Is it a good Idea to use Clomid while stacking SARMS?

[Takmard]

I heard some doctors prescribe Clomid as a replacement for TRT in people with low Test. I am 45 now and have near min. test. level around 400 but don't want to take Test. because I prefer Sarms for obvious reasons. I want to stack MK677, MK-2866, LGD-4033 to increase lean body mass. I work out 3-4 days a week and been doing it for over 10 yrs. I am afraid this may lower my T levels further since MK& LGD may be slightly suppressive and I am already having a low Libido and don't want to risk loosing my mojo any further as it is not going to end well with my lady. Is it a good idea to just start taking a low dose of Clomid from the very beginning of my cycle to avoid all this or is it going to backfire on me later after I stop my PCT? Please help, I would really appreciate any feedback.

 

[RickRock]

I wouldn't recommend using Clomid on cycle. You want to wait and use that in pct. Throw in some DAA the last 4 weeks of the cycle which will help with suppression

 

[chelades]

Clomid is not a long term solution, similar thing as HCG. Plenty of docs prescribe them to zone in on what the actual problem is, causing the low test, and if it is correctable in the short term, but neither is an ultimate solution. Both are estrogenic, for one. And carry their own problems and side effects with long term use, for two.

The only way to really fix low test, is to replace it with... TRT. If you're not wanting to risk any further suppression, probably best to stay off anything unless you're ready to make the jump to test at some point IMO.

There's respected studies from many decades ago, that suggests anything below 450 in an aging male is cause for problems, and that no clinical benefit from replacement therapy is seen until test goes above 800. Just some food for thought if you're already beginning to see issues.

Interesting situation as most young guys are breaking their necks to get on TRT, foolishly, so to have an older guy breaking his neck to stay off is pretty diversive.

 

[Takmard]

What is DAA Please? Not sure I have heard this Term before, thanks

 

[Joe S.]

D aspartic Acid

 

[Takmard]

The cause of my low T level was determined as low Thyroid hormone production or Hypothyroidism. Been on Thyroid meds for years. Once I stopped taking my medication for about 3 months and had blood test done, my T level dropped to half around 200. Even with taking the correct dose of my med. still it remains low. I guess I just don't want to commit to TRT because its a life time commitment. My Lady always said "I have commitment issues". LOL, I guess she has a point. So I am trying all avenues prior to giving in to getting on TRT but it seems inevitable.
Thank you for your input and Yes it is foolish for the younger guys to get on TRT as they have no idea how big of a price they'll end up paying down the line. Its very unfortunate. If anything they should stick with Sarms since the side effects are much lower if any.

 

[Takmard]

Yes, I have heard of it, I will look it up. Thanks

 

[jp1957]

You can absolutely run clomid during cycle, I did, mainly because of the suppression I got from lgd/Osta/rad combination.

But I would wait for 4 weeks, get bloods, and go from there.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Clomid is not a long term solution, similar thing as HCG. Plenty of docs prescribe them to zone in on what the actual problem is, causing the low test, and if it is correctable in the short term, but neither is an ultimate solution. Both are estrogenic, for one. And carry their own problems and side effects with long term use, for two.

The only way to really fix low test, is to replace it with... TRT. If you're not wanting to risk any further suppression, probably best to stay off anything unless you're ready to make the jump to test at some point IMO.

There's respected studies from many decades ago, that suggests anything below 450 in an aging male is cause for problems, and that no clinical benefit from replacement therapy is seen until test goes above 800. Just some food for thought if you're already beginning to see issues.

Interesting situation as most young guys are breaking their necks to get on TRT, foolishly, so to have an older guy breaking his neck to stay off is pretty diversive.

I hope you read this post as it makes a lot of sense and it hits the nail on the head... its not a long term solution... trt is the corrective treatment for low test... its tried and true... thats what you need to be considering for that sort of problem...

 

[Montgomery]

You can absolutely run clomid during cycle, I did, mainly because of the suppression I got from lgd/Osta/rad combination.

But I would wait for 4 weeks, get bloods, and go from there.

What was your dosing protocol during the cycle

 

[RickRock]

Clomid is not a long term solution, similar thing as HCG. Plenty of docs prescribe them to zone in on what the actual problem is, causing the low test, and if it is correctable in the short term, but neither is an ultimate solution. Both are estrogenic, for one. And carry their own problems and side effects with long term use, for two.

The only way to really fix low test, is to replace it with... TRT. If you're not wanting to risk any further suppression, probably best to stay off anything unless you're ready to make the jump to test at some point IMO.

There's respected studies from many decades ago, that suggests anything below 450 in an aging male is cause for problems, and that no clinical benefit from replacement therapy is seen until test goes above 800. Just some food for thought if you're already beginning to see issues.

Interesting situation as most young guys are breaking their necks to get on TRT, foolishly, so to have an older guy breaking his neck to stay off is pretty diversive.

Agreed 100% bro

 

[chelades]

The cause of my low T level was determined as low Thyroid hormone production or Hypothyroidism. Been on Thyroid meds for years. Once I stopped taking my medication for about 3 months and had blood test done, my T level dropped to half around 200. Even with taking the correct dose of my med. still it remains low. I guess I just don't want to commit to TRT because its a life time commitment. My Lady always said "I have commitment issues". LOL, I guess she has a point. So I am trying all avenues prior to giving in to getting on TRT but it seems inevitable.
Thank you for your input and Yes it is foolish for the younger guys to get on TRT as they have no idea how big of a price they'll end up paying down the line. Its very unfortunate. If anything they should stick with Sarms since the side effects are much lower if any.

That's actually another classic low T symptom, and many find that once they're on TRT and get their Test back up to optimum (not just 'normal' range) it actually corrects the thyroid issue in the process, taking away the necessity of thyroid meds

It's sort of the chicken or the egg. Just like they say anxiety and depression causes low T. But low T also causes depression and anxiety.

TRT definitely kicks thyroid into gear though, as well as lowering SHBG too so you get more free test flowing too. Two of its well-known positive secondary effects.

 

[Takmard]

Yes Thank you, that all makes sense knowing how everything in the human body is linked together, specially when it comes to glands and hormone productions.. I have always had a problem with mild depression as well, but its mostly seasonal. I have been desperately trying to get off my Thyroid med for years, I've done all sort of research on what triggers and damages the Thyroid Gland like dental X ray radiations, Mercury dental fillings, I have done all kinds of Natural remedies such as Complete Juice cleanses, Total body herbal Detox (liver, kidney, Colon, heavy metal detox.), Removed all the mercury fillings from my teeth, took large doses of Organic Iodine, etc. Though all this has helped me lower the dose, but did not entirely get my thyroid to start functioning on its own.
I am the kind of person that wont take any prescription meds. unless I absolutely have to. So you can see why I have been avoiding the TRT. But at this point I think I have to give a shot, try it out for a few months and see how my body reacts to it.

 

[jp1957]

What was your dosing protocol during the cycle

I was doing 20mg daily. Helped quite abit.

 

[Montgomery]

I was doing 20mg daily. Helped quite abit.

The whole 12 weeks? and you kept it up through PCT for a total of 16 weeks?

 

[jp1957]

yup, full 12w, for PCT bumped to 40 for the first week (which I'm on now). Added Nolva at 40 for PCT as well.

Will drop both both next week by 1/2'ish. Run my 4 weeks, wait 3, get bloods, and go from there into my super recomp.

 

[chelades]

Yes Thank you, that all makes sense knowing how everything in the human body is linked together, specially when it comes to glands and hormone productions.. I have always had a problem with mild depression as well, but its mostly seasonal. I have been desperately trying to get off my Thyroid med for years, I've done all sort of research on what triggers and damages the Thyroid Gland like dental X ray radiations, Mercury dental fillings, I have done all kinds of Natural remedies such as Complete Juice cleanses, Total body herbal Detox (liver, kidney, Colon, heavy metal detox.), Removed all the mercury fillings from my teeth, took large doses of Organic Iodine, etc. Though all this has helped me lower the dose, but did not entirely get my thyroid to start functioning on its own.
I am the kind of person that wont take any prescription meds. unless I absolutely have to. So you can see why I have been avoiding the TRT. But at this point I think I have to give a shot, try it out for a few months and see how my body reacts to it.

That's a great attitude to have. The natural way is always always always the best way wherever possible to do something. You don't want to do synthetic things unless absolutely necessary.

As you also said, it may even be worth a shot at some point. It's not for everyone, and although it's 99% great, there's still that 1% where it is not the answer. But if you've given it a shot and it doesn't work out, then you at least know for sure. And there's plenty of guys who go on and come off to try get their natural self going again.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Yes Thank you, that all makes sense knowing how everything in the human body is linked together, specially when it comes to glands and hormone productions.. I have always had a problem with mild depression as well, but its mostly seasonal. I have been desperately trying to get off my Thyroid med for years, I've done all sort of research on what triggers and damages the Thyroid Gland like dental X ray radiations, Mercury dental fillings, I have done all kinds of Natural remedies such as Complete Juice cleanses, Total body herbal Detox (liver, kidney, Colon, heavy metal detox.), Removed all the mercury fillings from my teeth, took large doses of Organic Iodine, etc. Though all this has helped me lower the dose, but did not entirely get my thyroid to start functioning on its own.
I am the kind of person that wont take any prescription meds. unless I absolutely have to. So you can see why I have been avoiding the TRT. But at this point I think I have to give a shot, try it out for a few months and see how my body reacts to it.

i love that bro... i am the same way... i try to avoid any prescription i can... sometimes we just have to realize that there are times where it is necessary... i make it a point to get the least of what they offer though when getting a prescription... for instance, i had two root canals yesterday and they offer vicodin, but i say that i only want motrin.. generally need a handful of these and the rest of the bottle just sits... i only use it when i absolutely need it and thats it... or if you have an infection, obviously you need the medication, but A LOT of things can be avoided... people just abuse it and so do doctors... you have to remember that low testosterone can lead to many healthy problems and its quite dangerous so you really need to consider fixing it bro... which it sounds as though you are

 

[Takmard]

Yes, absolutely I agree 100%. Thanks for all your input and feedback, I must admit it is hard to find people like yourself who are helping people rather than just trying to profit from them. Keep up the great work brother and God bless you. I just got my pre-cycle bloods done and I am going to start a new thread cause its going to be pretty long... hope you can take time to answer a few questions for me there. Thanks again

 

[jlaix0]

Yes, absolutely I agree 100%. Thanks for all your input and feedback, I must admit it is hard to find people like yourself who are helping people rather than just trying to profit from them. Keep up the great work brother and God bless you. I just got my pre-cycle bloods done and I am going to start a new thread cause its going to be pretty long... hope you can take time to answer a few questions for me there. Thanks again

Yes I must admit it is very hard to find people like Dylan and Rick.

On a side note, I don't want to mention his name for obvious reasons, but there is an "evil" guy on the internet, that I call the "anti-Dylan". I bump into him with a youtube recommended video (lol), and this guy is crazy:

-He's calling himself a doctor
-He made tons and tons videos about DNP, and promotes that shit (that can kill people)
-He's selling liquid caber ??????
-Seems that is lying on his videos
-May sell fake sarms
-.......

I mean how can you try to profit from people by promoting so much DNP ? Just crazy I can't believe it how you can play like that with people's life.

Fortunately they are people who care about your health.