Low dose T and deca

[isoposo]

Hi Dylan

Thanks for your videos i watched a lot of them already

I am also pro for lower doses and not this massive ones with high sides

I am in a week 45 years old
Been training hard now for 2 and half years
I do however are on T cyp for about the same time, bit longer in low dowe as a real doctor prescribed low T
I only us about 140 mg a week, so not high at all even that made a good change and gains
I did a T deca cycle before more than year ago and want to do one again
For slower results and even less worries n sides i want to do
T cyp 220mg a week and deva only about 120mg a week
For 12 weeks
I ran it prviously at 400 T and 200 deca but went of to nirmal low T dose due to high blood pressure
This was my own mistake as u disnt use any anti estrogen
I was think of even with the low 220/ 120 dose to masteron as anti estrogen for the properties it has to fight aromatase and get the other benefits from it as well
Will 200mg mastern be ok just for that purpose or rather use arimidx at 0,5 eod
Even on the other high dose i disnt have estrogen sides apart from blood pres which i think was caused by the estrogen
I am just scard arimidex take my estrogen too low or cant it

I am 1,68meters and 98kg at moment, bit of fat arumd belly but inside chest well cut etc
But i will do cutting aftr this cycle to get belly diwn a bit
Deca is said to lower natural T levels, if that is low(mine was free T at 200) does it lower that more like if going off or does it also hinder the injected T to be less "used" meaning if deca lowers also injected T availability

Just your opinion?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi Dylan

Thanks for your videos i watched a lot of them already

I am also pro for lower doses and not this massive ones with high sides

I am in a week 45 years old
Been training hard now for 2 and half years
I do however are on T cyp for about the same time, bit longer in low dowe as a real doctor prescribed low T
I only us about 140 mg a week, so not high at all even that made a good change and gains
I did a T deca cycle before more than year ago and want to do one again
For slower results and even less worries n sides i want to do
T cyp 220mg a week and deva only about 120mg a week
For 12 weeks
I ran it prviously at 400 T and 200 deca but went of to nirmal low T dose due to high blood pressure
This was my own mistake as u disnt use any anti estrogen
I was think of even with the low 220/ 120 dose to masteron as anti estrogen for the properties it has to fight aromatase and get the other benefits from it as well
Will 200mg mastern be ok just for that purpose or rather use arimidx at 0,5 eod
Even on the other high dose i disnt have estrogen sides apart from blood pres which i think was caused by the estrogen
I am just scard arimidex take my estrogen too low or cant it

I am 1,68meters and 98kg at moment, bit of fat arumd belly but inside chest well cut etc
But i will do cutting aftr this cycle to get belly diwn a bit
Deca is said to lower natural T levels, if that is low(mine was free T at 200) does it lower that more like if going off or does it also hinder the injected T to be less "used" meaning if deca lowers also injected T availability

Just your opinion?

what is your body fat ? age/height/weight? this is very important information pertinent to proper advice... i can tell you right now, just you saying you have fat around your midsection etc. there is no way im recommending deca if your body fat is too high... you would not be using any sort of steroid except your trt... your going to really hurt yourself... judging by your numbers posted, im guessing your body fat is on the higher end but you tell me what you think it is... i really dont see the point in running a blast like this to be honest... the way your running it is damn near a cruise anyway... what exactly is it that you want to get from a cycle? im just not seeing it here...

 

[EZ_E]

Bro, it's very hard to help you if you don't use spell checker....

You need to post your COMPLETE stats;

Age
Height
Weight
Body fat %
Years of training
Complete cycle history (compounds, doses, lengths of time, when they were run)
PCT for each cycle
Goals
Supplements (if any)
General idea of nutrition (any food allergies???)
Any other relevant info (injuries, surgeries you've had, etc.)

 

[RickRock]

Hi Dylan

Thanks for your videos i watched a lot of them already

I am also pro for lower doses and not this massive ones with high sides

I am in a week 45 years old
Been training hard now for 2 and half years
I do however are on T cyp for about the same time, bit longer in low dowe as a real doctor prescribed low T
I only us about 140 mg a week, so not high at all even that made a good change and gains
I did a T deca cycle before more than year ago and want to do one again
For slower results and even less worries n sides i want to do
T cyp 220mg a week and deva only about 120mg a week
For 12 weeks
I ran it prviously at 400 T and 200 deca but went of to nirmal low T dose due to high blood pressure
This was my own mistake as u disnt use any anti estrogen
I was think of even with the low 220/ 120 dose to masteron as anti estrogen for the properties it has to fight aromatase and get the other benefits from it as well
Will 200mg mastern be ok just for that purpose or rather use arimidx at 0,5 eod
Even on the other high dose i disnt have estrogen sides apart from blood pres which i think was caused by the estrogen
I am just scard arimidex take my estrogen too low or cant it

I am 1,68meters and 98kg at moment, bit of fat arumd belly but inside chest well cut etc
But i will do cutting aftr this cycle to get belly diwn a bit
Deca is said to lower natural T levels, if that is low(mine was free T at 200) does it lower that more like if going off or does it also hinder the injected T to be less "used" meaning if deca lowers also injected T availability

Just your opinion?

We need your full stats, including your bodyfat level to really advise you. It sounds like you may have an elevated bodyfat above a level safe for steroids right now. You don't ever use Masteron solely for an AI. All steroids will lower your natural test production.mit doesn't matter if it's test, Deca, or some other compound. They all shut you down

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Well cant advise cycle without stats .but a point I want too make is about using DHT steroids too control estrogen. No this all started back in the 70s and 80s there wasnt any knowladge of aromatase inhibitors and mast proviron winstrol all have no conversion and bind too SHBG so free test is higher and less aromatizing is happening . it helps but in a TINY way aromatase inhibitors are 1000 times more effective at estrogen control they just werent available then . but just cause they had too use horse in buggy in the 1800s doesnt mean you should park your car and go that route times have change get an AI.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Well cant advise cycle without stats .but a point I want too make is about using DHT steroids too control estrogen. No this all started back in the 70s and 80s there wasnt any knowladge of aromatase inhibitors and mast proviron winstrol all have no conversion and bind too SHBG so free test is higher and less aromatizing is happening . it helps but in a TINY way aromatase inhibitors are 1000 times more effective at estrogen control they just werent available then . but just cause they had too use horse in buggy in the 1800s doesnt mean you should park your car and go that route times have change get an AI.

very good points... OP please post your stats

 

[9th Wonder]

Well cant advise cycle without stats .but a point I want too make is about using DHT steroids too control estrogen. No this all started back in the 70s and 80s there wasnt any knowladge of aromatase inhibitors and mast proviron winstrol all have no conversion and bind too SHBG so free test is higher and less aromatizing is happening . it helps but in a TINY way aromatase inhibitors are 1000 times more effective at estrogen control they just werent available then . but just cause they had too use horse in buggy in the 1800s doesnt mean you should park your car and go that route times have change get an AI.

I always dig your posts bro. Good shit

 

[isoposo]

Ok
So on low doses if T and deca estrogen wont go too low when using arimidex at 0,5mg eod?
My stats
45 years old, male
1,69 meters
Fat approx 18%
Arms 18"
Chest 45"
Stomach 38
Calves approx 18
Thighs nearly 26"
Training hard for 2 years 7 months
On doctor prescribed low T at 100 to 140mg tcyp a week but did use more to have my free T at approx 900 to 1000
I then had really good gains slow but it stay
Did a short cycle of T and deca before and got water retention due to my own fault of not using an AI water and bloating
I eat smaller meals often and as clean as possible to still have 220 to 250 gram protein a day, some include shakes with lower carbs than protein
High protein low carb in morning then higher carb lower protein in day then again high protein later and after training
Also use creatine 5g a day and herbals vitamins etc zma omega 3

 

[RickRock]

Ok
So on low doses if T and deca estrogen wont go too low when using arimidex at 0,5mg eod?
My stats
45 years old, male
1,69 meters
Fat approx 18%
Arms 18"
Chest 45"
Stomach 38
Calves approx 18
Thighs nearly 26"
Training hard for 2 years 7 months
On doctor prescribed low T at 100 to 140mg tcyp a week but did use more to have my free T at approx 900 to 1000
I then had really good gains slow but it stay
Did a short cycle of T and deca before and got water retention due to my own fault of not using an AI water and bloating
I eat smaller meals often and as clean as possible to still have 220 to 250 gram protein a day, some include shakes with lower carbs than protein
High protein low carb in morning then higher carb lower protein in day then again high protein later and after training
Also use creatine 5g a day and herbals vitamins etc zma omega 3

You shouldn't have any problems dipping estrogen too low on that dose, but the only way to know for sure is through bloodwork.....then you can adjust as necessary

 

[RickRock]

Ok
So on low doses if T and deca estrogen wont go too low when using arimidex at 0,5mg eod?
My stats
45 years old, male
1,69 meters
Fat approx 18%
Arms 18"
Chest 45"
Stomach 38
Calves approx 18
Thighs nearly 26"
Training hard for 2 years 7 months
On doctor prescribed low T at 100 to 140mg tcyp a week but did use more to have my free T at approx 900 to 1000
I then had really good gains slow but it stay
Did a short cycle of T and deca before and got water retention due to my own fault of not using an AI water and bloating
I eat smaller meals often and as clean as possible to still have 220 to 250 gram protein a day, some include shakes with lower carbs than protein
High protein low carb in morning then higher carb lower protein in day then again high protein later and after training
Also use creatine 5g a day and herbals vitamins etc zma omega 3

You shouldn't have any problems dipping estrogen too low on that dose, but the only way to know for sure is through bloodwork.....then you can adjust as necessary

 

[isoposo]

Thanks
That was my thought
Had estrogen tested once when i was on 200mg T a week with no anti estrogen to check and was higher range but in relation to T fine
The problem is to get estrogen tested
We moved to othercountry and here not easy
Where i was it wasnt a problem
Suppose i will get a way to do it
Thanks for the info

 

[isoposo]

I have a other question on detail of deca eq etc
All steroids do raise red blood cell count in some way some a bit and some a lot
Which raises it the most
From my info it looks like from most rasing red blood cells to least
Equipose
Testosterone
Deca
Then the rest
Which taises it the least
Anavar?

 

[EZ_E]

You're on the right track but eating clean "when possible" isn't going to work, you have to eat clean 110% of the time............in addition to that; you really need to be training longer and your body fat is too high with your height to be using anything other than you TRT dose.

 

[RickRock]

I have a other question on detail of deca eq etc
All steroids do raise red blood cell count in some way some a bit and some a lot
Which raises it the most
From my info it looks like from most rasing red blood cells to least
Equipose
Testosterone
Deca
Then the rest
Which taises it the least
Anavar?

EQ raises it more than anything, but I wouldn't put a lot of worry into what raises it more than others. Anybody that cycles should be giving blood on a regular basis anyways in my opinion, and that keeps RBC in check no matter what you run

 

[DylanGemelli]

Well cant advise cycle without stats .but a point I want too make is about using DHT steroids too control estrogen. No this all started back in the 70s and 80s there wasnt any knowladge of aromatase inhibitors and mast proviron winstrol all have no conversion and bind too SHBG so free test is higher and less aromatizing is happening . it helps but in a TINY way aromatase inhibitors are 1000 times more effective at estrogen control they just werent available then . but just cause they had too use horse in buggy in the 1800s doesnt mean you should park your car and go that route times have change get an AI.

spot on brother and as usual, very insightful AND I DO NOTICE your using periods now too! your shit is too damn good to not punctuate a bit and only to help others understand more...

i COMPLETELY agree... i see time and time again people thinking other steroids can replace an AI... some of these, like mast, proviron, winstrol have "AI PROPERTIES" but in NO WAY are they any kind of substitute for a true AI... "properties" are great in terms of extra support and more assurance on cycle but using as an actual AI is a huge mistake...

 

[DylanGemelli]

I have a other question on detail of deca eq etc
All steroids do raise red blood cell count in some way some a bit and some a lot
Which raises it the most
From my info it looks like from most rasing red blood cells to least
Equipose
Testosterone
Deca
Then the rest
Which taises it the least
Anavar?

bro you should nt be concerned with any of this right now because your body fat is far too high to be dong any steroids aside from your doctor prescribed trt... eating clean "when you can" and only training 2 years is NOWHERE NEAR where you need to be for steroid use... if you can't control your eating and you cant get your body fat down then you cannot run steroids, period, not to mention you have not put in anywhere near the amount of gym time either.. since your in your 40's, you wont need as much time in there as if you were still developing but you can do far more or at the least, get in the proper condition... your going to learn the hard way if you run steroids with an elevated body fat...

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Yeah Im usually typing on my phone in between sets

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[DylanGemelli]

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its all good bro.. the content is always strong and thats whats important

 

[EZ_E]

spot on brother and as usual, very insightful AND I DO NOTICE your using periods now too! your shit is too damn good to not punctuate a bit and only to help others understand more...

Bump this...Mod material here.

 

[Taurus]

spot on brother and as usual, very insightful AND I DO NOTICE your using periods now too! your shit is too damn good to not punctuate a bit and only to help others understand more...

Bump this...Mod material here.

I agree. He is always in here helping out and gives good, solid advice. GymJunkie would make a great mod.