Is this normal

[ibleedoranbla]

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How many days are you training right now?


PHURIOUS PHARMA

Right now 4. I was doing 5 days until 2 weeks ago when I moved, that kinda screwed with my schedule for a week and I haven't worked back up to 5 days yet.

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How are u spacing your tbol doses? I didn't notice much until week 3- n that week I started taking 30mg pre workout n a total of 70 mg per day. Morning 20, pre workout 30, pre bedtime 20. Also your estrogen levels could be too low. U might want to hold off on the asin for at least a few days. And bloods- just to confirm your test and E levels are in order

I'm doing 50mg am and then 12 hours later preworkout another 50mg. I went the first 2 weeks at 60mg, then another 2 weeks at 80mg and now the final 2 weeks at 100mg. I'm planning on getting bloods done in about 2 weeks. My first thought was too low on my estrogen, so that's why I decreed my aromasin dose.

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At 50mg pre workout you are not getting extra energy, strength, or recovery bw sets? Hmmmm- idk; I'm def a fan of Hipo n I doubt his gear is shit. What test brand are you running? I would think the test you are running isn't good and or your estrogen levels are too low. You might wanna get that bloodwork done sooner. I know people say 6 weeks, but your levels should def be where there should be w good test after 4

Just went back n saw the previous posts. If you got the EP test from PSL it's def your estrogen. PSL is g2g. I used their test on my last cycle. I hear a lot of people getting shut down w aromasin. I've never used aromasin, just adex. But, it seems like starting w a lower dose n then adjusting if you are retaining water would be the way to go w that stuff.

Yea, I'm hoping that low e is the culprit. I'll keep riding it out at a lower dose and see what happens.

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[FL1025]

It sounds to me like your tbol is legit but your test is either bunk or underdosed

 

[Xeno Pharmaceuticals]

Sounds like low e2, If the boys are shrinking up that means, at the very least, you have an above average level of androgens in your body. If you feel "worse" then it has to be another factor besides low androgen levels i.e. bunk gear right?

Exemestane is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor meaning it will take a few days for your body to recover normal levels of aromatase enzyme even after it is stopped completely. If it were me I would drop it all together, wait for a change and then start back at a very low dose and increase if your nipples get sensitive or you start holding water.

Considering the circumstances it is almost certainly low E2 or extreme overtraining, lack of sleep, etc.. or a combination of all.

XENO

 

[VtwinJunkie]

I had the same issue with the same gear. Not Tbol but PSL EP Test. I never felt like I was on cycle, but I was on EP test and was concerned about its strength. I had blood work done and it was g2g. I messed up and didnt get the uncapped test but it said I was over 1500. I dont think the test is your problem. yuou could get bloods and check out your E2 level. I never did get a euphoric feeling I here ppl talk about.

 

[BigBusiness]

I would stop the masin for a couple days, or until you start to get a itchy nipple feeling. Then do 12.5 mgs then wait a few days till the itchy nips come back. That will give you a baseline for you masin dosing. You may only need to dose twice a week.

 

[cbbram00]

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I would stop the masin for a couple days, or until you start to get a itchy nipple feeling. Then do 12.5 mgs then wait a few days till the itchy nips come back. That will give you a baseline for you masin dosing. You may only need to dose twice a week.

I've never had the itchy nipple feeling... Do you have to touch it (nipples) to feel it or can you just feel it normally? I'm currently trying to dial in my Aromasin also...

 

[BigBusiness]

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I would stop the masin for a couple days, or until you start to get a itchy nipple feeling. Then do 12.5 mgs then wait a few days till the itchy nips come back. That will give you a baseline for you masin dosing. You may only need to dose twice a week.

I've never had the itchy nipple feeling... Do you have to touch it (nipples) to feel it or can you just feel it normally? I'm currently trying to dial in my Aromasin also...

To me it feels like my nipples are dried out and just get itchy. They become more sensitive and my shirt rubbing on them makes them itch more. Back off the aromasin for a few days and you will know, unless your not gyno prone. But this is from my experience. You might get a different feeling that i described

 

[cmb5017]

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Let me ask u this. Are u getting acne on ur back and ass? Is ur dick hard ed? Are u growing hair in places no hair has grown before? If no I would say u got bunk gear

No acne on my face or ass but I have had small amounts of random acne pop up on my chest and shoulders but it is very small and hardly noticeable. Ice never really been one to get acne. I haven't had any problems in the hard on department. I had one today for about 6 hours that I thought was going to explode. I have had a small ache on my testicles that started about 2 weeks ago and I noticed today that the boys were not just shrunken bit they were gone. As far as hair goes, I'm already fairly hairy but I've noticed that my hair is growing faster and thicker.

Too be honest I feel like I'm completely shutdown, which is obviously not a shocker as I should be. I just thought that with injecting test you're not supposed to "feel" shutdown. I'm going to give it until week 6 and get bloods before I call it bunk. It's from psl and from what I know everyone is always satisfied with psl.

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Yea ive purchased from PSL. My shit was g2g. If I cant gauge gear based on positive effects I surely can gauge it on side effects. Sides start on me by. Day 3. Acne, hair and superman. Boners! Ive been on phurious sustanon and I done turned into an ape i got so much hair growing lol

 

[RickRock]

This is all a bit strange to me that you haven't gotten anything from the cycle at all. The test you should start feeling and noticing about now, so you may need to give that just a bit longer. And as far as the Tbol goes, you just may be somewhat of a non responder to it, if you have legit stuff. I really never got a damn thing from Tbol myself, and there are certain other orals like Dbol that I got absolutely nothing from either where other orals I have a very good expereince with.

Losing motivation and drive in the gym may be more mental than anything because of your frustration with the cycle. That's very easy to happen when your expectations are not met, and it happens easier with a first cycle. And to be honest from time to time you'll have a cycle here and there that you just don't get much of anything from. It happens, just not usually ever at all for a first cycle

 

[PHURIOUS]

I would stop the masin for a couple days, or until you start to get a itchy nipple feeling. Then do 12.5 mgs then wait a few days till the itchy nips come back. That will give you a baseline for you masin dosing. You may only need to dose twice a week.

I've never had the itchy nipple feeling... Do you have to touch it (nipples) to feel it or can you just feel it normally? I'm currently trying to dial in my Aromasin also...

Its hard to judge it that way not everyone js suseptable to gyno. Bloating and fatigue is better measure. If you feel tired and sluggish your estro is probly too low if you start to bloat and have swollen face its probly too high.


PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[mastermolnar]

I probably shouldn't say shut down, considering I really don't know what that's like. It's just what I would imaging it to feel like, lack of motivation, no gains, tired, body aching. All these could just be signs of low e too. I just lowered my aromasin dose, so I'll give it a couple more weeks until I get too worried. It's just hard not to let this frustration get to be because this isn't what I was expecting at all.

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Ive experienced this feeling before and in my case I adjusted my AI and it worked itself out. Not saying that is definitely your situation but my estro crashed hard and I basically felt like a weak piece of shit for about a week or so. I would also suggest increasing water intake a bit. I found when im under hydrated I lose strength endurance and that general feeling of well being I love so much while on cycle and in good nutrition

 

[JackSteel]

You could maybe be feeling a big of over training? I know when i over train i dont see as much change and mentally lose the focus and motivation


PHURIOUS PHARMA

This could be. Also how's your diet? Btw being pissed about everything sounds like RR to me. Aggression I get from stuff is almost always dismissed at first as being legitimate anger because of something dumb that happened and after a while every time I have to stop myself and blame the gear im using. I hate having to admit steroids do some bad shit to my head but it's the truth. You may feel like it's normal discontent of crankiness but you could be under sleeping and/or over training which would allow for the aggression to come on stronger than it might otherwise. If that's not the case then you could have bunk gear. But honesty "roid rage" doesn't feel like roid rage. It can be very easy to convince yourself it's normal aggression. Anyway that's my 2 cents


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[DylanGemelli]

I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

 

[ibleedoranbla]

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I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

I know what you're saying and I wasn't trying to imply anything regarding the quality until I did get bloods. I wasn't in a position to get bloods done yesterday on a Saturday and after two straight frustrating weeks working out I just looked to the bros here for some advice. I actually just wanted to get clarification whether my frustrations were legit, it was just in my head, or if this was just normal. I'm actually feeling much better today mentally than I have in a couple of weeks. My gut reason tells me that I've killed my estrogen and I'm going to lay off the aromasin until I get bloods done or I start to get any high e sides.

The gear quality is somewhat starting to concern me though because my first vial was a full week short of oil and when I went to open my new vial tonight it appears to be contaminated.

I need to clarify that I can't say I have gotten 0 gains from the tbol because my physic has changed and I have gotten numerous compliments on the way I look. I'm more upset with the lack of improved performance in the gym that the tbol has provided. I'm not the type that cares only about how much I look like I can lift, rather I like to look like I can move a house and actually be able to do it. I'm very happy with the way I'm looking but just very frustrated with my gym performance.

I'm sorry if I have come off in a manner that seems like I'm bashing any lab, as I won't do that until bloods prove that to be true. Hopefully, this test will start kicking this week and all will be well. In the meantime I'm going to have to come up with some more test, otherwise my cycle will be cut short. I can't pm on evo, so I'm not sure how to contact one of psl's reps regarding my, what appears to be, contaminated gear.

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[ibleedoranbla]

I want to thank everyone for their response and help. I think my gut feeling seems to line up with what most of you are saying. I think I killed my estrogen. I started the aromasin at the start of the tbol, so I'm thinking that this might also be why I haven't gotten much out of the tbol. Only time will tell along with blood work. I'll keep everyone updated as time goes on.

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[PHURIOUS]

I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

I know what you're saying and I wasn't trying to imply anything regarding the quality until I did get bloods. I wasn't in a position to get bloods done yesterday on a Saturday and after two straight frustrating weeks working out I just looked to the bros here for some advice. I actually just wanted to get clarification whether my frustrations were legit, it was just in my head, or if this was just normal. I'm actually feeling much better today mentally than I have in a couple of weeks. My gut reason tells me that I've killed my estrogen and I'm going to lay off the aromasin until I get bloods done or I start to get any high e sides.

The gear quality is somewhat starting to concern me though because my first vial was a full week short of oil and when I went to open my new vial tonight it appears to be contaminated.

I need to clarify that I can't say I have gotten 0 gains from the tbol because my physic has changed and I have gotten numerous compliments on the way I look. I'm more upset with the lack of improved performance in the gym that the tbol has provided. I'm not the type that cares only about how much I look like I can lift, rather I like to look like I can move a house and actually be able to do it. I'm very happy with the way I'm looking but just very frustrated with my gym performance.

I'm sorry if I have come off in a manner that seems like I'm bashing any lab, as I won't do that until bloods prove that to be true. Hopefully, this test will start kicking this week and all will be well. In the meantime I'm going to have to come up with some more test, otherwise my cycle will be cut short. I can't pm on evo, so I'm not sure how to contact one of psl's reps regarding my, what appears to be, contaminated gear.

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If you get bloods and it comes up bunk test e from psl. Dont even worry. We will all help u out.


PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[ibleedoranbla]

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I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

I know what you're saying and I wasn't trying to imply anything regarding the quality until I did get bloods. I wasn't in a position to get bloods done yesterday on a Saturday and after two straight frustrating weeks working out I just looked to the bros here for some advice. I actually just wanted to get clarification whether my frustrations were legit, it was just in my head, or if this was just normal. I'm actually feeling much better today mentally than I have in a couple of weeks. My gut reason tells me that I've killed my estrogen and I'm going to lay off the aromasin until I get bloods done or I start to get any high e sides.

The gear quality is somewhat starting to concern me though because my first vial was a full week short of oil and when I went to open my new vial tonight it appears to be contaminated.

I need to clarify that I can't say I have gotten 0 gains from the tbol because my physic has changed and I have gotten numerous compliments on the way I look. I'm more upset with the lack of improved performance in the gym that the tbol has provided. I'm not the type that cares only about how much I look like I can lift, rather I like to look like I can move a house and actually be able to do it. I'm very happy with the way I'm looking but just very frustrated with my gym performance.

I'm sorry if I have come off in a manner that seems like I'm bashing any lab, as I won't do that until bloods prove that to be true. Hopefully, this test will start kicking this week and all will be well. In the meantime I'm going to have to come up with some more test, otherwise my cycle will be cut short. I can't pm on evo, so I'm not sure how to contact one of psl's reps regarding my, what appears to be, contaminated gear.

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If you get bloods and it comes up bunk test e from psl. Dont even worry. We will all help u out.


PHURIOUS PHARMA

Appreciate it, bro. I'm still hoping for the best, trying to stay patient. Ice read plenty of people who don't respond to test until around week 5-6. I just started week 5, so we'll see.

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[PHURIOUS]

Ya bloods are going to give u the answers u need


PHURIOUS PHARMA

 

[DylanGemelli]

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I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

I know what you're saying and I wasn't trying to imply anything regarding the quality until I did get bloods. I wasn't in a position to get bloods done yesterday on a Saturday and after two straight frustrating weeks working out I just looked to the bros here for some advice. I actually just wanted to get clarification whether my frustrations were legit, it was just in my head, or if this was just normal. I'm actually feeling much better today mentally than I have in a couple of weeks. My gut reason tells me that I've killed my estrogen and I'm going to lay off the aromasin until I get bloods done or I start to get any high e sides.

The gear quality is somewhat starting to concern me though because my first vial was a full week short of oil and when I went to open my new vial tonight it appears to be contaminated.

I need to clarify that I can't say I have gotten 0 gains from the tbol because my physic has changed and I have gotten numerous compliments on the way I look. I'm more upset with the lack of improved performance in the gym that the tbol has provided. I'm not the type that cares only about how much I look like I can lift, rather I like to look like I can move a house and actually be able to do it. I'm very happy with the way I'm looking but just very frustrated with my gym performance.

I'm sorry if I have come off in a manner that seems like I'm bashing any lab, as I won't do that until bloods prove that to be true. Hopefully, this test will start kicking this week and all will be well. In the meantime I'm going to have to come up with some more test, otherwise my cycle will be cut short. I can't pm on evo, so I'm not sure how to contact one of psl's reps regarding my, what appears to be, contaminated gear.

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Don't worry bro, i was not implying you were saying that and your credibility as a person in general precedes yourself and that was not what I was trying to convey... I just wanted other readers to understand the importance of getting bloodwork done before coming to ANY conclusions, whether its gear related, internally related, etc... the only true way to give you the right advice and the safest is to confirm the root of the problem otherwise it is all hypothetical coming from any of us and its pure guesswork... I just want to make sure you find the actual problem and we get it taken care of, regardless of what it is... Trust me, I am very upset your not seeing the results you should as I am sure everyone else is and if you were taken advantage of, everyone wants to know... i am hoping that's not the case but that is still on the table as well... I just want to be certain for your safety as well as everyone else's...

 

[ibleedoranbla]

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I am concerned about gear quality here... i have seen countless and i mean countless people get substantial gains from tbol alone... you need bloodwork bro... that will really help this as everything we are all doing here is hypothesis and its great that we are all trying to help but its actually only making things worse because its really all guesswork and we are just spinning wheels... when we see your bloodwork then we can get to the actual root of the problem... this is the type of thing where people question gear quality or question this or that and not only does that make you wonder but it could give someone else a bad name when they don't deserve it etc... let's get this confirmed first with bloods and then we can see the main culprit here bro

I know what you're saying and I wasn't trying to imply anything regarding the quality until I did get bloods. I wasn't in a position to get bloods done yesterday on a Saturday and after two straight frustrating weeks working out I just looked to the bros here for some advice. I actually just wanted to get clarification whether my frustrations were legit, it was just in my head, or if this was just normal. I'm actually feeling much better today mentally than I have in a couple of weeks. My gut reason tells me that I've killed my estrogen and I'm going to lay off the aromasin until I get bloods done or I start to get any high e sides.

The gear quality is somewhat starting to concern me though because my first vial was a full week short of oil and when I went to open my new vial tonight it appears to be contaminated.

I need to clarify that I can't say I have gotten 0 gains from the tbol because my physic has changed and I have gotten numerous compliments on the way I look. I'm more upset with the lack of improved performance in the gym that the tbol has provided. I'm not the type that cares only about how much I look like I can lift, rather I like to look like I can move a house and actually be able to do it. I'm very happy with the way I'm looking but just very frustrated with my gym performance.

I'm sorry if I have come off in a manner that seems like I'm bashing any lab, as I won't do that until bloods prove that to be true. Hopefully, this test will start kicking this week and all will be well. In the meantime I'm going to have to come up with some more test, otherwise my cycle will be cut short. I can't pm on evo, so I'm not sure how to contact one of psl's reps regarding my, what appears to be, contaminated gear.

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Don't worry bro, i was not implying you were saying that and your credibility as a person in general precedes yourself and that was not what I was trying to convey... I just wanted other readers to understand the importance of getting bloodwork done before coming to ANY conclusions, whether its gear related, internally related, etc... the only true way to give you the right advice and the safest is to confirm the root of the problem otherwise it is all hypothetical coming from any of us and its pure guesswork... I just want to make sure you find the actual problem and we get it taken care of, regardless of what it is... Trust me, I am very upset your not seeing the results you should as I am sure everyone else is and if you were taken advantage of, everyone wants to know... i am hoping that's not the case but that is still on the table as well... I just want to be certain for your safety as well as everyone else's...

I completely understand what you're saying. At this point, the gear legitimacy isn't even my concern after what I found last night. I don't know if you've seen my other thread or not but one of my vials is contaminated with some kind of brown gunk then when shaken turns into something that looks like a floating fiber. Someone else has reached out to me through pm and said they checked their vials after reading my post and their vials have the exact same thing going on and they have the same lot and batch numbers as me.

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