Its poll time my brothers.

[PHURIOUS]

I wanna take a poll

Who here thinks that the general rule of bloodtest results with which the correlation to your test number should be 7-10 times your weekly dose

In other words if im taking 800mg a week my bloodwork would show between 7-10X or 5600-8000

And also who thinks thats bro science and we shudnt use that method whoch has been around longer then i have been using steroids and thinks that the number doesnt matter because of things like time degradation of potency or metabolic rate

Ready go.




PHURIOUS

 

[RickRock]

I wanna take a poll

Who here thinks that the general rule of bloodtest results with which the correlation to your test number should be 7-10 times your weekly dose

In other words if im taking 800mg a week my bloodwork would show between 7-10X or 5600-8000

And also who thinks thats bro science and we shudnt use that method whoch has been around longer then i have been using steroids and thinks that the number doesnt matter because of things like time degradation of potency or metabolic rate

Ready go.




PHURIOUS

I don't think there's anything set in stone on it. Reason being some people respond to test better than others. That's why some people have values over 1000 on 150mg TRT dose and I've seen some people need as much as 300 to see 1000. I think that works for the majority of the time though. 7-10 is a decent guideline, as long as people test at the right time after a pin

 

[MaxxPursuit]

That 7-10x guideline has been around for a long time. Lots of factors go into what the levels will end up being. Dosage, pinning schedule, how long after last pin was blood taken, sensitivity/response of the individual, etc. The way I look at it, the multipler isn't a set in stone thing for everyone. I look at 7-10x as the general average expectation. If you're extremely under or over like 3x or 12x and if you're experienced enough to know how you usually respond to properly dosed gear at similar doses then.. its easier to make an educated judgement. I think that multiplier is a good guideline for averages but I also think each person should have experience to understand how they personally respond and whats normal for them.

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[PHURIOUS]

I don't think there's anything set in stone on it. Reason being some people respond to test better than others. That's why some people have values over 1000 on 150mg TRT dose and I've seen some people need as much as 300 to see 1000. I think that works for the majority of the time though. 7-10 is a decent guideline, as long as people test at the right time after a pin

I thank you for your view point however i ask you. If there is no set in stone then why do member post bloods and then say why are these low is gear bunk or underdosed every forum ive ever been a part of and all i hear is oh well thats low and your gear is underdosed and then the source is either to replace gear or refund for fear of bashing. Why do people post bloods at all of gear that is strong if the numbers dont matter?


PHURIOUS

 

[Testdude63]

As far as a ballpark figure value, yeah it's pretty standard. Some people don't respond as high as others, but it's a good baseline to go by IMO.

 

[PHURIOUS]

As far as a ballpark figure value, yeah it's pretty standard. Some people don't respond as high as others, but it's a good baseline to go by IMO.

This is funny say that because thats what i was saying origionally saying ya it shud be in this range but who cares as long as u feel good and look god and then i get blasted by mod daying dont in his thread when it wasnt even his i was speaking positivly in aspects and then it all went down hill for no reason


PHURIOUS

 

[teku135]

yeah if its under x7 then i'd be worried.

 

[Buddhabuilder]

The only time I had questionable bloods it was obviously bunk..I can't remember..it was actually my first cycle.

I had a recent source that posted bloods on their website. That is a way to be sure gear is good because your getting levels from a number of people who may respond to gear in all the different ways stated above.

I really like sites where you can name the labs and show your bloods. It is the best quality control going.

 

[chelades]

IMHO. Ridiculous. There is a study right here that proves otherwise.

This is 12 people running 600mg Pharma grade. Average Test? 2,370ng/dl. That's x3.95 times the dose on average.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11701431?dopt=Abstract

There are just too many variables including how each person metabolizes the hormone.

The only time it's clearly 'bunk' is when you're running say 500mg and not even breaking high TRT numbers: like I was earlier in the year. Anything else is fair game.

 

[PHURIOUS]

IMHO. Ridiculous. There is a study right here that proves otherwise.

This is 12 people running 600mg Pharma grade. Average Test? 2,370ng/dl. That's x3.95 times the dose on average.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11701431?dopt=Abstract

There are just too many variables including how each person metabolizes the hormone.

Its a terrible study. One its test e. You dont inject it once a week its a twice a week inject its halflife is 4-6 days. Obviously if u drew blood the number would be lower as its past the half life

Two they didnt say when the blood was pulled and how long after injection. Its a bogus study. 100%




PHURIOUS

 

[chelades]

What do you mean it's Test E? As in, one of the most stable of all Esters with a half life that is exactly 7 days?

It's a controlled test. They didn't work out. They had the same diet. They were on for 20 weeks. Bloods were done at 16 weeks 1 week after pin. All the information is there.

Why would it be bogus? 16 doctors got together to get under the skin of all the UGL dealers of the world?

Look at all the notes. That is hardcore evidence. I'll take that over anecdotal "go pin and get a test" proof.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172

 

[PHURIOUS]

What do you mean it's Test E? As in, one of the most stable of all Esters with a half life that is exactly 7 days?

It's a controlled test. They didn't work out. They had the same diet. They were on for 20 weeks. Bloods were done at 16 weeks 1 week after pin. All the information is there.

Why would it be bogus? 16 doctors got together to get under the skin of all the UGL dealers of the world?

Look at all the notes. That is hardcore evidence. I'll take that over anecdotal "go pin and get a test" proof.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172

Test e half lives at the most 6 days more like 4.

Thats fine ty for your opinion.


PHURIOUS

 

[chelades]

Dude, it's 7 - 10 days. It's only one carbon atom off Cyp, which is 8 - 11 days. Hence why either is used in TRT and can be pinned once a week.

 

[PHURIOUS]

Dude, it's 7 - 10 days. It's only one carbon atom off Cyp, which is 8 - 11 days. Hence why either is used in TRT and can be pinned once a week.

Active half life is 7-10 days peak is 4-6.


PHURIOUS

 

[PHURIOUS]

But as u said everyone metabolizes diff. So. I ask you how do you figure out if your gear is legit? Since you want to throw out the method thats been used for the last atleast 15 years


PHURIOUS

 

[PHURIOUS]

I personally have no dog in this fight but I couldn't care less between a 4500 score or 5500. I doubt i could tell otherwise .

Its not a fight. Just an open poll. So that we can then come up with a way to determine whats good gear and whats underdosed. Becasuse some say the general way isnt good or who gives a shit. But us sources are in the wind.


PHURIOUS

 

[SdBronco]

I suppose if a person was having a large amount of there gear aromatized then that may cause someone to have lower than 7X. So a fat guy or someone without an adequate AI or both could have completely legit gear that looks a little underdosed on paper. I'm honestly not very knowledgeable when it comes to this specifically but I think Phurious makes a strong argument here. I think would rather hold a higher standard for blood work as opposed to a lower one. At the same time if your bloods come back 5-6X I don't think the source should be at fault. Even if Phurious is right and a 5X test is low, I don't think the lab should be blamed for this regardless if the user is happy with his gear or not. Unless multiple people all order from the same lab and use a sensible protocol and they all consistently get 5-6X test levels. Then it goes to show it isn't just one single poor responder. If multiple guys are using the same shit and it's coming back lower then 5-6x consistently then something is definitely wrong.

 

[BigBusiness]

What do you mean it's Test E? As in, one of the most stable of all Esters with a half life that is exactly 7 days?

It's a controlled test. They didn't work out. They had the same diet. They were on for 20 weeks. Bloods were done at 16 weeks 1 week after pin. All the information is there.

Why would it be bogus? 16 doctors got together to get under the skin of all the UGL dealers of the world?

Look at all the notes. That is hardcore evidence. I'll take that over anecdotal "go pin and get a test" proof.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172

I downloaded the PDF and still failed to see where it says when they pulled bloods, but I was just skimming through tho

 

[Titan Research Labs]

Agreed that there is no set limit or rule for everyone. The only real hard numbers that matter to determine potency would have to come from a mass spec test, otherwise it's a guess. That's why batch logging is important as a source, and blood tests are important as users. If one guy runs bloods and he's at 4x and another guy running the same batch runs bloods and he's at 8x, it's not the gear that's the issue. But if 2-3 guys running the same batch are all at 4x, you know you likely have a problem, and it's time for mass spec, which the results would be the determining factor on reship or refund.

Without a batch control, everything is a variable, and it's all left to bro science and speculation at that point...

As a general standard, yes, 6-10x has always been the consensus, but one individual test can always be completely different due to the variables from person to person. It's not black and white.

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[JackSteel]

It's clearly not an accurate way to assess when you have dudes on script test doing 300-400mg and getting normal range bloods.


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