal is to gain lean muscle and size with minimal body fat gain

I know I should run the deca at the same dosage of the test and that eq needs to be run longer and at higher amounts but I'm unsure if I should be extending the test/deca to 16 weeks to coincide with the eq

Week 1-12 test cyp @ 400mg per week---aromasin12.5mg ED
Week 1-12 deca @ 400mg per week--caber .25mg every 3 days
Week 1-16 eq @ 800mg

1000iu of hcg per week for the 4 weeks leading up to pct

Pct
Week 1 50mg clomid and 40mg nolva
Week 2 50 mg clomid and 20 mg of nolva
Week 3-4 25mg clomid and 20 mg of nolva

Thanks in advance for the help!

I ran a typical cycle I would say this if you are going to run eq for 16 weeks why would you not run test for 16 ? I don’t like deca I usually run NPP but that is my choice. The doses are good but I usually run test a little lower then deca to let the deca shine. But this is only my opinion. Caber at 25mg is insane unless it’s a typo. I can’t answer PCT because I am on TRT.


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[sunurte]

Yeah, I was thinking the test/deca and eq should both be 16 weeks.

And my caber dosage is .25mg every three days. That's too much?

Any feedback on why you prefer npp over deca? Thanks for the advice

 

[Dangans]

Yeah, I was thinking the test/deca and eq should both be 16 weeks.

And my caber dosage is .25mg every three days. That's too much?

Any feedback on why you prefer npp over deca? Thanks for the advice

.25 is plenty maybe not even needed a lot of ppl use it for precaution I don’t use caber I’m not prolactin sensitive also if my sex drive gets tanked I use Cialis 10mg ED instead this works for me.


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[RickRock]

Pct needs more bro

clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day


You also don't have to use HCG. Post ct is a great replacement for HCG withut having to worry about the sides and negatives that come with HCG https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct

 

[cbbram00]

Looks like a basic bulking cycle without a Dbol kickstart. A little Caber goes a long way and really helps my libido significantly. I always dose 0.25mg once or twice a week.

 

[sunurte]

Thanks for the pct advice. Makes sense that I would need a longer pct due to the longer cycle.

Keep running the aromasin during pct or were you correcting my on-cycle AI plan?

 

[sunurte]

Thanks for the feedback. Good to see that I'm on the right track

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for the pct advice. Makes sense that I would need a longer pct due to the longer cycle.

Keep running the aromasin during pct or were you correcting my on-cycle AI plan?

Yes you need to run it in pct to prevent estrogen rebound, but probably not the full 6 weeks. 4 weeks is probably plenty

 

[sunurte]

Right on, brother. I'll be adding that to the plan

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

For some reason people love to run EQ long but not deca. They have the same half life.

 

[DylanGemelli]

here's a full layout...

1-16 test cyp 400 mg week
1-16 deca 400 mg week
1-16 eq 800 mg week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-16 caber .25 mg e3d
15-18 dga post ct https://www.dganutrition.com/product/post-ct/

pct 19-24

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[sunurte]

Thanks a ton, Dylan! You haven't steered me wrong and I appreciate the help

 

[DylanGemelli]

anytime bro

 

[sunurte]

Hey Dylan, should the GW be used for 4 weeks as well?

 

[DylanGemelli]

no?? im lost because it would say that next to it if that were the case but it doesnt, it ONLY says that after mk for a reason

 

[sunurte]

Cool, so the GW goes 6 weeks. You're the man. Thanks

 

[DylanGemelli]

no problem