Liver tox from orals

[drb_iac]

I talked to my hepatologist about orals. He is the leading liver transplant doc in the southeast. I told him to give it to me straight and boy was I surprized. He quoted a few studies from aids patients taking a whopping 150mg drol for 30 weeks with no elevated liver enzymes. He said the number one reason for liver transplants is alcohol at 1 liter per day for years. Then he said if you take 3 extra strength tylenols 4 times per day you could be dead in 10 days. He said if you are worried about your liver then dont drink and then cure your hangover with tylenol.
I did not mention bol, because I knew that it was never a prescription drug. But I think I have my answer as to exactly how bad orals are.
He said to read up on a book called Medibolics. I did look at medibolics.com and they did have a few studies on drol. To my surprize they are getting good results on aids patients who are wasting. Seems they are using various steroids.
He told me when halfway through my cycle to come get liver panels done and then again when I am done. Is that cool or what? At 65, old school is going to do an oral cycle, and Medicare pays for the testing..lol. It has been in 10 years! But again..I do want to thank the guys that responded to my concerns.
My cycle will be old school for sure..40mg bol/day, then 250 sus, 200cyp, 200 deca, 200 eq.If that don't put the 15 lbs I lost back on then I will cry!! Lol.
Goal is 6'2 and 215lbs. While on cycle I am going to go back to my old routine of 8 sets of 8. It will only be squats, deads, bent bar rows, preacher curls, and kambered bar curls, benches, incline presses, weighted dips, and chins. I will beat this getting old BS. Lets go find the fountain of youth!!

Now if someone would like to tell me about peptides, sarms, etc...I am ready to listen.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I talked to my hepatologist about orals. He is the leading liver transplant doc in the southeast. I told him to give it to me straight and boy was I surprized. He quoted a few studies from aids patients taking a whopping 150mg drol for 30 weeks with no elevated liver enzymes. He said the number one reason for liver transplants is alcohol at 1 liter per day for years. Then he said if you take 3 extra strength tylenols 4 times per day you could be dead in 10 days. He said if you are worried about your liver then dont drink and then cure your hangover with tylenol.
I did not mention bol, because I knew that it was never a prescription drug. But I think I have my answer as to exactly how bad orals are.
He said to read up on a book called Medibolics. I did look at medibolics.com and they did have a few studies on drol. To my surprize they are getting good results on aids patients who are wasting. Seems they are using various steroids.
He told me when halfway through my cycle to come get liver panels done and then again when I am done. Is that cool or what? At 65, old school is going to do an oral cycle, and Medicare pays for the testing..lol. It has been in 10 years! But again..I do want to thank the guys that responded to my concerns.
My cycle will be old school for sure..40mg bol/day, then 250 sus, 200cyp, 200 deca, 200 eq.If that don't put the 15 lbs I lost back on then I will cry!! Lol.
Goal is 6'2 and 215lbs. While on cycle I am going to go back to my old routine of 8 sets of 8. It will only be squats, deads, bent bar rows, preacher curls, and kambered bar curls, benches, incline presses, weighted dips, and chins. I will beat this getting old BS. Lets go find the fountain of youth!!

Now if someone would like to tell me about peptides, sarms, etc...I am ready to listen.

hey brother... nice post... well , what i can tell you is that if you attempt to run drol without any sort of protection your probably going to learn the hard way and i would hate to see that to a good person but if you want to put that theory to test, go for it... its nothing i condone nor recommend but who knows, maybe you may be in a different class where it has no ill effect on you... just keep an eye on things, ESPECIALLY your blood pressure...

so, for your cycle, you could really enhance this a lot with some sarm additions... GW-501516 and eq are like peanut butter and jelly... my main concern here is your eq dosing... its extremely low and im also not seeing the point on cyp and sust both... i also don't really see the need nor point of deca in here whatsoever... i guess i am hoping for you to elaborate on your thinking with this cycle in general so i can add and correct as needed...

 

[RickRock]

I talked to my hepatologist about orals. He is the leading liver transplant doc in the southeast. I told him to give it to me straight and boy was I surprized. He quoted a few studies from aids patients taking a whopping 150mg drol for 30 weeks with no elevated liver enzymes. He said the number one reason for liver transplants is alcohol at 1 liter per day for years. Then he said if you take 3 extra strength tylenols 4 times per day you could be dead in 10 days. He said if you are worried about your liver then dont drink and then cure your hangover with tylenol.
I did not mention bol, because I knew that it was never a prescription drug. But I think I have my answer as to exactly how bad orals are.
He said to read up on a book called Medibolics. I did look at medibolics.com and they did have a few studies on drol. To my surprize they are getting good results on aids patients who are wasting. Seems they are using various steroids.
He told me when halfway through my cycle to come get liver panels done and then again when I am done. Is that cool or what? At 65, old school is going to do an oral cycle, and Medicare pays for the testing..lol. It has been in 10 years! But again..I do want to thank the guys that responded to my concerns.
My cycle will be old school for sure..40mg bol/day, then 250 sus, 200cyp, 200 deca, 200 eq.If that don't put the 15 lbs I lost back on then I will cry!! Lol.
Goal is 6'2 and 215lbs. While on cycle I am going to go back to my old routine of 8 sets of 8. It will only be squats, deads, bent bar rows, preacher curls, and kambered bar curls, benches, incline presses, weighted dips, and chins. I will beat this getting old BS. Lets go find the fountain of youth!!

Now if someone would like to tell me about peptides, sarms, etc...I am ready to listen.

Im sure a lot of the toxicity stuff does get blown out of proportion from time to time, but i would still not push the envelope with orals. How long were you planning on running the Dbol? I wouldnt go over 6 weeks personally

I dont have experience with peptides (yet), but im learning about them and pretty excited to try them myself. I have some nice stuff from peptides warehouse already

As for sarms, there are a number of them, and for your goal of adding muscle back on, LGD is going to be the best for that. It is the most anabolic sarm, and it also has some very nice healing properties as well. Its best around 10mg per day, and is not liver toxic so you can run it 8-12 weeks no problem. Our sponsor pure essence has it here http://pureessencesarms.com/shop/lgd-4033/

 

[drb_iac]

D.G.-Thanks for your concern for this old boy, but I only used Drol as a talking point to my hepatologist, since I knew drol was script and bol was not. Drol is on my list to never do again. It gives me belly aches and general malise, where as bol gives me well being. As for the eq, I have tried it many ways, but I can answer your questions with the questions I have for myself. I know the science..I am a doctor..my patients are large animals but I still took organic and biochemistry, as well as pharmacology. The science does not always go along with my experience. I have done well over 50 cycles in my life and I kept meticulous notes , minutiae, and thoughts in a diary. First is a stack. A stack is not a mishmash of roids thrown together..it has to be 1+1=3 to be a stack! My first discovery of a stack was 40 years ago. It was 200 deca + 200 cyp is greater than 400 of either by itself and on their own. So 200 + 200 was greater than 400! I also like 400/400, but 600 of each or both I do not like. I found EQ to be a compliment to my deca. I am a deca/tes/bol student! So I found eq to be a weaker version of deca, and I just did not think much of it. I like eq at 200-400, but no more. So my limit on deca is 400 and on eq 400. If I add 200eq to 400deca then I have another stack. I now have 2 stacks. My limit on cyp is 400, but if I add 250 from sus then I have stack number three. That is how I came upon my cycles. With notes and a diary on everything I did, and how I felt. I can say that I never ever had any sides except for a zit or two. My sides were from drol and tren. If I were to use tren now it would be 40-50mg three days per week..not EOD and only for 4 -6 weeks max. I have drol, wimpy winny primo, anavar etc in the trash bin for various reasons. Wimpy is 17 alpha whether it is a tablet, a suspension or in oil. So I am not banging my liver for a wimpy return. Remember these are just my own notes and only for me. I offer what I know but I do not know what is right for anyone else. So here is my basic cycle-400/400 deca/cyp for 12 weeks. Kickstart with 30mg bol for 4 weeks. At 4 weeks I get liver panels done and then based on those results I move forward. If I am feeling young and strong then I may add the eq and sus. I can get primo but my experince with it was kind of limited. I was done with a 12 week cycle and tried primo instead of tren for a cut. When I cut it is nothing but eggs, tuna, and lettuce. With primo I found it to be good on its own but it took nearly 600mgs to work. At the time it came out it was 100mg/ml and the thinking was add the 100mg to your cycle. That did nothing. So yes at 600mg for 16 weeks it is fine, and if someone wants to bring me a truckload of it for free then I will do it.
When I start this next cycle I will be 66 years old and not touched bol in 10 years.Ten years ago I had hep A and was in the hospital for 11 days. A sick liver is slow slow death
Sorry to be so long winded but as you can guess don't have anyone to talk in this country town about these issues, so I take it out on you!!

Now for sarms, if you can tell me what to get, and when to use as well as what to cut on, I will try whatever you guys suggest...at least once..lol
Thanks for being here with me my young bros!

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Liver tox from orals

D.G.-Thanks for your concern for this old boy, but I only used Drol as a talking point to my hepatologist, since I knew drol was script and bol was not. Drol is on my list to never do again. It gives me belly aches and general malise, where as bol gives me well being. As for the eq, I have tried it many ways, but I can answer your questions with the questions I have for myself. I know the science..I am a doctor..my patients are large animals but I still took organic and biochemistry, as well as pharmacology. The science does not always go along with my experience. I have done well over 50 cycles in my life and I kept meticulous notes , minutiae, and thoughts in a diary. First is a stack. A stack is not a mishmash of roids thrown together..it has to be 1+1=3 to be a stack! My first discovery of a stack was 40 years ago. It was 200 deca + 200 cyp is greater than 400 of either by itself and on their own. So 200 + 200 was greater than 400! I also like 400/400, but 600 of each or both I do not like. I found EQ to be a compliment to my deca. I am a deca/tes/bol student! So I found eq to be a weaker version of deca, and I just did not think much of it. I like eq at 200-400, but no more. So my limit on deca is 400 and on eq 400. If I add 200eq to 400deca then I have another stack. I now have 2 stacks. My limit on cyp is 400, but if I add 250 from sus then I have stack number three. That is how I came upon my cycles. With notes and a diary on everything I did, and how I felt. I can say that I never ever had any sides except for a zit or two. My sides were from drol and tren. If I were to use tren now it would be 40-50mg three days per week..not EOD and only for 4 -6 weeks max. I have drol, wimpy winny primo, anavar etc in the trash bin for various reasons. Wimpy is 17 alpha whether it is a tablet, a suspension or in oil. So I am not banging my liver for a wimpy return. Remember these are just my own notes and only for me. I offer what I know but I do not know what is right for anyone else. So here is my basic cycle-400/400 deca/cyp for 12 weeks. Kickstart with 30mg bol for 4 weeks. At 4 weeks I get liver panels done and then based on those results I move forward. If I am feeling young and strong then I may add the eq and sus. I can get primo but my experince with it was kind of limited. I was done with a 12 week cycle and tried primo instead of tren for a cut. When I cut it is nothing but eggs, tuna, and lettuce. With primo I found it to be good on its own but it took nearly 600mgs to work. At the time it came out it was 100mg/ml and the thinking was add the 100mg to your cycle. That did nothing. So yes at 600mg for 16 weeks it is fine, and if someone wants to bring me a truckload of it for free then I will do it.
When I start this next cycle I will be 66 years old and not touched bol in 10 years.Ten years ago I had hep A and was in the hospital for 11 days. A sick liver is slow slow death
Sorry to be so long winded but as you can guess don't have anyone to talk in this country town about these issues, so I take it out on you!!

Now for sarms, if you can tell me what to get, and when to use as well as what to cut on, I will try whatever you guys suggest...at least once..lol
Thanks for being here with me my young bros!

I really like your approach to conservative dosing on compounds. If more people would do this, there would be a lot less health concerns and better longevity in this lifestyle. It doesn't take a mountain of drugs, or high doses to accomplish great progress

 

[DylanGemelli]

D.G.-Thanks for your concern for this old boy, but I only used Drol as a talking point to my hepatologist, since I knew drol was script and bol was not. Drol is on my list to never do again. It gives me belly aches and general malise, where as bol gives me well being. As for the eq, I have tried it many ways, but I can answer your questions with the questions I have for myself. I know the science..I am a doctor..my patients are large animals but I still took organic and biochemistry, as well as pharmacology. The science does not always go along with my experience. I have done well over 50 cycles in my life and I kept meticulous notes , minutiae, and thoughts in a diary. First is a stack. A stack is not a mishmash of roids thrown together..it has to be 1+1=3 to be a stack! My first discovery of a stack was 40 years ago. It was 200 deca + 200 cyp is greater than 400 of either by itself and on their own. So 200 + 200 was greater than 400! I also like 400/400, but 600 of each or both I do not like. I found EQ to be a compliment to my deca. I am a deca/tes/bol student! So I found eq to be a weaker version of deca, and I just did not think much of it. I like eq at 200-400, but no more. So my limit on deca is 400 and on eq 400. If I add 200eq to 400deca then I have another stack. I now have 2 stacks. My limit on cyp is 400, but if I add 250 from sus then I have stack number three. That is how I came upon my cycles. With notes and a diary on everything I did, and how I felt. I can say that I never ever had any sides except for a zit or two. My sides were from drol and tren. If I were to use tren now it would be 40-50mg three days per week..not EOD and only for 4 -6 weeks max. I have drol, wimpy winny primo, anavar etc in the trash bin for various reasons. Wimpy is 17 alpha whether it is a tablet, a suspension or in oil. So I am not banging my liver for a wimpy return. Remember these are just my own notes and only for me. I offer what I know but I do not know what is right for anyone else. So here is my basic cycle-400/400 deca/cyp for 12 weeks. Kickstart with 30mg bol for 4 weeks. At 4 weeks I get liver panels done and then based on those results I move forward. If I am feeling young and strong then I may add the eq and sus. I can get primo but my experince with it was kind of limited. I was done with a 12 week cycle and tried primo instead of tren for a cut. When I cut it is nothing but eggs, tuna, and lettuce. With primo I found it to be good on its own but it took nearly 600mgs to work. At the time it came out it was 100mg/ml and the thinking was add the 100mg to your cycle. That did nothing. So yes at 600mg for 16 weeks it is fine, and if someone wants to bring me a truckload of it for free then I will do it.
When I start this next cycle I will be 66 years old and not touched bol in 10 years.Ten years ago I had hep A and was in the hospital for 11 days. A sick liver is slow slow death
Sorry to be so long winded but as you can guess don't have anyone to talk in this country town about these issues, so I take it out on you!!

Now for sarms, if you can tell me what to get, and when to use as well as what to cut on, I will try whatever you guys suggest...at least once..lol
Thanks for being here with me my young bros!

I LIKE YOU MAN... I LOVE THE DETAIL and the fact you have put so much time and effort into it and you have a such a grasp on what works for you, how and why, etc... fuck i respect that... A LOT

so for cutting, the best thing for you to roll with is the sarms triple stack... Here is the layout i would go with

1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…

just pm me on this when your ready to rock it...

 

[JM750]

I like this guy too. Very cool in my book. Are you willing to post up any pics of yourself now? I'd like to see what condition you are in at 65. I'm not asking for face shots. But yea, some before and afters will be great!

 

[RickRock]

I like this guy too. Very cool in my book. Are you willing to post up any pics of yourself now? I'd like to see what condition you are in at 65. I'm not asking for face shots. But yea, some before and afters will be great!

I agree man. I would love to see some pics of a dedicated 65 year old. This guy is an awesome addition here, I think it would be very inspiring to many of us.

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Re: RE: Re: Liver tox from orals

D.G.-Thanks for your concern for this old boy, but I only used Drol as a talking point to my hepatologist, since I knew drol was script and bol was not. Drol is on my list to never do again. It gives me belly aches and general malise, where as bol gives me well being. As for the eq, I have tried it many ways, but I can answer your questions with the questions I have for myself. I know the science..I am a doctor..my patients are large animals but I still took organic and biochemistry, as well as pharmacology. The science does not always go along with my experience. I have done well over 50 cycles in my life and I kept meticulous notes , minutiae, and thoughts in a diary. First is a stack. A stack is not a mishmash of roids thrown together..it has to be 1+1=3 to be a stack! My first discovery of a stack was 40 years ago. It was 200 deca + 200 cyp is greater than 400 of either by itself and on their own. So 200 + 200 was greater than 400! I also like 400/400, but 600 of each or both I do not like. I found EQ to be a compliment to my deca. I am a deca/tes/bol student! So I found eq to be a weaker version of deca, and I just did not think much of it. I like eq at 200-400, but no more. So my limit on deca is 400 and on eq 400. If I add 200eq to 400deca then I have another stack. I now have 2 stacks. My limit on cyp is 400, but if I add 250 from sus then I have stack number three. That is how I came upon my cycles. With notes and a diary on everything I did, and how I felt. I can say that I never ever had any sides except for a zit or two. My sides were from drol and tren. If I were to use tren now it would be 40-50mg three days per week..not EOD and only for 4 -6 weeks max. I have drol, wimpy winny primo, anavar etc in the trash bin for various reasons. Wimpy is 17 alpha whether it is a tablet, a suspension or in oil. So I am not banging my liver for a wimpy return. Remember these are just my own notes and only for me. I offer what I know but I do not know what is right for anyone else. So here is my basic cycle-400/400 deca/cyp for 12 weeks. Kickstart with 30mg bol for 4 weeks. At 4 weeks I get liver panels done and then based on those results I move forward. If I am feeling young and strong then I may add the eq and sus. I can get primo but my experince with it was kind of limited. I was done with a 12 week cycle and tried primo instead of tren for a cut. When I cut it is nothing but eggs, tuna, and lettuce. With primo I found it to be good on its own but it took nearly 600mgs to work. At the time it came out it was 100mg/ml and the thinking was add the 100mg to your cycle. That did nothing. So yes at 600mg for 16 weeks it is fine, and if someone wants to bring me a truckload of it for free then I will do it.
When I start this next cycle I will be 66 years old and not touched bol in 10 years.Ten years ago I had hep A and was in the hospital for 11 days. A sick liver is slow slow death
Sorry to be so long winded but as you can guess don't have anyone to talk in this country town about these issues, so I take it out on you!!

Now for sarms, if you can tell me what to get, and when to use as well as what to cut on, I will try whatever you guys suggest...at least once..lol
Thanks for being here with me my young bros!

You sir, are a bad ass. We definitely need someone like you around here. I come from the younger generation, the one that you're referring to, with their absurd dosages and cycles. However, I'm the opposite. I like the way you approach things; keep it simple. You have ran over 50 cycles, you have taken notes on everyone of them, and you have found the key to your own body. You know exactly what works for you. Your experience and knowledge is a true asset here. I'm blown away and inspired by you, keep up the great work!

 

[drb_iac]

Man, I hate to sound so dumb, what does PM me mean? Also I would post some pics from the 60;s up to today but I don't know how.LOL you have to keep in mind that when I graduated from college there was no such thing as a calculator. :?

I worry about the young bros just starting to experiment with gear and then it is 200mg trenA ED....straight out of the shoot at doses a seasoned pro would use. If a little is good then a lot is even more gooder...crazy! The drugs do not substitute for the hard work and the grueling diet.
Whenver I started a cycle with something new I went to the low side...not 1000/1000/200 cyp deca tren. I also made sure that if I was on, then I went to 8 sets of 8 routine and no missing workouts.
Diet was written down to be sure I got the grams of Pro/carb/fat I wanted.
After 8x8 the gear feels non existent!

When something is dangerous then the guys who know better need to scream!

 

[jdcain19]

Man, I hate to sound so dumb, what does PM me mean? Also I would post some pics from the 60;s up to today but I don't know how.LOL you have to keep in mind that when I graduated from college there was no such thing as a calculator. :?

I worry about the young bros just starting to experiment with gear and then it is 200mg trenA ED....straight out of the shoot at doses a seasoned pro would use. If a little is good then a lot is even more gooder...crazy! The drugs do not substitute for the hard work and the grueling diet.
Whenver I started a cycle with something new I went to the low side...not 1000/1000/200 cyp deca tren. I also made sure that if I was on, then I went to 8 sets of 8 routine and no missing workouts.
Diet was written down to be sure I got the grams of Pro/carb/fat I wanted.
After 8x8 the gear feels non existent!

When something is dangerous then the guys who know better need to scream!

Good stuff! PM me means Private Message me. The forum has a private message feature that you can use to communicate privately with someone. I'll send you one so you know what it looks like.

 

[JM750]

To post pics. Look below the box where you writ the text for a post you make
Click on the attachments tab. Then add files

 

[rockmfhudd]

drb_iac,
Good read's man I appreciate your honesty and yes I agree with most of this "microwave" millennial generation. They want it and they want it now. Nothing comes without hard work gear or no gear, just like genetics you either have it or you don't. Keep it up you inspire me to make sure I keep good notes on all my shit as well. I actually read on another thread a port from a guy that was looking at his notes from 1975 and an EQ cycle. That is awesome, I mean I have a pretty good memory, but writing down details is very good to know and I will start right away. Knowing your gear is as important as knowing your body. Although I am new to all of this I am very happy being here and learning. Look forward to working with all of you guys to achieve my goals

Rockhudd

 

[drb_iac]

drb_iac,
Good read's man I appreciate your honesty and yes I agree with most of this "microwave" millennial generation. They want it and they want it now. Nothing comes without hard work gear or no gear, just like genetics you either have it or you don't. Keep it up you inspire me to make sure I keep good notes on all my shit as well. I actually read on another thread a port from a guy that was looking at his notes from 1975 and an EQ cycle. That is awesome, I mean I have a pretty good memory, but writing down details is very good to know and I will start right away. Knowing your gear is as important as knowing your body. Although I am new to all of this I am very happy being here and learning. Look forward to working with all of you guys to achieve my goals

Rockhudd

Yeah dude that was me that posted that. It was on this site. Funny thing is that I do not remember being depreesed. SO KEEPING NOTES is very much worth it. Maybe next cycle I will go for eq, but I am guessing that it was the 1000mgs that depressed me. I have never been depressed and usually love a nice cycle. Latter on found that I really like eq when mixed with deca. So it would be 200-400eq with 200-400 deca with 200 cyp and 200 sus. The good thing is that when you keep notes then it does not matter what someone else says, because the bottom line is that all you really care about is how will it affect you. According to my notes I never did a high eq cycle again. But in my notes when I hit this deca-eq-sus-cyp spot I wrote in my notes...."Fucking eh right..I am crusing on life". And that is what it is all about. There is no other feeling.You got your diet right, you are lifting like a fool and then the great cycle hits. I won't say I like this better than sex...cause wifey is close by...lol..but man this is right up there. When you are young you want everything right away. WRONG approach. Lift for fun first!!

 

[DylanGemelli]

drb_iac,
Good read's man I appreciate your honesty and yes I agree with most of this "microwave" millennial generation. They want it and they want it now. Nothing comes without hard work gear or no gear, just like genetics you either have it or you don't. Keep it up you inspire me to make sure I keep good notes on all my shit as well. I actually read on another thread a port from a guy that was looking at his notes from 1975 and an EQ cycle. That is awesome, I mean I have a pretty good memory, but writing down details is very good to know and I will start right away. Knowing your gear is as important as knowing your body. Although I am new to all of this I am very happy being here and learning. Look forward to working with all of you guys to achieve my goals

Rockhudd

Yeah dude that was me that posted that. It was on this site. Funny thing is that I do not remember being depreesed. SO KEEPING NOTES is very much worth it. Maybe next cycle I will go for eq, but I am guessing that it was the 1000mgs that depressed me. I have never been depressed and usually love a nice cycle. Latter on found that I really like eq when mixed with deca. So it would be 200-400eq with 200-400 deca with 200 cyp and 200 sus. The good thing is that when you keep notes then it does not matter what someone else says, because the bottom line is that all you really care about is how will it affect you. According to my notes I never did a high eq cycle again. But in my notes when I hit this deca-eq-sus-cyp spot I wrote in my notes...."Fucking eh right..I am crusing on life". And that is what it is all about. There is no other feeling.You got your diet right, you are lifting like a fool and then the great cycle hits. I won't say I like this better than sex...cause wifey is close by...lol..but man this is right up there. When you are young you want everything right away. WRONG approach. Lift for fun first!!

its crazy how different people react to things but it's something we see on a daily basis... eq makes me feel extremely good... i've never had the anxiety or hunger from it whatsoever... i run it high as well.. 800 - 1 gram per week and it's only treated me extremely well from the strength, endurance, vasuclarity and clean muscle... some don't see anything from it and some get a few sides as you noted but that could have been multiple reasons... i guess if you try it again and it occurs then you know that is the definite culprit but hopefully you don't see that this time around! did you give blood when you were on it though? it can really raise your red blood cell count quite a bit and you should be donating blood when you use it...

 

[RickRock]

drb_iac,
Good read's man I appreciate your honesty and yes I agree with most of this "microwave" millennial generation. They want it and they want it now. Nothing comes without hard work gear or no gear, just like genetics you either have it or you don't. Keep it up you inspire me to make sure I keep good notes on all my shit as well. I actually read on another thread a port from a guy that was looking at his notes from 1975 and an EQ cycle. That is awesome, I mean I have a pretty good memory, but writing down details is very good to know and I will start right away. Knowing your gear is as important as knowing your body. Although I am new to all of this I am very happy being here and learning. Look forward to working with all of you guys to achieve my goals

Rockhudd

Yeah dude that was me that posted that. It was on this site. Funny thing is that I do not remember being depreesed. SO KEEPING NOTES is very much worth it. Maybe next cycle I will go for eq, but I am guessing that it was the 1000mgs that depressed me. I have never been depressed and usually love a nice cycle. Latter on found that I really like eq when mixed with deca. So it would be 200-400eq with 200-400 deca with 200 cyp and 200 sus. The good thing is that when you keep notes then it does not matter what someone else says, because the bottom line is that all you really care about is how will it affect you. According to my notes I never did a high eq cycle again. But in my notes when I hit this deca-eq-sus-cyp spot I wrote in my notes...."Fucking eh right..I am crusing on life". And that is what it is all about. There is no other feeling.You got your diet right, you are lifting like a fool and then the great cycle hits. I won't say I like this better than sex...cause wifey is close by...lol..but man this is right up there. When you are young you want everything right away. WRONG approach. Lift for fun first!!

That's really the main thing here. Everyone reacts differently to things, so it always is going to come down to you regardless of what anyone else says. It's good to research and learn on what to expect with anything, and just get a good idea of what to expect. However, there is no telling how it will affect you personally, which is why it all comes down to trial and error in this game

 

[rockmfhudd]

It certainly is all about chemistry, how anything reacts with your own body, so hopefully the EQ next time will work out for you. I certainly hope I have no adverse reactions to anything. but with good notes I will know what is the problem child. I watched a youtube video of this douchebag from new Zealand "documentary" that hgh and gear ruined his life. I was so fucking pissed. he admittedly took everything you could think of including cocaine and who knows what else. but of course it had to the the gear that fucked him up. anyway I don't mean to rant but it is such BS. my wife is an RN and she was a little hesitant, but she is on hormone therapy and has fake tits, so I turned the table on her ass, what could she say? haha so she agreed that a "short" responsible cycle may be ok. hahaha little does she know.
It all boils down to responsibility and not rushing into something you don't quite understand, no different than smoking or drinking it all effects people differently you have to know you and your limits and have some sort of fucking common sense, and common sense seems to be a super power these days.

 

[DylanGemelli]

It certainly is all about chemistry, how anything reacts with your own body, so hopefully the EQ next time will work out for you. I certainly hope I have no adverse reactions to anything. but with good notes I will know what is the problem child. I watched a youtube video of this douchebag from new Zealand "documentary" that hgh and gear ruined his life. I was so fucking pissed. he admittedly took everything you could think of including cocaine and who knows what else. but of course it had to the the gear that fucked him up. anyway I don't mean to rant but it is such BS. my wife is an RN and she was a little hesitant, but she is on hormone therapy and has fake tits, so I turned the table on her ass, what could she say? haha so she agreed that a "short" responsible cycle may be ok. hahaha little does she know.
It all boils down to responsibility and not rushing into something you don't quite understand, no different than smoking or drinking it all effects people differently you have to know you and your limits and have some sort of fucking common sense, and common sense seems to be a super power these days.

man i like you! you speak my language BIG TIME... crazy how that works huh... im sure the cocaine had nothing to do with it, im sure it was all steroid use... LOL come the fuck on... its just like all the wrestlers that die early... everyone blames it on steroid use... did you ever take the time to sit back and understand these guys fucking abused pain killers and drugs like crazy!! did it ever occur that THIS was the issue? steroids is always the scape goat for some reason and i can't figure it out.. its like making marijuana illegal all this time when in actuality, the king of culprits are alcohol and tobacco, not marijuana... its all about money etc... misconceptions and finding a scape goat... its ridiculous but its the way things work unfortunately... i completely agree with what your saying here... you hit it on the head when you talk about responsibility and doing things right... very nice post brother!

 

[rockmfhudd]

You know it is about money, however I would rather run Outlaw, cuz when they get their hands on it "govt" it will be all fucked up. regulating potency and frequency etc etc Look what they did w Ephedrine ah so and so died of a heart attack he was only 18, well did fucking Junior take the recommended dose or did he think if a little is good then a lot will be better. like most kids which we have already covered. Like the Hooton guy on Bigger Faster Stronger who's 17 year old committed suicide, He blamed it on steroids and he has ran around for years saying that shit but his son was on Anti depressants, he wasn't lobbying Congress to ban those. Someone needs to slap the equilibrium outta his fucking head.

 

[RickRock]

You know it is about money, however I would rather run Outlaw, cuz when they get their hands on it "govt" it will be all fucked up. regulating potency and frequency etc etc Look what they did w Ephedrine ah so and so died of a heart attack he was only 18, well did fucking Junior take the recommended dose or did he think if a little is good then a lot will be better. like most kids which we have already covered. Like the Hooton guy on Bigger Faster Stronger who's 17 year old committed suicide, He blamed it on steroids and he has ran around for years saying that shit but his son was on Anti depressants, he wasn't lobbying Congress to ban those. Someone needs to slap the equilibrium outta his fucking head.

No matter what, if steroids were used by someone they always get the blame for everything. Nobody ever seems to look at the bigger picture on what the real story is. I also agree that money is really what regulates everything. the FDA could care less about what is actually safe with responsible use. It's all about what generates the most money. Otherwise tobacco and alcohol would be illegal, but those are HUGE moneymakers