Hi Dylan,
I just wanted to thank you first of all for the great content you are putting online every day! This is clearly made with much passion and dedication, which is really felt and much appreciated!
That being said, I have a problem and really hope you can help me out with this.
I'm 33 years old, 185 cm and actually 95 Kg and about 18% BF. I've been training for the past 4 years. Last year I had a surgery to my right knee so I could not work out for about 6 months, that’s why my BF went up. I was at about 11% BF before surgery.
Last December I decided to start my first Test E cycle and was expecting some strength gain/increase. (Actually, I weighed 90 kg when I started the cycle and about 17% BF). My plan was to put on some muscles and at the same time burn BF to achieve my 11% or do even better than that. Unfortunately, what happened was the opposite! I started to feel very weak and lethargic and at some point (30-60min after injecting) I had some flu-like symptoms and a light fever started to develop, which manifested 6-8 hrs after injecting and lasted for about 2 to 4 hrs. I was also very bloated and started to gain water weight like crazy. After one week on Test E I gained about 6 kg! I know for sure this were not muscles, but the major part of it water, because I could literally feel it in my fingers and feet (horrible feeling). My RHR was about 85 bpm and I felt like shit! Obviously, I was no more able to train normally for a couple of days.
Now, being new to this stuff I didn’t know how to react or what to do. My buddy didn’t know what to do either because this shit was something he never experienced before. So, I decided to switch over to Test P (250mg/Week, Injecting 2x per Week 125 mg). Thanks to the shorter ester, I finally got rid of the extreme water retention and could train again having less fever-like symptoms. Although the PIP was even greater with Test P, I kept on training and injecting for 6 Weeks hoping I would benefit at some point of all the known benefits Test should bring… But no strength increase occurred, I felt weak and lethargic more and more. At this point I switched Test brand thinking it was maybe the oil..The symptoms were not that bad anymore with the new brand, I still did hold water and my RHR was pretty high, but I didn’t get the fever and the PIP was bearable.
BUT at some point (after week 6) I had to get up at night, every night about 4-5 times to urinate. Then I started to worry something could be wrong with my prostate.I didn't have any sort of strenght increase either. So, after 7 weeks in, I decided to quit the cycle.
Now, I didn’t use any AI because the dosage of Test I was running is considered to be very low. But listening to you videos I think this were some estrogen related symptoms I was experiencing, probably due to strong aromatization of test. Although I’m not an expert by any means, I’m pretty sure of that. I didn’t experience any Gyno symptoms though. Now thank God I did some blood work before AND after the cycle. Of course, my blood work was very good before and my T-Levels normal (I was on the higher side actually). After the cycle everything was in a normal range except for the Testosterone (obviously) and the Estradiol level: Testosterone 49.7 mmol/L / Estradiol 0.19 mmol/L / Free Test 128.4 pmol/L.
I went to see a doctor which is known for being an expert in this field having 25 years of experience and he himself uses performance enhancement drugs. He told me, my receptors were not able to pick up the stuff correctly and pass it over to the organs that needed it, that’s why I was having this strange reaction because too much test was circulating in the blood and the body didn’t know how to use it properly, whatever...
To be honest, I personally don’t believe that because Test is not a foreign substance to the body, even if introduced endogenously. That’s why I’m asking you for an opinion. I’m not expecting a “remote-diagnosis” by any means, but if you could give me your honest opinion or any suggestion, that would be of great help to me and much much appreciated, since I value your opinion very highly!
I’m planning to start my second cycle and add some Aromasin to it, just to see how things go. If this cycle goes well and PCT is completed successfully (Clomid and Tamoxifen) I would love to stack some Test with T-Bol or Primo.
Now this doc told me to start my next cycle with an oral only like t-bol or winstrol or even an injectable like Primo only to see how things go. Since I heard you and I know how you think about running stuff without test, I’m not willing to do that. Given the particular circumstances I could try but…I don’t really feel good about it. I don’t want any suppressions symptoms to occur, I already had a bad experience just with Test and I would like to avoid having a bad one again at all costs!
Any thought/suggestion/help from THE expert would be much appreciated!
I just wanted to thank you first of all for the great content you are putting online every day! This is clearly made with much passion and dedication, which is really felt and much appreciated!
That being said, I have a problem and really hope you can help me out with this.
I'm 33 years old, 185 cm and actually 95 Kg and about 18% BF. I've been training for the past 4 years. Last year I had a surgery to my right knee so I could not work out for about 6 months, that’s why my BF went up. I was at about 11% BF before surgery.
Last December I decided to start my first Test E cycle and was expecting some strength gain/increase. (Actually, I weighed 90 kg when I started the cycle and about 17% BF). My plan was to put on some muscles and at the same time burn BF to achieve my 11% or do even better than that. Unfortunately, what happened was the opposite! I started to feel very weak and lethargic and at some point (30-60min after injecting) I had some flu-like symptoms and a light fever started to develop, which manifested 6-8 hrs after injecting and lasted for about 2 to 4 hrs. I was also very bloated and started to gain water weight like crazy. After one week on Test E I gained about 6 kg! I know for sure this were not muscles, but the major part of it water, because I could literally feel it in my fingers and feet (horrible feeling). My RHR was about 85 bpm and I felt like shit! Obviously, I was no more able to train normally for a couple of days.
Now, being new to this stuff I didn’t know how to react or what to do. My buddy didn’t know what to do either because this shit was something he never experienced before. So, I decided to switch over to Test P (250mg/Week, Injecting 2x per Week 125 mg). Thanks to the shorter ester, I finally got rid of the extreme water retention and could train again having less fever-like symptoms. Although the PIP was even greater with Test P, I kept on training and injecting for 6 Weeks hoping I would benefit at some point of all the known benefits Test should bring… But no strength increase occurred, I felt weak and lethargic more and more. At this point I switched Test brand thinking it was maybe the oil..The symptoms were not that bad anymore with the new brand, I still did hold water and my RHR was pretty high, but I didn’t get the fever and the PIP was bearable.
BUT at some point (after week 6) I had to get up at night, every night about 4-5 times to urinate. Then I started to worry something could be wrong with my prostate.I didn't have any sort of strenght increase either. So, after 7 weeks in, I decided to quit the cycle.
Now, I didn’t use any AI because the dosage of Test I was running is considered to be very low. But listening to you videos I think this were some estrogen related symptoms I was experiencing, probably due to strong aromatization of test. Although I’m not an expert by any means, I’m pretty sure of that. I didn’t experience any Gyno symptoms though. Now thank God I did some blood work before AND after the cycle. Of course, my blood work was very good before and my T-Levels normal (I was on the higher side actually). After the cycle everything was in a normal range except for the Testosterone (obviously) and the Estradiol level: Testosterone 49.7 mmol/L / Estradiol 0.19 mmol/L / Free Test 128.4 pmol/L.
I went to see a doctor which is known for being an expert in this field having 25 years of experience and he himself uses performance enhancement drugs. He told me, my receptors were not able to pick up the stuff correctly and pass it over to the organs that needed it, that’s why I was having this strange reaction because too much test was circulating in the blood and the body didn’t know how to use it properly, whatever...
To be honest, I personally don’t believe that because Test is not a foreign substance to the body, even if introduced endogenously. That’s why I’m asking you for an opinion. I’m not expecting a “remote-diagnosis” by any means, but if you could give me your honest opinion or any suggestion, that would be of great help to me and much much appreciated, since I value your opinion very highly!
I’m planning to start my second cycle and add some Aromasin to it, just to see how things go. If this cycle goes well and PCT is completed successfully (Clomid and Tamoxifen) I would love to stack some Test with T-Bol or Primo.
Now this doc told me to start my next cycle with an oral only like t-bol or winstrol or even an injectable like Primo only to see how things go. Since I heard you and I know how you think about running stuff without test, I’m not willing to do that. Given the particular circumstances I could try but…I don’t really feel good about it. I don’t want any suppressions symptoms to occur, I already had a bad experience just with Test and I would like to avoid having a bad one again at all costs!
Any thought/suggestion/help from THE expert would be much appreciated!
