More difficult to recover if Test included ?

[jlaix0]

There are some people that i know that have used only winstroll cycle or tbol cycle, with a PERFECT FULL PCT, and have had great gains, with no bloating, no gyno, no lost sex drive, keeping banging hot girls, and got back normal test levels after their full pct (proof with blood tests)

Maybe they were completly suppress during their cycle, but their dick worked perfectly, and their mood was on top, at the gym and in their life.

Now I do know that test MUST be included in every AAS cycle.

My question was just: is it harder to get back to normal test level after a full correct PCT when test is included in a AAS cycle ? Or it is the same to come back to normal levels, when a perfect pct is used, with test or without test ?

Does the body become more lazy to reproduce test when a huge level of test is introduced into the body during 12 months ?

 

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[jlaix0]

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[Montgomery]

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[jp1957]

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thats sarcasm....

 

[DylanGemelli]

There are some people that i know that have used only winstroll cycle or tbol cycle, with a PERFECT FULL PCT, and have had great gains, with no bloating, no gyno, no lost sex drive, keeping banging hot girls, and got back normal test levels after their full pct (proof with blood tests)

Maybe they were completly suppress during their cycle, but their dick worked perfectly, and their mood was on top, at the gym and in their life.

Now I do know that test MUST be included in every AAS cycle.

My question was just: is it harder to get back to normal test level after a full correct PCT when test is included in a AAS cycle ? Or it is the same to come back to normal levels, when a perfect pct is used, with test or without test ?

Does the body become more lazy to reproduce test when a huge level of test is introduced into the body during 12 months ?

with this scenario, your recovery wont be any more difficult with test involved... as long as your have proper supports and the right pct, you have no concern.. here is the link and layout for the pct stack... https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack?sort=p.price&order=DESC


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mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[RickRock]

There are some people that i know that have used only winstroll cycle or tbol cycle, with a PERFECT FULL PCT, and have had great gains, with no bloating, no gyno, no lost sex drive, keeping banging hot girls, and got back normal test levels after their full pct (proof with blood tests)

Maybe they were completly suppress during their cycle, but their dick worked perfectly, and their mood was on top, at the gym and in their life.

Now I do know that test MUST be included in every AAS cycle.

My question was just: is it harder to get back to normal test level after a full correct PCT when test is included in a AAS cycle ? Or it is the same to come back to normal levels, when a perfect pct is used, with test or without test ?

Does the body become more lazy to reproduce test when a huge level of test is introduced into the body during 12 months ?

When you are shutdown you are shutdown....period. Adding test doesn't make you any more shutdown considering you already aren't producing test. The one factor is the longer you are in the harder recovery becomes, so that's where the issue lies. Any oral only cycle is a terrible Ida that I don't recommend in any way

 

[chelades]

There's no maybe about it. They were shut down. Period.

It's harder to recover without test, as you haven't kept that hormonal axis somewhat functioning. What I mean is, testosterone converts to E2 and DHT for example. If you remove testosterone, those other axis drop as well. And you NEED those other axis. Any time spent with many axis components shut down is potentially long term damage time.

I get what you're asking. "Why didn't these people have problems without using test?"

It's basically just dumb luck, or they happen to have strong hormonal functioning that can bounce back well, or they respond well to a particular compound. Beyond foolish in any case.

By using compounds that have a similar anabolic /andorgenic ratio, and with sheer dumb luck, they effectively swap DHT and Test for (something like) Stanozolol, which then becomes their primary sex hormone acting on the AR's (depending on the compound's ability) somewhat in the same way as their natural hormones would have. Some of these compounds (like say, Anavar) remember were designed as hormone replacements. So you're basically going out of your way to try and shut down your own hormones and replace them with something else in this instance. Not ideal when your intention is eventually trying to bring your own hormones back.

Short answer is

Test = good.

No test = Foolish and potentially harder to recover, more significant risk of permanent endocrine system damage.

 

[RickRock]

There's no maybe about it. They were shut down. Period.

It's harder to recover without test, as you haven't kept that hormonal axis somewhat functioning. What I mean is, testosterone converts to E2 and DHT for example. If you remove testosterone, those other axis drop as well. And you NEED those other axis. Any time spent with many axis components shut down is potentially long term damage time.

I get what you're asking. "Why didn't these people have problems without using test?"

It's basically just dumb luck, or they happen to have strong hormonal functioning that can bounce back well, or they respond well to a particular compound. Beyond foolish in any case.

By using compounds that have a similar anabolic /andorgenic ratio, and with sheer dumb luck, they effectively swap DHT and Test for (something like) Stanozolol, which then becomes their primary sex hormone acting on the AR's (depending on the compound's ability) somewhat in the same way as their natural hormones would have. Some of these compounds (like say, Anavar) remember were designed as hormone replacements. So you're basically going out of your way to try and shut down your own hormones and replace them with something else in this instance. Not ideal when your intention is eventually trying to bring your own hormones back.

Short answer is

Test = good.

No test = Foolish and potentially harder to recover, more significant risk of permanent endocrine system damage.

Excellent post brother!

 

[DylanGemelli]

There's no maybe about it. They were shut down. Period.

It's harder to recover without test, as you haven't kept that hormonal axis somewhat functioning. What I mean is, testosterone converts to E2 and DHT for example. If you remove testosterone, those other axis drop as well. And you NEED those other axis. Any time spent with many axis components shut down is potentially long term damage time.

I get what you're asking. "Why didn't these people have problems without using test?"

It's basically just dumb luck, or they happen to have strong hormonal functioning that can bounce back well, or they respond well to a particular compound. Beyond foolish in any case.

By using compounds that have a similar anabolic /andorgenic ratio, and with sheer dumb luck, they effectively swap DHT and Test for (something like) Stanozolol, which then becomes their primary sex hormone acting on the AR's (depending on the compound's ability) somewhat in the same way as their natural hormones would have. Some of these compounds (like say, Anavar) remember were designed as hormone replacements. So you're basically going out of your way to try and shut down your own hormones and replace them with something else in this instance. Not ideal when your intention is eventually trying to bring your own hormones back.

Short answer is

Test = good.

No test = Foolish and potentially harder to recover, more significant risk of permanent endocrine system damage.

dropping serious knowledge... perfect post bro

 

[MaxxPursuit]

There's no maybe about it. They were shut down. Period.

It's harder to recover without test, as you haven't kept that hormonal axis somewhat functioning. What I mean is, testosterone converts to E2 and DHT for example. If you remove testosterone, those other axis drop as well. And you NEED those other axis. Any time spent with many axis components shut down is potentially long term damage time.

I get what you're asking. "Why didn't these people have problems without using test?"

It's basically just dumb luck, or they happen to have strong hormonal functioning that can bounce back well, or they respond well to a particular compound. Beyond foolish in any case.

By using compounds that have a similar anabolic /andorgenic ratio, and with sheer dumb luck, they effectively swap DHT and Test for (something like) Stanozolol, which then becomes their primary sex hormone acting on the AR's (depending on the compound's ability) somewhat in the same way as their natural hormones would have. Some of these compounds (like say, Anavar) remember were designed as hormone replacements. So you're basically going out of your way to try and shut down your own hormones and replace them with something else in this instance. Not ideal when your intention is eventually trying to bring your own hormones back.

Short answer is

Test = good.

No test = Foolish and potentially harder to recover, more significant risk of permanent endocrine system damage.

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[jlaix0]

Thank you very much guys for your answers ! It helps a lot to have a clearer vision

 

[EZ_E]

There's no maybe about it. They were shut down. Period.

It's harder to recover without test, as you haven't kept that hormonal axis somewhat functioning. What I mean is, testosterone converts to E2 and DHT for example. If you remove testosterone, those other axis drop as well. And you NEED those other axis. Any time spent with many axis components shut down is potentially long term damage time.

I get what you're asking. "Why didn't these people have problems without using test?"

It's basically just dumb luck, or they happen to have strong hormonal functioning that can bounce back well, or they respond well to a particular compound. Beyond foolish in any case.

By using compounds that have a similar anabolic /andorgenic ratio, and with sheer dumb luck, they effectively swap DHT and Test for (something like) Stanozolol, which then becomes their primary sex hormone acting on the AR's (depending on the compound's ability) somewhat in the same way as their natural hormones would have. Some of these compounds (like say, Anavar) remember were designed as hormone replacements. So you're basically going out of your way to try and shut down your own hormones and replace them with something else in this instance. Not ideal when your intention is eventually trying to bring your own hormones back.

Short answer is

Test = good.

No test = Foolish and potentially harder to recover, more significant risk of permanent endocrine system damage.

Well said.