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[Carmel cowboy]

OP does have elevated E and low PRL... I let you guys figure out the rest lol

I think this is very interesting and am trying to learn as much as I can on this topic! Normally higher level of estrogen produces higher levels of prolactin. If you can control your estrogen levels you can keep your prolactin in check for the most part with the exception of running a nandrolone at a high dose for that paticular individual then caber is used to help control the possible spike in prolactin. The question I am stumped with is why is his estrogen levels high if his total test level are, for the weekly dose he is taking, is low? Can the deca off set the total test results by causing suppression? I didn't think that was possible if he is taking test at 500mgs. I know that deca is very suppressive to our natural production of testosterone but can it surpress the amount of test from an injection? The only thing I can think of is the test is underdosed and he is very estrogen sensitive and the deca could possibly be under dosed and caber is doing its job. I have used BGS and love their products and had nothing but success with their products. I am just trying to learn as much as I can about blood work and the health of my body while on cycle and off. These questions and my opinion are for learning and nothing more!!

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

I think this is very interesting and am trying to learn as much as I can on this topic! Normally higher level of estrogen produces higher levels of prolactin. If you can control your estrogen levels you can keep your prolactin in check for the most part with the exception of running a nandrolone at a high dose for that paticular individual then caber is used to help control the possible spike in prolactin. The question I am stumped with is why is his estrogen levels high if his total test level are, for the weekly dose he is taking, is low? Can the deca off set the total test results by causing suppression? I didn't think that was possible if he is taking test at 500mgs. I know that deca is very suppressive to our natural production of testosterone but can it surpress the amount of test from an injection? The only thing I can think of is the test is underdosed and he is very estrogen sensitive and the deca could possibly be under dosed and caber is doing its job. I have used BGS and love their products and had nothing but success with their products. I am just trying to learn as much as I can about blood work and the health of my body while on cycle and off. These questions and my opinion are for learning and nothing more!!

elevated or lowered estrogen and low or high PRL will lower TT, all has to be in range

 

[Carmel cowboy]

elevated or lowered estrogen and low or high PRL will lower TT, all has to be in range

Thank you for the reply! I did not know that! I always thought your estrogen and test always try to remain in balance to maintain homeostasis. If your test is high and your not controlling your estrogen it will be high also.

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Thank you for the reply! I did not know that! I always thought your estrogen and test always try to remain in balance to maintain homeostasis. If your test is high and your not controlling your estrogen it will be high also.

not when using compounds, it can go either way and everyone will be way different with this. Elevated E usually will require T to aromatize, and if you armoatizing too much how will TT increase ? its slows that down

 

[Carmel cowboy]

not when using compounds, it can go either way and everyone will be way different with this. Elevated E usually will require T to aromatize, and if you armoatizing too much how will TT increase ? its slows that down

Thank you! I appreciate the education! I know you and buen have a lot of knowledge in this area and I appreciate the reply!!

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Thank you! I appreciate the education! I know you and buen have a lot of knowledge in this area and I appreciate the reply!!

i would have more for you bro, but im barely getting off a 2 week flu so i try to keep it as short as possible. Think of it like this, all these hormones work in unison one can effectively alter the other and will be different person to person. If OP had both PRL and E in range would give us more accuracy here, a simple adjustment of OPs E into valued range can respectably change his TT most likely with a pretty substantial increase. And based of OP statements says he "felt" unwell with elevation in E that tells me he is sensitive to elevation. @ 50 E i feel pretty well, but that does not mean it is healthy for me i am just not estrogen sensitive. Again everyone is very different

 

[Carmel cowboy]

i would have more for you bro, but im barely getting off a 2 week flu so i try to keep it as short as possible. Think of it like this, all these hormones work in unison one can effectively alter the other and will be different person to person. If OP had both PRL and E in range would give us more accuracy here, a simple adjustment of OPs E into valued range can respectably change his TT most likely with a pretty substantial increase. And based of OP statements says he "felt" unwell with elevation in E that tells me he is sensitive to elevation. @ 50 E i feel pretty well, but that does not mean it is healthy for me i am just not estrogen sensitive. Again everyone is very different

I hope you feel better bro!! I appreciate any info that you give!! Thank you!

 

[Gixxer]

Good questions Carmel Cowboy.. I thought the same thing about the Deca and caber. Either I'm not sensitive to prolactin and don't need to take caber or the Deca is under dosed. Unfortunately there isn't a way to verify the compound potency/concentration. But I am definitely estrogen sensitive and need to double my dose to have my e2 where I feel best which is mid 20's - 30's. This is still a learning experience for me as well but want to make sure I do everything safe and effective. By no means is this a bash on BGS , only my experience and looking for support from the more experienced guys.
I've had positive interaction with 9th Wonder and BGS and had no issues with any products in the past.

I started to double my aromasin dose and probably will reduce how often I take the caber and have bloods drawn again to see where I'm at. Everything seems good, lifts are great and my strength is going up, muscle mass is a bit slow but I still have another 8 weeks of my cycle. I'll post up the bloods for you guys once I get them.
Thanks again for all the feedback

 

[9th Wonder]

It will be interesting to see how your blood work comes back after adjusting estrogen and prolactin levels. Either way I know BGS will get you squared away.. I've actually never seen anyone come back with low test levels on BGS gear.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you out Gixxer

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

It will be interesting to see how your blood work comes back after adjusting estrogen and prolactin levels. Either way I know BGS will get you squared away.. I've actually never seen anyone come back with low test levels on BGS gear.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you out Gixxer

I too am interested to see blood results once other hormones are more within range. That way it helps rule out the obvious variables that may skew results, especially the estrogen.

 

[buen]

Can the deca off set the total test results by causing suppression? I didn't think that was possible if he is taking test at 500mgs. I know that deca is very suppressive to our natural production of testosterone but can it surpress the amount of test from an injection?

NO....suppression refers to the PRODUCTION of Testosterone (natural)....when you inject T there is no method by which Decca can lower your T level... because the T is already in your blood serum

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

NO....suppression refers to the PRODUCTION of Testosterone (natural)....when you inject T there is no method by which Decca can lower your T level... because the T is already in your blood serum

agreed. There are even studies that show deca can increase T levels indirectly

 

[44YOGearHead]

if its 500, v 350, thats really low test numbers then. Like about 1/2.

I was thinking the same. Low number and elevated estradiol... 8 weeks in too? You're missing about 190mgs worth of test. That's just basing it off x5. Go x6 and it's not looking any better. Glad BGS is fixing you up.


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[Carmel cowboy]

NO....suppression refers to the PRODUCTION of Testosterone (natural)....when you inject T there is no method by which Decca can lower your T level... because the T is already in your blood serum

That's what I thought! Thank you for the reply.

 

[44YOGearHead]

The 4 days after injection doesn't help. BGS makes things right though.

True, amazing how many ppl fuck that up. Forgot all about the 4 days.


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[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

True, amazing how many ppl fuck that up. Forgot all about the 4 days.


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bro trust me, ive seen a few things with this that did not equate which is why ive stated to get certain things in line and retest. that way rules those variables out we can determine more accurately whats going on

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Adjusting PRL, E and timing will make differences and rules out alot of variables. If not for those i would have been curious then

 

[TotalPackage]

NO....suppression refers to the PRODUCTION of Testosterone (natural)....when you inject T there is no method by which Decca can lower your T level... because the T is already in your blood serum

Exactly. When we talk about suppression, we're talking about your testicles production. If you are taking injections, the Nandrolones are not affecting the exogenous T.

 

[TotalPackage]

bro trust me, ive seen a few things with this that did not equate which is why ive stated to get certain things in line and retest. that way rules those variables out we can determine more accurately whats going on

OP may also be like me, I'm an aromatizing SOB, I need AI's even on TRT dosed Test. I'm also a high absorption guy, compounds get eaten by my body really quick. I got blood work for my physical two weeks ago......I'm on TRT, 160mg / week of Test Cyp. Normally my Total Test is a little over 1500. The bloodwork was done 5 days after injection (I pin twice a week so I was only half a dose shy) and my total T was down to 479! Unbelievable!

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

OP may also be like me, I'm an aromatizing SOB, I need AI's even on TRT dosed Test. I'm also a high absorption guy, compounds get eaten by my body really quick. I got blood work for my physical two weeks ago......I'm on TRT, 160mg / week of Test Cyp. Normally my Total Test is a little over 1500. The bloodwork was done 5 days after injection (I pin twice a week so I was only half a dose shy) and my total T was down to 479! Unbelievable!

In your opinion of your personal situation, what do you believe to be the primary factor that causes the most variance ?