Definitely shows that even with gear, it takes time. I always tell young lifters that it takes years to get quality gains. Guys always comment 'how do I get arms like you? Blah, blah, blah...' I tell them train harder than you want, eat, sleep, poop, then train some more ( lol, that and this forum). Nobody puts much thought into how long it took me, or how heavy I lift, yet alone how often I trained, prior to gear I still had 21" arms. This is not their idea of going hard in the gym lol. Everyone wants 'right now' versus gainzzz. Sure puffy baby muscles are fun to look at as they curl DBs the size of our door stoppers, but to be awed in the gym it takes year after year or bangin' the iron methodically. I personally love gear, it got me to where I wanted to be weight-wise, but I see that even enhanced we need patience to reach our goals. One day I'll figure out when I wanna stop getting bigger, but right now.... a maintainable 265 lbs. is sounding like the sweet spot.